I got a new set last summer from Yager Sails in Spokane that I like. He has made a lot of sails for M17 - his web site even features an M-17! John M-17 #375 Sick Chicken Sent from my iPhone
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Genoa for Montgomery 17 (Gary.perser) 2. Re: sculling (was - Re: Oar Length for an M15) (John Schinnerer) 3. Re: Oar Length for an M15 (Edward Epifani) 4. Re: Oar Length for an M15 (John Schinnerer)
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:56:13 -0600 From: "Gary.perser" <gary.perser@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Genoa for Montgomery 17 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <97291D7D-0A7A-4D79-931B-DA821373F74A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
The original sails, Main & Roller furling 150, on my ‘05 M17 are by Elliott/Pattison in Newport Beach. The sails are still in service and the company is still in business.
On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all - I know that others have asked the question, but I can’t find the response in my email.
Who is a recommended sail maker for the Montgomery 17? I’ve ordered in the past from Hyde Sails, through Judy B, but she seems to be on sabbatical at the moment, as she doesn’t answer her email. My local sail maker (Banks Sails in Kemah, TX) is swamped, and can’t get sail cloth, so I need to try somewhere else.
There are lots of outfits online, but would like to go with someone tried and true.
I’m looking for a 135% genoa to accompany my current working jib. Should run me around $700 - 800.
Thanks, Ed
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:59:59 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: sculling (was - Re: Oar Length for an M15) To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <633d105b-327b-93a9-d9fd-73324f07284b@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
I collected some good links on sculling a couple years ago but they are dead now mostly. If anyone turns up good stuff searching please post here...
This device is very useful: https://duckworks.com/scullmatix/
I bought one and I have mounted an oarlock on the transom opposite the outboard side on my M17. I used one of these heavy duty nylon inexpensive oarlocks for testing purposes, unfortunately Duckworks says the angle mount bracket is no longer available: https://duckworks.com/seadog-nylon-oarlocks-sockets/
...so you'd have to get a metal one. But these are plenty sturdy at least for proof of concept. I got a sturdy wooden tamper handle from local hardware store for sculling handle side of the device.
It works, except that I need a longer oar for the scull, given the height of the M17 transom. I had some 6 ft oars so I used one just to test it out. That is at least a couple feet too short to work well, but enough to indicate that it would work if I had an 8 ft or 9 ft oar.
Won't go fast, but will move the boat for stuff like entering a glassy cove or in/out of becalmed dock or marina, etc.
See my next post for another option I use for that kind of situation.
cheers, John
On 2/28/21 2:15 PM, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats wrote: Pinterest has some excellent example of sculling oars.
Charlie
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On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Rimantas Aukstuolis <raukstuolis1@gmail.com> wrote:
I am fooling around with the concept of a sculling oar rigged on to my M-15 outboard bracket. My concern is what to do with massive oars when sailing. I have a canoe paddle, on to which I have attached, with adjustable metal straps, an equal length piece of oak handrail (as used on stairs.). I simply loosen the straps and pull out the handrail and I have about an 8' oar. I have yet to use it. This summer, I'll report on how it works. Rimas "Ray" Aukstuolis
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:27 PM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I would like to install oar locks on my M-15. Where do you buy them, and because I am a disaster at DYI, where would I get them installed in the Puget Sound area? Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: brad kurlancheek Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 9:52 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Oar Length for an M15
Hello all. Wondering if anyone's successfully used oars on their Monty 15. I have oarlocks installed on the coaming, flush with the coaming deck. I put a wood bench across the seats near the companionway and sit on it. I tried using 8 1/2' oars, and it was a no-go. Too short. Blades barely brushed the surface of the water. Am wondering if anyone's tried 9 1/2' oars with any success on their M15. Or 10 1/2'. The oar length calculators suggest something closer to 10 than 9. But if I can get away with 9 1/2', I will. Thank you.
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 23:12:30 +0000 From: Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Oar Length for an M15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: "bkurlancheek@gmail.com" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> Message-ID: <CO1PR10MB4771CDB47C916317BE3B909FB29B9@CO1PR10MB4771.nam prd10.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Duckworks in Port Townsend Wa has carbon fiber oar sleeves to construct or convert a pair of breakdown oars. They could probably find a boat repair person, the town is full of artisan/ boat crafters. I’m thinking aluminum shafts, perhaps carbon fiber, for me. Could make a break down yuloh. Modest goals for rowing work, as in calm no wind. Not going to save ones butt on a lee shore like a motor. Docking, etc, works. Ed M-15 Murre
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On Feb 28, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Rimantas Aukstuolis <raukstuolis1@gmail.com> wrote:
I am fooling around with the concept of a sculling oar rigged on to my M-15 outboard bracket. My concern is what to do with massive oars when sailing. I have a canoe paddle, on to which I have attached, with adjustable metal straps, an equal length piece of oak handrail (as used on stairs.). I simply loosen the straps and pull out the handrail and I have about an 8' oar. I have yet to use it. This summer, I'll report on how it works. Rimas "Ray" Aukstuolis
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:27 PM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I would like to install oar locks on my M-15. Where do you buy them, and because I am a disaster at DYI, where would I get them installed in the Puget Sound area? Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: brad kurlancheek Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 9:52 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Oar Length for an M15
Hello all. Wondering if anyone's successfully used oars on their Monty 15. I have oarlocks installed on the coaming, flush with the coaming deck. I put a wood bench across the seats near the companionway and sit on it. I tried using 8 1/2' oars, and it was a no-go. Too short. Blades barely brushed the surface of the water. Am wondering if anyone's tried 9 1/2' oars with any success on their M15. Or 10 1/2'. The oar length calculators suggest something closer to 10 than 9. But if I can get away with 9 1/2', I will. Thank you.
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 15:13:17 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Oar Length for an M15 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <b958e7c2-f661-9cae-f4cd-6ca2709462bf@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
There are 2-piece long oars available. Check river rafting suppliers. They are used for stowable spares in those situations. Carlisle is one major brand.
If you look up the M17 that was in the first Race to Alaska, he rigged full on rower's oars with outriggers off the side of the boat, and a sliding seat no less. Probably more than most of us would want to bother with...
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