My concern would be ripping a gudgeon off, something worse than just banging up the wood. I will be looking at Tom's M-17 rudder for sale, and ways used on other designs to make a kickup out of mine, which is solid wood one piece, and only two pintles/gudgeons, not three. The original rudder as far as I know, but no way to be sure...? There's pretty clearly never been a middle gudgeon on the hull, no sign of anything ever mounted there. The Ruddercraft units look lovely, but very expensive vs. my budget priorities, and, I've got a perfectly good tiller already. I wrote to ask them if they sell without tiller. cheers, John S. On 01/09/2016 01:40 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
I can report from experience that the stock wooden rudder can be DYI repaired after hitting a rock that was closer to the surface than I estimated, but I think Tom J's advice for a kick up rudder is good. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Tom Jenkins Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Introduction (Corin)
John,
I love my beautiful wooden rudder, but the first thing I did to my 17 was buy a Ruddercraft kick-up rudder with a removable bracket to carry the mast for travel. Solves several practical issues and eliminates the “oops” should you hit a submerged object with that stock blade. Your fixed rudder would make a great wall hanging if you have the space.
Best, Tom J
On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
When launching, you are pushing the boat backwards into the water. So if you did have the rudder on (I'm not advocating it... ;-), unless you tie the tiller off, it will swing hard to one side or the other once the blade hits the water going backwards - bang! And then it will be sideways against the water as you continue to back in.
First thing I noticed with my M17 was how deep the rudder is. Deeper than the keel with board up. So even besides the above, I would not likely launch with the rudder on unless it was a ramp/dock I knew for sure was plenty deep when the trailer was just deep enough to get the boat off.
cheers, John S.
On 01/09/2016 10:26 AM, Jazzy wrote:
Thank you all for the warm welcome! I'm looking forward to that boat show and meeting you all there. Hopefully the work sched cooperates...
Couple of questions....do you guys trailer in with the rudder attached? Shallow ramp...low tide?
Do you guys use whisker poles? El Nino didn't come with one.
More questions to come as I sort through...thank you!
Ivan On Jan 7, 2016 11:43 AM, "Lenny Corin" <lpcorin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jazzy,
I'm on Whidbey and I know of another M-17 sailor (Betsy) over across the Great Divide in Port Townsend. Enjoy your M-17. If you find yourself in the area, stop on by. My 17 is currently resting by the side of my garage. I'll probably have it in the Oak Harbor Marina for a month this summer. Do check out the Wooden Boat Festival and Pocket Yacht Palooza in PT. Good opportunity to meet other small boat enthusiasts and pepper Dave Scobie with questions and receive his sage (!) advise.
Lenny, 'Orli'
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 08:31:46 -0800 From: Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Introduction... Message-ID: <CAHJ-33F2tiSPrzWsQcqEDdvTAU6eHLWUQLxRDRfv_YU7-_H7xQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hello All! I recently purchased an M17, and of course have been lurking and learning all along. The boat was originally "Selkie" and the next owner re-named it "El Nino". My name is Ivan and I currently live in Gig Harbor, WA and am fairly new to sailing. I bought an older Snipe two summers ago and taught myself how to sail on that. I would love to get in contact with anyone nearby that is knowledgeable regarding M17 or 15s to perhaps come by for a looksie.
I look forward to getting to know you all better, and now for the best part of introduction posts.... PICS! Note "Selkie's" custom dodger as featured in Small Craft Advisor #64, 2010..... SWEET!
http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/El%20Nino.jpg http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/elnino.jpg
-= Ivan
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:13:15 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Introduction... Message-ID: <CA+TbpAVpO1uO6ugVf2Nzshi-SAqyKGQaTD-2Q-Y9qOTfu_W4EQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hey Ivan, Welcome to the group. Glad you found a 17. They are great boats! I have owned two over the years. Still have the second one. I often wondered what a main hatch dodger would configure like. Thanks for the pics. My home port is a driveway in Rockport, Tx. Good luck with your boat. fair winds, Tom B < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All! I recently purchased an M17, and of course have been lurking and
learning
all along. The boat was originally "Selkie" and the next owner re-named it "El Nino". My name is Ivan and I currently live in Gig Harbor, WA and am fairly new to sailing. I bought an older Snipe two summers ago and taught myself how to sail on that. I would love to get in contact with anyone nearby that is knowledgeable regarding M17 or 15s to perhaps come by for a looksie.
I look forward to getting to know you all better, and now for the best part of introduction posts.... PICS! Note "Selkie's" custom dodger as featured in Small Craft Advisor #64, 2010..... SWEET!
http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/El%20Nino.jpg http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/elnino.jpg
-= Ivan
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:58:55 -0800 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Introduction... Message-ID: <4914FA9517AF48259527A7C899E37396@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original
Ivan, There are several of us M boat sailors in the area, my M-15 is on South Puget Sound in Olympia. Have you sailed before ? If you are new to the sport, sailing lessons will be a good investment. Island Sailing Club with boats in Olympia does a good job on that, but I will bet there are clubs in Gig Harbor that offer lessons. Pocket Yacht Palooza in Port Townsend in June is also a good place to connect with other sailors. Dave Scobie, the guy who now builds Sage boats based on the Montgomery boats and Jerry Montgomery's consultation usually attends Pocket Yacht Palooza and is worth going to talk with and to pick his brain. Good Sailing, enjoy the waters and many inlets of Puget Sound Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 8:31 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Introduction...
Hello All! I recently purchased an M17, and of course have been lurking and learning all along. The boat was originally "Selkie" and the next owner re-named it "El Nino". My name is Ivan and I currently live in Gig Harbor, WA and am fairly new to sailing. I bought an older Snipe two summers ago and taught myself how to sail on that. I would love to get in contact with anyone nearby that is knowledgeable regarding M17 or 15s to perhaps come by for a looksie.
I look forward to getting to know you all better, and now for the best part of introduction posts.... PICS! Note "Selkie's" custom dodger as featured in Small Craft Advisor #64, 2010..... SWEET!
http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/El%20Nino.jpg http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/elnino.jpg
-= Ivan
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