There was a wonderful article about it in MAIB, I think within the past year. It would take digging to find it again. For the truly addicted small craft junky, there's no better publication. You can get a fix from like minded sailors every couple of weeks.... Steve P-15 In a message dated 5/29/2004 12:40:51 PM Central Standard Time, chonshell@ia4u.net writes: Steve, What source quotes "Butcher Boy" as the inspiration for the M17? Thanks, Craig, chonshell@ia4u.net ---------------------------- "Butcher Boy" a legendary 19th century workboat and said to be inspiration for Hess's Montgomery 17, was often rowed in calm weather. It was used to service ships by selling fresh groceries when they came into port, and was fast enough to win many races in yachting's infancy. Steve Tyree P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"