Norm, You do have to go forward to tie off the forward reefing line - there are two cringles on my jib. If you anticipate, you can attach a line to the cringle that will be the tack when reefed, run it through a block at the stem head and handle that line from the cockpit. I think the aft cringle line can be tied while standing in the cockpit, and you can handle the jib sheet transfer from the cockpit. I had nylon sister clips on my jib sheet, both jib clews (regular and reefed) and storm jib, so I could clip the sheet wherever I needed it. That worked great for a couple of years, then, in a blow but while still using the full jib, they opened up and let the jib clew loose. They didn't break, but stretched enough to release. Great in theory, but the clips need to be stronger. The solution may be the system Tod and Doug Kelch use. I haven't tried it yet, so I won't try to describe it. But it looks simple yet effective. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Norm Lane Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Second Reef I've never had a reef point in a jib before and don't really 'get' it. I mean, I can see how being able to reef it down from the cockpit would be great but don't you still have to go forward to rig the sheets and tie in the reef points? How do people actually use this? I plan to sail in San Francisco bay sometimes and may actually want to use it. Norm
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+nl=sagatech.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+nl=sagatech.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of LUDLOWD2@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 04:59 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Second Reef
George: I had the second reef installed on my relatively new EP main. I looked at a few photos of M-15's with a second reef and pointed to a spot and told the sail maker, put it here. It is fairly deep, just a little less than the distance that the first reef is from the boom to the second reef. In all honesty, i've never used the second reef but there it is, rigged and ready. My thoughts are that if I need the second reef, I'm heading to safe harbor in a hurry, probably with the jib down, the hatch covers closed, my lifejacket and safety harness on, and my trusty 2HP Honda running. I've thought about getting a "storm jib" say 70% but heck, I'm not going to the bow in those conditions to put it up. and I'm not going to start out sailing in a 15 ft boat in those conditions with the storm jib on. Most likely, I'll get caught one day with the 150 up when a summer t'storm catches me. Then I'll use the jib downhaul, and maybe put the second reef in. I' ran the 20 + mile Dauphin Island Race last year in 20+ knots with the first reef and the 110 and found I needed the power to hammer through the waves. I feathered the main in the gusts and she stayed on her feet. I have tried "jib only" but never in 25+ knot winds. I'm not sure why you need the second reef but if it's for insurance, consider how the boat is going to handle in those conditions and whether you will fly your jib or not. Fair winds, good company, and have a nice sail. Don _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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