Leonardo: If you are local to Dwyer and they will duplicate the rig that should be good. Is the current standing rig significantly damaged? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 6:06 PM Leonardo Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
John, Dave:
I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing).
I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape.
Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return.
Cheers,
Leonardo
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On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion.
I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements.
I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not.
My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was.
None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will
replace
all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
> > On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto: scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > Leonardo: > > Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one all > new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)? > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? > >> >
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