Thanks guys…I think it’s all good advice and stories. I do have some great sails made my HP (with luff tape) and I suppose I should learn how to remove the 150 and install the 135 and try that one out even before I go any further. I guess in my mind I was used to running something large in the morning and then being able to switch to a 90 later in the day. I’ll learn my CDI better and see what I can do with it. Oh and I never really race but I’m always trying to keep good speed and to some degree, I’m "racing" myself.
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Today's Topics:
1. second stay with roller furler (Jared Prindle) 2. second stay with roller furler (Thomas Buzzi) 3. Re: second stay with roller furler (Larry Yake) 4. Re: second stay with roller furler (swwheatley@comcast.net)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 20:15:42 -0700 From: Jared Prindle <gojopo@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: second stay with roller furler Message-ID: <9E093774-CF3D-48F1-85E2-98FB5E05E8D1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hi all and thanks for the support so far. I?ll probably have many questions for many months to come. I have a CDI on my M17 with what I believe is a 150% headsail. It?s in really good condition and it feels like it?s holding decent shaped if furled just a little bit. But?what do all of you CDI style furler owners do when you want to put on something smaller upfront? I do have a 135% sail built for the furler as well but changing the sail on the furler seems like a 30 min job and not something to do while sailing?just guessing on that. Thoughts? Anyone installing an inner stay for something smaller? I assume a 95% or so is made with the same ?I? dimension so that doesn?t seem like a doable plan. When the wind pipes up beyond a reasonable furl/reef and you still want some good shape in your headsail, what are you CDI owners doing?
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 22:42:21 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: second stay with roller furler Message-ID: <CA+TbpAWdO+9F6gSuWBhHA+zW1LFun32SmN7hnjG2ds6GtRx+2Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
These are FUN boats to fool around with. I was considering an inner stay and then be able to use a stasail and a yankee with the main. Then I realized, with such a tiny "J" measurement where is all that stuff going to fit on the foredeck? A 17 foot boat on a 15' foot waterline. Displacing, what 1600#'s? I am guilty as anybody of "sailboatitice". Imflammation and swelling of how big I think my 17' Monty is. When redoing mine I wanted to get rid of the "bleach bottle" look inside so I installed "beadboard" paneling. I was concerned that once I cut holes in the athwartship bulkhead by the mast step that bulkhead would buckle. I did see that happen on a friend's Monty. So I installed a 3/4 inch plywood bulkhead attached to the existing one, which I then paneled. Because I had trouble with an older boat (and a larger one) running out of electricity I installed a series 27 battery in my Monty instead of the Series 24. When I saw that the hatchboards were what I thought too thin to take a boarding sea (like I was going to cross the Atlantic in my 17) I remade them out of very dense Mahogany 3/4 inch thick. Then added a five pound porthole in the top board so I could stay below and watch those boarding seas. I replaced a 20# stock mahogany rudder with a "bluewater" level kickup one by Ruddercraft ( a thing of beauty) which weighs 43 pounds. To make a long story interminable, when I finally launched the boat the boot stripe never again saw the light of day. The next time I informally race another boat I probably will end up jettisoning all the extra anchors, lifejackets, lines, whisker poles and an 11' "poling pole" to push myself off the sandbars I can no longer float over. Next project is to run all the lines from the mast around the main hatch (which I beefed up just in case a large person stepped on it) to another winch and various turning blocks and jam cleats to I won't have to make the LONG trek up to the mast to adjust any lines. Walter Mittey is my hero. I do get to read a lot of names on other boats' transoms too. These are fun boats to use though. When I recently paid a small fortune to Seabrook Marine Service to do a "proper" bottom job on my Monty it ended up looking like they let someone's child have at it with a swab mop. When I queried the manager about it he demurely said " I wouldn't take that racing". So who races anyway? I just load up my dream boat and imagine far flung sandy shores that will forever remain in my mind's eye only. Gee these are fun boats!!! Fair winds, Tom B, Monty 17, #258, "AS-IS"
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 08:14:44 -0700 From: Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: second stay with roller furler Message-ID: <CANjZbonYRigoMrYrgOsaojjDznz_Rsvusp9rMfexVpB3ZA0Mdg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Does your genoa have a luff tape to help take the fullness out of the sail as it is furled? I have a 150 on a CDI and I never change it out, but then I sail in the PNW where we have lighter winds most of the time than some areas of the country. With the luff tape it will keep a "decent" shape down to about a 90, but you wouldn't want to race with it. For cruising it's fine and I've sailed with it like that in 40 knot gusts.
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Jared Prindle <gojopo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all and thanks for the support so far. I?ll probably have many questions for many months to come. I have a CDI on my M17 with what I believe is a 150% headsail. It?s in really good condition and it feels like it?s holding decent shaped if furled just a little bit. But?what do all of you CDI style furler owners do when you want to put on something smaller upfront? I do have a 135% sail built for the furler as well but changing the sail on the furler seems like a 30 min job and not something to do while sailing?just guessing on that. Thoughts? Anyone installing an inner stay for something smaller? I assume a 95% or so is made with the same ?I? dimension so that doesn?t seem like a doable plan. When the wind pipes up beyond a reasonable furl/reef and you still want some good shape in your headsail, what are you CDI owners doing?
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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 13:14:29 -0400 From: <swwheatley@comcast.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: second stay with roller furler Message-ID: <00f501d3e3cb$60e6efd0$22b4cf70$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I would just convert back to hank-on sails before I started messing around with an inner forestay.
Have you used the 135 much? That is what most roller-furler owners end up with and if it was designed and built by someone who knows what they're doing (look for a padded luff and a raised clew) you might be pleasantly surprised with how versatile it is. Unless you do most of your sailing in light winds (say under 10 kts) you won't miss the 150 much and a 135 with a padded luff can furl down to the equivalent of about a 90 and still maintain decent sail shape, provided you also move the jib sheet lead blocks forward to maintain correct sail twist.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Jared Prindle Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:16 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: second stay with roller furler
Hi all and thanks for the support so far. I?ll probably have many questions for many months to come. I have a CDI on my M17 with what I believe is a 150% headsail. It?s in really good condition and it feels like it?s holding decent shaped if furled just a little bit. But?what do all of you CDI style furler owners do when you want to put on something smaller upfront? I do have a 135% sail built for the furler as well but changing the sail on the furler seems like a 30 min job and not something to do while sailing?just guessing on that. Thoughts? Anyone installing an inner stay for something smaller? I assume a 95% or so is made with the same ?I? dimension so that doesn?t seem like a doable plan. When the wind pipes up beyond a reasonable furl/reef and you still want some good shape in your headsail, what are you CDI owners doing?
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