I assume so. I have never seen one. Someone told me about it and I went to the web site to see how it works. Who ever has the "Ida-sail" (spelling?) rudder has a photo and I think the cleat is vertical. (Larry maybe?) steve --- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote: Steve, Could this cleat be mounted vertically, with a vertical load? The drawings aren't clear to me. Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve R. Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:38 AM Subject: M17 Kick-up rudder The cleat has a mounting base that is spring loaded. The base swings up when sufficent force is applied. http://www.clamcleat.com/speciali.htm Model CL257 Personally, I have never had a problem steering when my M-15 rudder kicked up. I will quote which item I am responding to this time, so as not to cause further confusion! steve Steve R. M-15 #119 ******************************** Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: Offhand, I can't imagine how a line through a cleat is going to release on it's own, but I'm sure it must. I'd like to see how that works. The concept of a line releasing from a cleat on it's own just doesn't seem right.