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Buying Sails for the M-17
by LynneilTS＠aol.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Any ideas where we can purchase a new or good used mainsail? We have a 1974 with the original sail. (It's tired, to say the least!) Any leads / advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: M_Boats: Buying Sails for the M-17
by AirEvacLen＠aol.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

In a message dated 4/10/02 7:12:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time, LynneilTS(a)aol.com writes: > Any ideas where we can purchase a new or good used mainsail? We have a 1974 I replaced the main on my 17 with one from the Sail Warehouse.........You can find their ad in Sail magazine.........I was very pleased with the new sail.........and would do business with them again.. Lenny M-23#003 Sea Horse

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Re: M_Boats: Mast-up cover
by Conbert H Benneck 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Bill, Never have had any experience with mud wasps, but for what it's worth, a full boat cover makes a wonderful party room on a rainy day in the harbor. I recall many a rainy Sunday spend passing a bottle of American red wine (bourbon) around among my club mates, to their enjoyment and amazement that American red wine tasted so good! You don't have to be out sailing to have a good time in a sail boat! Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: Mast-up cover
by Conbert H Benneck 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Hi Bill, Way back when, in Germany about '58, I had a German racing centerboarder with small cabin - all mahogany- like a floating grand piano. It had a full - mast up - boat cover, which was very nice. It was a bit of a chore to undo all the twist lock fasteners, and untie this and that, but when it was folded up and out of the way, you had an absolutely clean boat. No bird dropping; no dust or other dirt. I would assume that it won't be cheap, but once you have it, you'll find it a big plus. ---------- Another thing that this boat had, which I've never seen on this side of the Atlantic was a wishbone shaped tiller. This allowed you to hold the tiller comfortably and conveniently while hiking out on the rail on either tack. It was also equipped with a side board motor. This motor mounted to an aluminum plate located about where an M17 would have a winch, on the port side of the cockpit. The motor was rigidly fastened to the plate. >From the aft end of the motor you had a prop shaft, about 3 feet long, with the propeller on the end, that angled into the water. There was a coupling so that you could easily remove the shaft when you wanted to stow the motor. A neat little engine for pushing you along in a flat calm. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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RE: M_Boats: Great Lakes water levels
by stevemc35＠attbi.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

wahoooo! Thanks Bill! I guess my dire mood with regard to apparent Lake Michigan water levels was unwarranted--I didn't realize there was such a large yearly fluctuation. Right NOW the level appears very low. Craig -- where on Lake Michigan do you sail? (I can't find you in the MSOG owners list.) -- Steve McClellan 1981 M15 #152 Chicago Area > An article in the May issue of Soundings reports that predicted summer > levels will be above July 2001 by the following amounts: > Superior - even > Huron & Michigan +9 inches > St. Clair +4 inches > Erie +7 inches > Ontario +6 inches > > Bill Riker > M-15 #184 > Storm Petrel

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Re: M_Boats: New Sails for 15" Montgomery
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

In a message dated 4/9/02 5:31:13 PM, snfl(a)earthlink.net writes: << Sure appreciate any info you could give me on this, because I have a meeting with the sailmaker on Apr 15. In advance, thanks for your help. Harvey (Mike) and Shirley >> Harvey (Mike)/Shirley, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I have a 1991 M15 with virtually new condition original sails. The bad news is that I won't be able to give you measurements until 4/23 or thereafter. Do you still have your original sails? Even if they are blown out, a good sailmaker should be able to measure/use them as a pattern. There are advantages to taking your old sails in beyond mere sq. ft. measurements. If your boat is like mine, you probably have reef cringles/points in both main and jib. You will want to make sure that these measurements get transferred to the new sails (especially in the case of the main, as the reefing hardware on the boom may not work properly if the size of the reef(s)/locations of the cringles are altered significantly). Batten size and location can also be more easily determined. I would be happy to provide you with measurements when I am able. By the way, I added a second reef to my main, and had a storm jib made. These both come in handy on San Francisco Bay, where 30+ knots are often a daily occurrence during the spring and summer months. Also, depending on how you use your boat, you might want to consider switching to slugs in lieu of the stock luff bolt rope, and add a topping lift while you are at it. Certainly not a necessity for day sailing, but they make life a whole lot easier. Have your sailmaker look carefully at the relationship between the slugs and the reefing. Lacing is one way around having to remove the slug stop each time you reef/shake out. Good luck! Scott Grometer M15 #478 "bebe"

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Re: M_Boats: Re:Unstayed Mast / Seaward Fox
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

I believe the owner of 'Seaward Fox" was working with Lars Bergstrom in Sarasota Florida. I think they had an aluminum and a carbon spar testing for the boat. Lars is no longer with us, but the company may have some info or materials. The name of the company was Bergstrom- Ridder, I think? If interested I can have my father-in-law contact them. Gary O M-17 # 316A C-21 Arizona Foothills 602 943-7252 Office 602 703-7245 Mobile 800 528-8962 Toll Free www.GaryOberbeck.com

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Great Lakes water levels
by stevemc35＠attbi.com 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Well I just went down and looked at the Evanston, IL boat launch ramp over the weekend - the only one nearby my house and the one for which I've ALREADY forked over $300+ for my season pass. How demorilizing: the water levels seem even lower this year than last. They are all prepared to dredge it out and have the heavy equipment there and all, but right at the moment it doesn't look good for getting on the water any time soon. Certainly not in April, I'm guessing. Will the Great Lakes water levels keep dropping forever? They are already close to two feet below average and a foot below chart datum. Anybody else on the Great Lakes having a problem with this? -- Steve McClellan 1981 M15 #152 stevemc35(a)attbi.com

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Perimeter Trip Update 1
by Saltm17＠aol.com 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

I've been doing some work on the trailer to get it ready for the trip around the United States. It is the original trailer (Trailright) and, other than washing it down after launching and retreiving from salt water, it has suffered from benign neglect for 19 years. There was a deep rust spot on the tongue, and while trying to grind it off, it opened to a big hole. I had the tongue replaced and made 3 feet longer. The winch post was replaced and (after seeing it done on other M-sailboats) the top of the post was raised and the winch was re-located under it to avoid the cable cutting the rubber snubber on retreival.The rest of the trailer had a fair amount of rust but nothing deep and that is a testiment to the quality of the trailer made comepletely out of channel iron. To get it sandblasted would have cost $250, so I bought a Craftman grinder and went to work. After some dirty work grinding, I primed and painted the trailer completely. The leafsprings showed some flaking rust, and while the trailer shop said it wasn't extensive enough to be concerned about, the thought of trailering into Mexico on rusted springs had me worrying. The price per spring was only $28, so I am having them replaced, and since the fenders were deeply pitted and even rusted thru in some small areas, they will be replaced at the same time. All the wiring on the trailer was replaced, and since all the light problems I've encountered were associated with poor ground contacts on the trailer, I ran a dedicated ground wire to the lights. The wiring on the truck was definitely after market, and was the second most common trailer light proble. The circular connector was replaced with a flat four connecter - as was the trailer. Then came the part that I thought would be a big problem: the bearings. Although the bearings came with a bearing buddy system, and I religously keep them full, the bearings were never actually checked. After 19 years, and a lot of miles, I was wondering what we would find when my buddy showed me how to check them. Surprisingly, there wasn't a speck of rust or pitting on the bearings or the rear seals. We only had to replace the grease, repackthe bearings and re-install them. Both rear seals were damaged when we pushed them out, and we tried to replace them. I also wanted a spare set of bearings to take with me just in case. Finding the seals and bearings proved difficult. The bearing numbers could not be found in any cross check catalog, and the seals didn't have any number on them at all; in fact they were metal while all the newer models have a rubber outside ring. Finally a fellow at Car Zone took this on as a quest, and using the inside diameter and outside diameter measurments we had taken, finally came up not only with the bearings but the seal also. For those with an older M17 trailright trailer here are the part numbers: Smaller bearing Timken Set 14 Bearing: Timken # KL44643 71 Outer ring: Timken # KL44610 71 Larger bearing Timken Set 17 Bearing: Timken # L 68149 Outer ring : Timken # L68111 + Rear Seal NAPA 16667 Now it's time for work on the truck and the sailboat. It's only 6 weeks until the start and there's still lots to do, but I managed to do some sailing last weekend. It was a beautiful day, sunny and warm, with winds about 10K out of the southeast and Miss T sailed gracefully and fast. John Edwards Miss T M17 # 372 1983

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M15 trailer-ready dimensions?
by Mike Frederick 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Could someone please tell me the length, width, and height of an M15 on its trailer with the mast secured and ready for towing? Thanks.

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