September 2022 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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MSOG Website
by Gerald Wyatt 28 Nov '22

28 Nov '22

Hi Everyone, The msog.org website has been transferred successfully and the domain name has been retained. It will take a little bit of work to get the site updated, so give me some time. Thanks again to Doug for his hard work and generosity all these years. Gerry

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Ann: I recommend - Remove the pan. It looks janky. Show the boat without it present. Clean up the area under the cockpit. Vac, scrub, etc. Better would be to paint with Interlux BilgeCoat. Follow prep as outlined on the can. Make sure the edge, from cutting out the pan, isn't sharp. If need sand away edge and burrs with 120g sandpaper. Don't sand the shiny visible bits of gel coat at the edge, just round off any sharps. Like a used car clean boat sells faster and for more money. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 3:05 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here it is.Lighting not great in the garage... > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Ann: > > Share a picture of what it looks like with the pan out. > > What you see is stock. Nothing added. It is how 'under space' below the > pan looks. > > There should be a couple plywood partial-bulkheads under the cockpit. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the photos. >> I see what you mean. Yours looks great. >> Honestly, I don't know who would do that kind of work or how much it >> would cost. Also, you have an insert. In my boat, the guy put a piece of >> plywood down below, which also looks terrible. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 3/21/22 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >> >> Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. >> >> You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor >> presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan >> needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not >> sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look >> at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - >> https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are >>> alarmed. One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix >>> damage to the hull underneath. >>> Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >>> >>> Ann: >>> >>> Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see >>> the inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? >>> >>> My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was >>> great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock >>> lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. >>> >>> Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the >>> lockers???!!! Really??!! >>> >>> Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. >>> >>> All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. >>> >>> (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>> site! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in >>>> the garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for >>>> sale. I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the >>>> starboard locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I >>>> have since seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put >>>> the anchor in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone >>>> would cut the fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the >>>> locker restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann >>>> Keeton Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>>

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sailing in gusty winds - what to do
by Ernst van Gulijk 06 Oct '22

06 Oct '22

Hello all, I wanted to share the following and am looking for your wisdom. A little bit of background, I am a new(er) owner of a 2007 M15 and (this summer) have been in the process of becoming more-and-more familiar with the boat's traits and capabilities. I've got maybe 10 afternoons of sailing under my belt, all on a local lake in MN. Having mastered the basics of rigging etc., I am currently practicing heaving to, reefing and arriving at the dock under sail only. This last weekend, conditions called for winds between 5-10 MPH - perfect for a day on the water. Within short time, I came to realize that the wind speeds were closer to the 10-mark, and decided this was a perfect opportunity to practice my newly-learned reefing and heaving to skills. I found a calmer area near(er) to shore, and within short time had the boat sailing again with a single reef in the main. All went well for the rest of the afternoon, until it was time to head back to the dock. This required crossing the lake (approx. 3-4 miles shore to shore). About midway through the crossing, an unexpected squall came through. Wind gusts were maybe bumping the 15MPH mark, causing the boat to heel beyond the 15-degree mark on my newly-installed heel gauge. Having read up on other posts, I recall folks talking about weather helm, and that 15-degrees was about the point where one needs to consider reducing the sail (further yet). Also recall that easing up on the main sheet is maybe not the thing to do (but so tempting). A few questions: 1. I assume the smart thing to do would have been to reduce sail prior to the wind picking up (i.e., reef early), but how does one anticipate the unexpected? 2. Whereas my earlier reefing activity took place in calm waters, I have a difficult time envisioning doing this when winds are gusty and water is choppy. Is this something I just have to practice, starting out with calm conditions, and gradually working my way up to the 'hairier' conditions? 3. Should I have dropped the head sail (115%)? 4. What will happen beyond 15-degree of heel? Will she capsize? Here too, I recall folks talking about the boat 'stiffening' up, and sailing with the rail in the water. Being new to the boat, I simply do not know where the limits are, and certainly do not want to explore those being 2 miles of shore. Your input is welcomed! Ernie

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Sealing deck penetrations to prevent core rot
by Gary H.Oberbeck 23 Sep '22

23 Sep '22

Worth the effort to maintain the laminate skins especially on high load fittings like jib/genoa tracks on cored decks. Keeping the skin intact and ‘backfilling’ the hole is less likely to fail and allow water intrusion. Straight ‘over drilling’ is easier, but less strong, harder to ‘center’the fasteners inside the epoxy plug without drilling a larger hole to ensure the plug completely surrounds the fastener, and is more likely (under worst case) to pull the plug as it is not encapsulated by the skins. The last thing you want is the plug to become compromised! If the hole is damaged, try to maintain the inner skin at minimum. A bit more work, but I have not had one fail yet and the core and fasteners are positively isolated. I am doing this right now- hence the note. Check ‘West System’ how to for additional info -this popped up first on google. Don’t forget to seal hole prior to plugging with ‘neat epoxy coat’, then thickened ‘pooky’. Let’s keep those holes in the deck sealed, strong and minimum size! I use ‘bent nail’, Allen wrench, and dremel bits depending on wet or dry core. Hope this helps - GO M-15 #330 ‘Cahoots’ https://marinehowto.com/sealing-deck-penetrations-to-prevent-core-rot/

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M15 outhaul
by Jim Sadler 15 Sep '22

15 Sep '22

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Outboard motor noise
by Jon Barber 14 Sep '22

14 Sep '22

I use earplugs when running the Honda 2. I use it very little. The old 2's were small enough to rotate in the notch making reverse possible. It is also full power reverse as its not a prop running backward. I can effectively park my boat using motor thrust and tiller for direction. Another plus I discovered when the shear pin sheared. In the notch I can remove the motor for service! Shear pin replaced in 10 minutes while underway. Great simple motor.

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Outboards
by Paul Baker 14 Sep '22

14 Sep '22

Dear Fellow Montgomery Owners, I have a 2 hp Johnson Sea Horse outboard on my 1983 Montgomery 15. I am ready to purchase a brand new outboard because I need peace of mind for going across the Catalina Channel. I have the old style motor mount that is not adjustable. I am asking for any advice about engines from anyone who is willing to share their experience and opinions so that I can make the wisest choice when I shop for an engine. I am also willing to make adjustments to my existing motor mount if it is necessary. Your input is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Paul Baker (Los Angeles)

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Re: MSOG Website
by bownez＠juno.com 06 Sep '22

06 Sep '22

Good job Gerry!! How is my old girl Dhana?? Mr. Bones

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