Hey Doug Kelch, I'm glad Jared brought this up as I am learning some things. Doug, if you can sometime, please post some pics of your cam cleat mod. It would be great if sometime we could get all of the great modifications people have done to their M boats and put the pics on one of the web sites. You see pics of boats and some things like dodgers and the "kitchen in a box"...all great, but I think everyone would really benefit from how people have improved their M boats rigging...how they ran their lines aft...pictures of jib reefing modifications, etc. I am surprised about your trouble with the aluminum V cleats Doug...maybe the ones I put on were an alloy composite...they have really worked out well, but they are a little much for my 6yr old to manage, so maybe a cam cleat would be easier for everyone. If people have rigging pics and other modifications...let's see them. Thanks to all, Michael Ray Molly M M 17 # 383 SF Bay