I told my wife Kathleen about the idea and asked what the pricing would be like. Basically, she can place the orders as a retailer to her connection, which is a wholesaler. The wholesaler would produce the tee-shirts in batches, as is done for local sports events like running races, bike rides, etc. We think we could provide the T's for $15 apeice, shipping and handling included, with a little money left over for beer! Mainly it would be cool to help and to participate in an historic effort. I think it's important to contact Bob Eeg and Jerry Montgomery as a matter of proprioty, at the least. If any of the artwork used is copyrighted, then of course it becomes a legal obligation to get permission. It's also possible that Bob will want compensation for the shirts, and may want control over the design. I think a member of your group would be the most appropriate to contact him, since I am Montyless :( K's biggest concern was about revisions to the design. You can spend gobs of time coming up with something in an effort to make the powers that be happy. The lines drawings and logos sound like great places to start. If we stay focused on keeping it fun and productive, I believe everyone will win-and win/win is the only way to do anything, in my book. Cheers Steve Tyree P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" idcllc@aol.com 615-286-2716 In a message dated 2/22/2004 10:40:19 PM Central Standard Time, gordonallgrove@mindspring.com writes: I used to do that type of thing- making sketches into "photo ready" art for stencils, sublimation (polo shirts too) etc. I used to create logo artwork for Businesses (when they knew what they wanted). One logo started at 11x17 and still worked shrunken down to fit on the top end of a pen (car on a hoist with four mechanics working on it). The question is what does the MSOG 'want'. Has anyone heard from Montgomery yet (Bob)?? So we're not 're-inventing' something that already exists? The Snipes & some other sailboats groups have T-Shirts and polos of all sizes. The Silk Screen shop connection sounds great!! Otherwise the least expensive is usually a line drawing (one color). They even make stuff today that we can print from a photo printer then iron onto a shirt such as a color photo of a Monty under full sail or line drawing(s) of Montys (different sizes like 15, 17, & 23's for the different folks?). that's my .o2 cents Gordon Coba'