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fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Centerboard pendant
by Jon Barber 26 Aug '23

26 Aug '23

Water spurts out the pendant hole on my boat, when slogging to windward. Does anyone else have this problem? Sometimes water shoots across the cabin, making quite a mess. I've tried plugging the hole, to some success. Has anyone made a slot gasket for the board at the bottom of the keel? Maybe some vinyl strips to keep the water from surging up the slot? Any thoughts are appreciated. Monty17 Ol'44 On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 12:38 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Center board pennant (Bob Eeg) > 2. Re: Center board pennant (Dave Scobie) > 3. Re: Center board pennant (Douglas Vogel) > 4. Re: Center board pennant (Bob Eeg) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:20:08 +0000 > From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Center board pennant > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BYAPR14MB2520DE7A2F35FB32CE9A1265B71DA(a)BYAPR14MB2520.nam > prd14.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I assume it’s wire cable.? Where do you live.? > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 11:05 AM, Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Good morning sailers, > > > > Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery 17 > # 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. > > > > Thanks, > > Doug Vogel > > > > C:307-730-2971 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:22:33 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Center board pennant > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA62KUssYNeUxeOh6UOsUWHsy0Swtz=zi2j8a65V_= > nzuw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Doug: > > Something else, IMO, going on of replacing that often. Where is line > wearing? > > The line on my old M17 is 15 or so years old. Was looking fine when > dropped board in early '19 so only old knot cut off and new bowline tied. > > Challenge with a grommet is greater chance of jamming in and damage to the > trunk. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:34 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Is there any kind of grommet I could install to minimize chafe ? This > is > > my second pennant replacement in 8 years. > > Thanks Dave. > > Doug > > > > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > For the cast iron board boats all it is is a 5/16" double braid line. > > The > > > centerboard end remove about 6-8" of the core tie a small bowline to > the > > > board. > > > > > > For the M15-centerboard boats the line is also 5/16", still remove the > > core > > > but instead tie a 8-knot after running the line to the centerboard. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M6'8" #650 > > > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:05 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Good morning sailers, > > >> > > >> Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery > > 17 # > > >> 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Doug Vogel > > >> > > >> C:307-730-2971 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:33:29 -0600 > From: Douglas Vogel <shadowmtlighting(a)icloud.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Center board pennant > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <EAE59473-AB6B-4A96-A862-A048908D6C73(a)icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Dave, > Right at the trunk hole. I think my sailing partner may have left it > slack . At the buoy, the centerboard does move and make some noise. I > usually try to lift the centerboard up 1 inch and winch it off to keep > wear and tear off the pin. > Thanks for your advice . As usual … > Doug > > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Doug: > > > > Something else, IMO, going on of replacing that often. Where is line > > wearing? > > > > The line on my old M17 is 15 or so years old. Was looking fine when > > dropped board in early '19 so only old knot cut off and new bowline tied. > > > > Challenge with a grommet is greater chance of jamming in and damage to > the > > trunk. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/:: former > owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:34 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > >> Is there any kind of grommet I could install to minimize chafe ? This > is > >> my second pennant replacement in 8 years. > >> Thanks Dave. > >> Doug > >> > >>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> For the cast iron board boats all it is is a 5/16" double braid line. > >> The > >>> centerboard end remove about 6-8" of the core tie a small bowline to > the > >>> board. > >>> > >>> For the M15-centerboard boats the line is also 5/16", still remove the > >> core > >>> but instead tie a 8-knot after running the line to the centerboard. > >>> > >>> :: Dave Scobie > >>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > >>> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:05 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Good morning sailers, > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery > >> 17 # > >>>> 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Doug Vogel > >>>> > >>>> C:307-730-2971 > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:37:50 +0000 > From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Center board pennant > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BYAPR14MB2520E2FD9FE87F0BF3E8229EB71DA(a)BYAPR14MB2520.nam > prd14.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > $145 for a piece of $6 line seems excessive. West marine must be joking. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > Right at the trunk hole. I think my sailing partner may have left it > slack . At the buoy, the centerboard does move and make some noise. I > usually try to lift the centerboard up 1 inch and winch it off to keep > wear and tear off the pin. > > Thanks for your advice . As usual … > > Doug > > > >> On Aug 24, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Doug: > >> > >> Something else, IMO, going on of replacing that often. Where is line > >> wearing? > >> > >> The line on my old M17 is 15 or so years old. Was looking fine when > >> dropped board in early '19 so only old knot cut off and new bowline > tied. > >> > >> Challenge with a grommet is greater chance of jamming in and damage to > the > >> trunk. > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > >> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/:: former > owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:34 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Is there any kind of grommet I could install to minimize chafe ? > This is > >>> my second pennant replacement in 8 years. > >>> Thanks Dave. > >>> Doug > >>> > >>>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> For the cast iron board boats all it is is a 5/16" double braid line. > >>> The > >>>> centerboard end remove about 6-8" of the core tie a small bowline to > the > >>>> board. > >>>> > >>>> For the M15-centerboard boats the line is also 5/16", still remove the > >>> core > >>>> but instead tie a 8-knot after running the line to the centerboard. > >>>> > >>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > >>>> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:05 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Good morning sailers, > >>>>> > >>>>> Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery > >>> 17 # > >>>>> 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Doug Vogel > >>>>> > >>>>> C:307-730-2971 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 246, Issue 19 > ************************************************* >

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Bigger winds and sail balance
by Rusty Knorr 26 Aug '23

26 Aug '23

How about sail balance when the wind kicks up? I’m on a (newer to me, although its my third) M15, and I’ve raked the mast back quite a lot to get rid of the lee helm the boat came with. Being a fractional rig, with a working jib we reef the main first, often twice when it blows too much for the rough conditions on Puget Sound. Sail balance seems to suffer after reefing, though, and the lee helm is back because of the larger sail area forward now, often making tacking almost impossible in the really rough water we get in Possession Sound. I’m finding that unless I know it’s going to be a really light air day I just put on the “storm jib” (it isn’t in any way a storm jib, I don’t know why Monty sailors continue to call it that, it’s just a heavier air jib) and deal with the slight reduction in performance, until it inevitable blows stink about 4pm. What is everyone else’s experience with balancing sails and managing weather/lee helm in changing conditions? (Mostly for M15’s) Rusty on Sparrow www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Aug 18, 2023, at 6:20 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > My solution, so far - I now have two furling/reefing jibs - the Genoa I got some years back (from Hyde) when I put the furler on, and a working jib that I got last year (from EP Sails). > > Reason being, what is now my "local" lake is usually too windy for a Genoa or even close to it. Most of the time I was sailing with it reefed more than makes any sense for that size jib. > > For typical "not crazy windy" conditions here, the working jib plus first reef in main is about right. If it pipes up more I can reef the jib as necessary. If it really pipes up, or I go out in higher winds on purpose, I might have 2nd reef in main and reefed working jib. > Point being - it's a more appropriate and versatile combo for my typical local conditions. > > In theory I could change jibs on the water (CDI furler, so luff tape just slides in/out the extrusion slot). But it's a bit more complicated than with hank-ons, and there's no point really, day sailing on a lake. > > I find that the loss in speed from being slightly under-canvassed is minor (and, I'm not racing). I get enough thrills when the gusts come along and I'm just right or slightly over-canvassed for a few minutes. > > For those who haven't already read this here or elsewhere, the M17 with a masthead rig is jib-driven more than main-driven. So I typically reduce main sail first. As mentioned, first reef in main but full working jib is a typical combo for me, and then I can reef the jib a bit if needed. But if I'm radically reefing the jib, then it's time to put 2nd reef in main. > > It's not a storm jib equivalent, but I can reef the working jib down to a handkerchief if necessary. Also, knowing I'd be sailing often in gusty winds, I had it made of a wee bit heavier cloth than the default weight they would normally have used. > > cheers, > John > > > >> On 8/18/23 17:18, Jason Leckie wrote: >> Yes, lots of wind in the Pacific Northwest right now. >> This brings up the subject of storm jibs in my mind. I have one that came >> with my boat, although I have never pulled it out of the bag (maybe I did >> once when I first got the boat.), I think I will this weekend though. >> My sail on the furling rig is a full sized genoa that can’t be removed >> other than by dropping the mast or climbing the mast. Does anyone rig up a >> storm jib separate from the furling system and how do they do that? >> Of course I can just reduce the area of the genoa sail with the furler but >> perhaps using a storm jib can be better in very strong winds. I believe >> Dave Scobie may have mentioned something about this in the past. >> Thanks in advance for any responses >> Jason Leckie >> Kuma >> M17 >> Point Roberts,WA/ >> Vancouver, BC >>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 4:48 PM Larry Yake <larryyake(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Timely subject. I was just out today in steady winds of 20+ with prolonged >>> gusts of 30+ on Priest Lake in northern Idaho. One deep reef. Boat was >>> solid, no problems. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 12:53 PM Jennifer Wood < >>> jennifer(a)buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Last year I was out in about 18mph w/ gusts > 25, and it was ... >>>> surprisingly stable with a storm jib and a single reef. This is a >>>> reassuring little boat! >>>> >>>> I have a new main on the way, and your stories have convinced me to ask >>>> them to put in a second reef. I'm hoping to get out on Superior next >>>> summer -- even if it's "just" the Apostle Islands. Things can change fast >>>> out there from what I hear, so it'll be good to have options. >>>> >>>> Somewhat relatedly, anyone spent time out on Rainy Lake? It's a "little" >>>> great lake of sorts. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:43 AM Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I absolutely love going out in 25-30 knot winds. 40 knot gusts is the >>>>> highest I've been in. Storm jib and double reefed main. I don't get >>> ocean >>>>> size waves on my inland lake. >>>>> >>>>> The picture was taken just before I put the second reef in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 10:58 AM Jim Poulakis <picfo(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That beats me! >>>>>> >>>>>> In San Francisco Bay summer winds regularly get over 20 knots in >>> "the >>>>>> slot" around the Golden Gate Bridge. In wind vs. tide conditions the >>>>>> seas can get over 5' with steep breaking chop. With a fully reefed >>> main >>>>>> and a slab reefing jib "Spirit" handled these conditions with winds >>>>>> gusting well into the 30's without trouble. It's a great place to >>>> build >>>>>> confidence because if everything goes to hell help is *usually* >>> nearby. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Jim P. >>>>>> >>>>>> M17 "Spirit" >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/2023 7:54 AM, jerry montgomery wrote: >>>>>>> A friend and I sailed to Catalina Island, probably in '84, when it >>>> was >>>>>> blowing 42 with gusts of 50. These were Coast Guard figures. Wind >>> was >>>>>> right on the nose. We got to the well-sheltered Avalon Bay well >>> after >>>>> dark >>>>>> and gratefully tied up to a mooring. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Waves were WAY higher than the mast! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < >>>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 11:09 PM >>>>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>>>> Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >>>>>>> Subject: M_Boats: What's the biggest wind you've been out in? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A question for the list...especially M17s, but 15s and 23s feel >>> free >>>> to >>>>>>> chime in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just curious what kind of high wind conditions anyone has dealt >>> with >>>> on >>>>>>> their M17. 30 knots? 40? more? Anything that broke the rigging, >>> blew >>>>> out >>>>>>> a sail, etc.? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Part of the reason I'm asking... >>>>>>> I've got a friend originally from South Africa who in his younger >>>> days >>>>>>> sailed bigger boats, racing, in the Cape region, where he says >>>>> regularly >>>>>>> it blows 30+ and they would commonly go out in 40+. Triple and >>>>> quadruple >>>>>>> reefs and storm jibs for a nice day on the water... :-! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>>>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jennifer Wood (she/her) >>>> >>>> Itinerant musician? >>>> Try the Guide to the Universe! >>>> https://www.buskersguidetotheuniverse.org/ >>>> https://buskersguide.org <http://buskersguide.org> >>>> >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Center board pennant
by Douglas Vogel 25 Aug '23

25 Aug '23

Good morning sailers, Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery 17 # 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. Thanks, Doug Vogel C:307-730-2971

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Center board pendant
by Jon Barber 24 Aug '23

24 Aug '23

My pendant parted. I'm curious, how do others replace their pendants? Monty 17 Ol'44 On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:34 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M17 Sea Anchor test (Rusty Knorr) > 2. Center board pennant (Douglas Vogel) > 3. Re: Center board pennant (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Center board pennant (Douglas Vogel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 10:13:08 -0700 > From: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 Sea Anchor test > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <2EA0B26C-62F7-4171-B109-D199D1DB0E82(a)yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I applaud you for getting out and testing your gear in real world > conditions! Most people do testing when it’s sunny, the water is warm, > there’s no wind, etc. and then assume the results will be the same in > survival conditions, or that the capsize recovery they practice in no waves > will be replicated in 3-4 foot seas! Like an anchor rode I would suggest > tying off your line at the bow before deploying! And I really like the > Pardey’s method of rigging a storm anchor or drogue, it’s worth getting > their “Storm Tactics” DVD. RIP Larry. 😢 > > My boat (M15) came with a sea anchor, but it’s not set up or even carried > on the boat. I’m in Puget Sound where I would barely have time to deploy it > if I truly needed it before I was aground on a lee shore. I plan on being > an old sailor, not a bold one, and I’m very conservative about the > conditions I go out in. I still get my ass kicked occasionally because the > weather changes crazy fast here, but the boat hasn’t let me down yet! 💪 > > I’d love to see video of your testing. > > Rusty > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 9:03 AM, E Blohm via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > This was the week I had planned on sailing from Fairport Harbor Ohio to > Erie Pa or even Buffalo NY on a long 3-5 day downwinder but it was not to > be, at least this week! > > > > A dreadful weather forecast that proved to be correct (thunderstorms > bringing 30-50kt winds and a tremendous amount of lightning) this weather > has been going on for the last 3 day and it made me take pause! > > > > I still have my M17 in the little 5x1 mile inland lake since I decided > to not trailer it up to Erie this week. I was able to give my ParaTech 3’ > storm anchor a test. > > > > The anchor has a fender float -15’ of 3mm line tied to the back of the > chute to prevent it totally sinking /6’ of 3/8” chain and 200’ of 1/2” rode > which is then fastened to the bow cleat. > > > > Conditions at lake were 12-16Kts 1-2’ waves. I had 1 reef in main and > 115% jib rolled 1/3 up and got myself hove-too. I deployed the anchor off > the windward side of the boat and payed out the system easily except for > going forward holding the last 20’ of rode and securing to the bow cleat. > This would be very tough in heavier air and waves. > > > > The Sea anchor set itself perpendicular to the boats slow drift downwind > and backwards and held the bow maybe 10-15* higher than hove-to alone into > the small choppy waves. In storm conditions while hove-to I think it would > help a bit. > > > > After 20 minutes or so I struck the sails down and the Sea Anchor after > a couple of the bow oscillations through the wind held the bow into waves > and into the wind. Once again this would probably be a good tactic as > opposed to lying a hull if caught out on bigger water. > > > > I suspect as wind velocity increases the pull and effectiveness of the > sea anchor will increase. > > > > I calculated the 3’ circumference sea anchor (basically a half sphere) > will have @34# of pull at 1 knot, and @126# at 2 knots drift downwind. > > > > Pulling the anchor in by hand proved relatively easy without a trip line. > > > > I debated between the 3’ and 6’ sea anchor for the M17. I think it will > work but suspect the 6’ would be even better! I’ll keep my out for a 6’ one > to test. > > > > Erik > > M17 S/V “Reef or Madness” > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:05:00 -0600 > From: Douglas Vogel <shadowmtlighting(a)icloud.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Center board pennant > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <C6A97E97-2C50-4C5B-A7CD-D3B4FC82E503(a)icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Good morning sailers, > > Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery 17 # > 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. > > Thanks, > Doug Vogel > > C:307-730-2971 > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 11:22:11 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Center board pennant > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA7vRG+K8dWF_hcwOQA7fiRZPAK9Cg_LEw6U= > 1jLwoC56A(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > For the cast iron board boats all it is is a 5/16" double braid line. The > centerboard end remove about 6-8" of the core tie a small bowline to the > board. > > For the M15-centerboard boats the line is also 5/16", still remove the core > but instead tie a 8-knot after running the line to the centerboard. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:05 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Good morning sailers, > > > > Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery 17 > # > > 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. > > > > Thanks, > > Doug Vogel > > > > C:307-730-2971 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:33:47 -0600 > From: Douglas Vogel <shadowmtlighting(a)icloud.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Center board pennant > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <3FFF8F96-D57B-44F4-A4FB-5314AA69920C(a)icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Is there any kind of grommet I could install to minimize chafe ? This is > my second pennant replacement in 8 years. > Thanks Dave. > Doug > > > On Aug 24, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > For the cast iron board boats all it is is a 5/16" double braid line. > The > > centerboard end remove about 6-8" of the core tie a small bowline to the > > board. > > > > For the M15-centerboard boats the line is also 5/16", still remove the > core > > but instead tie a 8-knot after running the line to the centerboard. > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:05 Douglas Vogel via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > >> Good morning sailers, > >> > >> Does anyone have a source for a centerboard pennant for my Montgomery > 17 # > >> 325. West Marine seems to want $145 for one…. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Doug Vogel > >> > >> C:307-730-2971 > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 246, Issue 18 > ************************************************* >

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M17 Sea Anchor test
by E Blohm 24 Aug '23

24 Aug '23

This was the week I had planned on sailing from Fairport Harbor Ohio to Erie Pa or even Buffalo NY on a long 3-5 day downwinder but it was not to be, at least this week! A dreadful weather forecast that proved to be correct (thunderstorms bringing 30-50kt winds and a tremendous amount of lightning) this weather has been going on for the last 3 day and it made me take pause! I still have my M17 in the little 5x1 mile inland lake since I decided to not trailer it up to Erie this week. I was able to give my ParaTech 3’ storm anchor a test. The anchor has a fender float -15’ of 3mm line tied to the back of the chute to prevent it totally sinking /6’ of 3/8” chain and 200’ of 1/2” rode which is then fastened to the bow cleat. Conditions at lake were 12-16Kts 1-2’ waves. I had 1 reef in main and 115% jib rolled 1/3 up and got myself hove-too. I deployed the anchor off the windward side of the boat and payed out the system easily except for going forward holding the last 20’ of rode and securing to the bow cleat. This would be very tough in heavier air and waves. The Sea anchor set itself perpendicular to the boats slow drift downwind and backwards and held the bow maybe 10-15* higher than hove-to alone into the small choppy waves. In storm conditions while hove-to I think it would help a bit. After 20 minutes or so I struck the sails down and the Sea Anchor after a couple of the bow oscillations through the wind held the bow into waves and into the wind. Once again this would probably be a good tactic as opposed to lying a hull if caught out on bigger water. I suspect as wind velocity increases the pull and effectiveness of the sea anchor will increase. I calculated the 3’ circumference sea anchor (basically a half sphere) will have @34# of pull at 1 knot, and @126# at 2 knots drift downwind. Pulling the anchor in by hand proved relatively easy without a trip line. I debated between the 3’ and 6’ sea anchor for the M17. I think it will work but suspect the 6’ would be even better! I’ll keep my out for a 6’ one to test. Erik M17 S/V “Reef or Madness” Sent from my iPhone

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What's the biggest wind you've been out in?
by John Schinnerer 21 Aug '23

21 Aug '23

A question for the list...especially M17s, but 15s and 23s feel free to chime in. Just curious what kind of high wind conditions anyone has dealt with on their M17. 30 knots? 40? more? Anything that broke the rigging, blew out a sail, etc.? Part of the reason I'm asking... I've got a friend originally from South Africa who in his younger days sailed bigger boats, racing, in the Cape region, where he says regularly it blows 30+ and they would commonly go out in 40+. Triple and quadruple reefs and storm jibs for a nice day on the water... :-! cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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M23 launched
by salglesser＠aol.com 18 Aug '23

18 Aug '23

Hi All, It's been a while, but we are pleased to announce that our Montgomery 23 is finally in the water. It is boat #2 with the new style deck. Construction began in 2004. Gail decided to drive the project to completion (bless her) a couple of years ago. It had been sitting at our factory since 2010. The boat was completed by Mr. Ron Moore and his wife Martha (bless them) of Moore Sailboats. There was a lot of work to be done so the project took a while. Ron Moore is a master boat builder extraordinaire, so the build quality is exceptional. (He built our Moore 24 for us back in '84, which we still sail). He and Martha came out of retirement to do this project for us. Inboard diesel, custom sails and custom cushions. We had to increase the length of the double berth, complete all of the electrical, redo the centerboard and add a hoist, go through the engine, which had never been run and complete construction of the interior, We re looking forward to spending quality time on her. salngail glesser (Persistence is King)

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 246, Issue 5
by Jon Barber 10 Aug '23

10 Aug '23

After several club members were injured from falls onto tarmac while rigging boats on trailers, I started raising my mast on the water. I've never lost anything overboard while doing so. My boat is equipped with a rudder craft mast raising strut, which gets the mast high enough to make the job easier. I have raised and lowered my mast while motoring without incident. Because I trailer sail to multiple launch sites during the season, I have lots of experience rigging dockside. When I arrive at a launch I only need to remove 3 straps and crank up the centerboard before launching. No more long sessions rigging in a parking lot. I rig when it's convenient. So far, I'm the only club member to do this. Once, while leaving Monterey for a sail to Moss Landing I lost the main halyard up the mast (that shackle has been replaced) I was able to tie up at an empty pier and lower, retrieve halyard and re rig in 20 minutes. P.S. The strut makes a good place to fly flags, too! Lately I've been sailing under jib only with my awning up. This causes lee helm. I might try a mizzen sail to balance the helm; using the strut as a mast. I'm always thinking up rigging changes. It keeps me interested. Jon Barber Vice Commodore Potter Yachters Monty17 Ol'44 On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 3:03 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M-10 Hull number 1 (jerry montgomery) > 2. Re: M-10 Hull number 1 (John Schinnerer) > 3. M23 Sling Launch (Gerald Wyatt) > 4. Re: M23 Sling Launch (Theo Petron) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 16:08:33 +0000 > From: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M-10 Hull number 1 > To: Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1(a)gmail.com>, "stansusman(a)gmail.com" > <stansusman(a)gmail.com>, montgomery list > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <MN0PR84MB31199E406665E4AEF591D201E60EA(a)MN0PR84MB3119.NAM > PRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That's got to be the boat I took to the trials put on by One-design and > Offshore Racing magazine (later called Yacht Racing) and won all the races > and got the only perfect score in quality. This was in 1970 and is what > got my business started. Up until then I was a one-man shop. Great > memories. I'd buy it for old time's sake except I don't want to drive to > San Diego. > > Thanks, Gary. I take back all I've said about you! > ________________________________ > From: Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:01 PM > To: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com>; stansusman(a)gmail.com < > stansusman(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M-10 Hull number 1 > > > https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/boa/d/san-diego-1971-montgomery-10-sail… > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 11:11:57 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M-10 Hull number 1 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <89aebdfa-9510-bc2d-0abc-09d125e1cbb4(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Wow, very cool! > Maybe if you contact them Jerry with the story below, they'll ship it to > you as a "piece of history"... :-) > > cheers, > John > > On 8/5/23 09:08, jerry montgomery wrote: > > That's got to be the boat I took to the trials put on by One-design and > Offshore Racing magazine (later called Yacht Racing) and won all the races > and got the only perfect score in quality. This was in 1970 and is what > got my business started. Up until then I was a one-man shop. Great > memories. I'd buy it for old time's sake except I don't want to drive to > San Diego. > > > > Thanks, Gary. I take back all I've said about you! > > ________________________________ > > From: Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1(a)gmail.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:01 PM > > To: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com>; stansusman(a)gmail.com < > stansusman(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: M-10 Hull number 1 > > > > > https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/boa/d/san-diego-1971-montgomery-10-sail… > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:26:34 -0700 > From: Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 Sling Launch > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CACXTuZy_LC1hSXxHKqPbg5_zjB9H-b5OXx4cWunvyh9gmJNx9Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello, > > We are trailing our M23 Dhana to the San Juan Islands next week. Larry was > very kind to help us with planning and suggested sling launching the boat > at Cap Sante Marina. We plan to follow his suggestion, but we have never > stepped the mast on the water. The steps we take will be the same, but if > any M23 owners have any suggestions or experiences, it would be helpful. > > It would be a shame to not take advantage of all the experience out there. > > At the very least, we plan to do as much as possible while the boat is on > the trailer to avoid dropping stuff in the water.... > > Thank you, > > Gerry > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:03:01 -0400 > From: Theo Petron <lapstrake1979(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M23 Sling Launch > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CADqWGb17OAFKz-xW2d1FAiMxCk7df0Y7cDF0Zwz_5uXf__fOmA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Gerry, > > You will LOVE the San Juans, have fun! > > I almost always step and unstep my mast in the water on my 23. The height > from boat to ground is a lot farther than the water and the water seems a > bit softer. > Not sure what you think might go splash, but I've not had any issues. Also, > I think youve got that custom raising gizmo that the owner before Bones > made, which should make it even easier. I find a slip and make sure there > is ample room to tie the sloop off at an angle so one person can be on the > dock to steady the mast in the beginning, then move to the bow for further > steadying. Hope that make sense. > > I'm sure others will have more detailed experiences and suggestions. It's > second nature to me after 23 years of doing it! > Best. > Theo > PS: Have fun with the Orcas! > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:27 PM Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > We are trailing our M23 Dhana to the San Juan Islands next week. Larry > was > > very kind to help us with planning and suggested sling launching the boat > > at Cap Sante Marina. We plan to follow his suggestion, but we have never > > stepped the mast on the water. The steps we take will be the same, but if > > any M23 owners have any suggestions or experiences, it would be helpful. > > > > It would be a shame to not take advantage of all the experience out > there. > > > > At the very least, we plan to do as much as possible while the boat is on > > the trailer to avoid dropping stuff in the water.... > > > > Thank you, > > > > Gerry > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 246, Issue 5 > ************************************************ >

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Re: M23 Sling Launch
by bownez＠juno.com 10 Aug '23

10 Aug '23

Have a fantastic trip Gerry, it's fantastic sailing grounds! I fondly remember my trip there with the M sailor group and Theo in 2005. Mr. Bones

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