Jerry numbered his boat sequentially through the years so it is the 38 boat built. Now, there is some inconsistencies. The Montgomery 23s don't really have a numbering system that is sequential. The 15s, 17s and dinks were numbered in their own sequences. There are some gaps, and some boats with the same sail number. :: Dave Scobie On Sep 24, 2015 12:22 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks Skip! I figured there was a code to the number and guessed the Boat Model part but not the rest. So it's #38 overall - "from the beginning" that is - or #38 "for that year" (1974) as you wrote?
thanks, John S.
On 09/24/2015 11:11 AM, Skip Campion via montgomery_boats wrote:
John,
Based on your HIN - MMP170380674; your boat was built in June of '74 and was boat #38. Here's the breakdown.........
MMP - Montgomery Marine Products 17 - Boat Model - M-15; M-17; M-23 and various dinks 038 - Sequence number for that year 06 - Month of manufacture 74 - Year of manufacture
Happy Sailing!!!
Skip C.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2015 1:51 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudders, and boat vintage
Thanks for this...fact is, my rudder is a plain fixed rudder. Pintles bolted onto the LE of the rudder, period. No sign of any previous sliding or other movable installation.
Size and shape seem to be correct and it sure turns her well and swiftly. Just need to do something to protect it in shallow water. Thanks Bill T for the tip re JO Woodworks.
Were some M17's sold with a plain fixed rudder?
I think mine may be the first one built in '74. I got two mains - a newer North Sails which was on the boom, and an older main (original?) which has a crude "M" on it (but no "17") and the number "8" - from Jerry's post a while back about production notes he found, there were 7
built in '73 and then 40-some in '74 so #8 would be the first in '74.
My HIN is MMP170380674 if that enables anyone to tell me any more about the exact vintage.
cheers, John S.
On 09/24/2015 08:08 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
John:
One-piece rudder is not supposed to be fixed. The gudgeons
(fittings
attached to rudder) are supposed to slide up and down on the
pintle
rod (rod held in fittings attached to transom). To be frank, it is
a
kludgy set-up, but I am too cheap to buy a new rudder. After 2 years of
fine tuning and a new pintle rod, I still cannot get mine to slide
smoothly.
Next step will be drilling the gudgeon holes a smidge
larger. Hopefully that
will do it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tosh"
<billt@eastex.net> To: "For and about Montgomery
Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday,
September 24, 2015
9:49:56 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Splashed Pajarita
today!
John,,,, For
your rudder fix, try JOWoodworks.com and talk to John
Owens..... does
excellent work and price is right, and while he does
other stuff as
handrails, hatch covers, etc etc, Rudders and daggers
are his main
forte.
Bill Tosh www.tcboats.com
-----Original Message----- From:
montgomery_boats
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On
Behalf Of
Conbert Benneck Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 8:19 AM To:
For
and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Splashed Pajarita
today!
On 9/24/2015 1:35 AM, John Schinnerer wrote:
Congratulations
John on your first sail with your new M17.
Half the fun of owning a boat
is fixing things, or making improvement
in its intended use.
Your
description of what you found in your first sail, sound mostly
minor, and a
quick fix for someone with your know-how and
capabilities.
"What a
sweet boat" is a great description.
Have fun; go sailing; and don't forget
to take your tool box
along....!
Connie
Took my inaugural sail on
Pajarita, my recently purchased '74 M17,
today. My sailing pal Keith (Ranger
20 "Stoke" - yep, he's also a
surfer) was along to help rig and test her
out. What a sweet boat!
Was at Lake of the Woods, in the highlands/mountains
a bit east of
Medford/Ashland area in southern Oregon. A mild and sunny
late
summer day with light to medium winds and an occasional fresh
breeze, the latter pushing us up to near hull speed with the small
jib and
full main.
Some interesting discoveries and other comments:
Boat
came with extra mainsheet type line and block rig for solo
mast raising, and
with mainsail and sheet/blocks already on boom
with sail cover on. So I
rigged it up as it was. Then I was
wondering why in only a moderate breeze
the main sheet took so much
muscle to sheet in, didn't seem right compared
to any other boat
I've sailed. Took a closer look and noticed the block
setup was
only 3 turns. Took a second look at the alleged mast raising
block/line and it is 4 turns, and less bulky to boot. I can only
assume the
former owner was sailing with the mast raising tackle,
and had the mainsheet
tackle in the mast raising gear bucket...!
The main and jib halyards are
nice color coded line - green
halyard for main/stbd, red for jib/port - but
they're in the
opposite sheaves they should be at masthead! Not
tangled...just
need to be pulled and swapped port/stbd (they are even color
coded,
). Worked around it by just cleating the halyards on the "wrong"
sides for now.
The boat sat with the CB line apparently wrapped quite
tight
around the CB winch for quite a while (boat was stored for ~1.5
years before I bought it). The line against the winch appears to
have gotten
compacted and smoothed and slips quite a bit while
trying to raise the CB,
even with 4 turns on the winch. This is
exacerbated by use of a poorly
placed and nearly too small jam
cleat with too tight of fairlead to secure
the CB line, and a
rather flimsy plastic winch handle that is also too long
to turn
360 deg. without hitting CB trunk, and a CB winch that doesn't
seem
to have the function of letting the handle ratchet back and forth
as it turns the winch.
The flex in the transom at the (nice stainless,
adjustable,
spring-loaded) motor mount with the Tohatsu 6hp SailPro is not
IMO
sustainable. Just sitting still with the motor raised, even, if
the
boat bounces in a little chop. Flex, flex, flex.... Not to
mention actually
motoring! There is a backing plate inside the
hull, but a poorly done one.
The flex/stress on the transom due to
motor weight is more a concern for me
than trim issues due to the
weight.
Also, at something less than
half throttle I think we were pretty
much at hull speed (with CB down no
less). Cranking up the throttle
led to stern settling and even more
flex/stress on the
mount/transom. So that motor seems like significant
overkill for an
M17. I could mount it direct in cutout but then there's
the
rudder/motor/prop interference issue. Just read a rave review of
the
motor as being more than adequate for a 3000 lb. boat sailing
in the San
Juans' current-laden waters.
The boat came with the mahogany one piece
rudder, the original I
assume. What a long blade! I couldn't even put the
rudder on at
the dock, too shallow, even though plenty of depth for the
keel
with CB up. Anyone know what the draft is on the one-piece rudder?
Anyhow I need to do something about that long fixed rudder, and
whatever I
do has to cost way less than the $600+ Ruddercraft and
the like. Anyone have
plans/diagrams/photos for a DIY kick-up
conversion?
All for now.
Love the boat so far! She's in a short-term slip at
the small marina and
will see some more sailing Saturday, maybe
Friday also, maybe even
Sunday.
cheers, John S.
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