Tom, the tall rig may have a babystay per Jerry M., but some DOLT in Phoenix put fore and aft lowers on his boat, only to decide that it was a probable waste of resources! I do not know of anyone else that was dumb enuf to try that with their perfectly good boat! Want to buy 4) 1/2" round holes for your M-17 deck? I got some available! One set of 'lowers' has been shortend by the Maestro, and the rig will be restored to 'As Designed' single lower rig configuration next time out. I got 8 more inches on its way! Can't wait! GO M-17 # 316a LB/GF! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)