lou: all my readings and talkings show that if there is a customer concern that ida sailor / rudder craft ( http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/default.php ) quickly and correctly solved/fixed the rudder. all posts i've read and people i talked to said at no additional cost. as the ida sailor rudder is synthetic it is important to lay the rudder on a flat surface when storing (not propped up it's end like you can do with the solid wood rudders). the rudder can bend if stored incorrectly. the bend will come out but involves laying the rudder flat with some weight applied on a warm day. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Louis Remmers <louremmers@yahoo.com> wrote: Thank you so much for responding. Do you have any idea about durability for a M 17 kick up rudder from this company? I was in a way dreading making a kick up rudder but this solution appears to be well worth the expence. I want to get the 17 ready by the first weekend in May as there is a get together at Cedar Key near the bend in Florida ( just above Tampa) . Thanks Lou