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Re: Mast Raising and Lowering
by Pete 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

On my M17, I installed a 4x4x8 treated post near the tongue of my trailer with a hand winch and wheel pull on top of beam. I connect the winch line to the jib stay once the mast is pinned to the boat saddle. I can raise and lower the mast with the winch on the trailer with ease. Below is a pic of my installation. Without this rig, the mast was too heavy to deal with. Mini Me M17 Camano Island, Wa Hope this idea helps. Thanks, Pete > On Jul 15, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: > There seems to be an autocorrect typo here. I think you meant an "electric > wench?" > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 4:43 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> I’ve been reading this with interest. I raise and lower the mast on my M17 >> this way. I attached a 2x4x8 to front of my trailer with a pulley at top >> and a cheap trailer wrench. I attach a line at the spreaders. I have a mast >> support on stern of trailer. My wife cranks the wrench and I just keep mast >> steady. By lifting from spreaders eliminates most of the swaying if lifting >> from mast head. I’m going to add two lines to steady mast even more to >> eliminate my wife. You say how do I get line to spreader if mast standing. >> Simple. Weight one end of lite line and toss from both sides. I use a clip >> at end of pull line to feed it through to pull cable. >> >> I assume you are raising and lowering mast on a trailer. If not the basic >> raise and lower could be done. I would also suggest a trip to YouTube which >> has many methods for raising and lowering a mast. Any time I want to do >> anything I first go to YouTube and thought everyone did that. >> >> I got my idea on YouTube from a guy who designed an elaborate lift with a >> remote electric wrench. I eliminated all the cost and replaced it with >> wife. Still the remote electric wrench is a good idea and I can do it at >> less than half the cost he paid. Plus my idea would let me use electric >> wrench to load boat. >> >> >> When I read these comments I think back when my wife and I raised >> constantly the mast on a Tanzer 22 manually. But then maybe and by what I >> read on the owners group Montgomery owners are a different age group. I >> certainly am. >> >> Of course feed back is appreciated and any suggestions since I believe it >> is all a learning process. Frankly I enjoy the learning process. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:43 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> I'll jump in to say that you sound like you're in plenty good shape to >> just raise the mast on an M15 by hand, start to finish, IF it were not for >> the darn cockpit floor being so low. >>> Same problem I have in my M17. I can lift the mast weight, but I am too >> low to raise it far enough to take enough weight off to finish the raise. >> Unless I try and step up on the cockpit seats while lifting, but on an M17 >> the mast is heavy enough that that is a risky proposition. >>> In the smaller cockpit of an M15 - have you tried standing on the >> cockpit seats to lift the mast? >>> Or putting a nice sturdy piece of plywood on top of them so you can step >> wherever you need to at seat height? >>> That would be the next thing I would try, for the smaller mast of the >> M15. >>> An entirely different thought to consider - before I got my jib furler, >> I raised my M17 mast from the front, not the rear. This might be something >> to try also on an M15. >>> Raising from the front, you are standing nice and high on the foredeck. >> If you have enough strength to start the lift of the mast off the forward >> crutch or pulpit, you are plenty high up to just keep lifting and it >> quickly gets easier as the mast goes up. With your height (similar to mine) >> you would have the mast most of the way up and very light before you even >> had to step back from the bow towards the cabin top to finish the lift. >>> Plus the forestay never has to be disconnected, you just have to keep it >> (and the shrouds, as always) from snagging on anything as you raise. >>> Also when you are sliding the mast to get the base to the mast step, it >> goes forward over your tow vehicle instead of rearward out into whatever is >> behind the boat (like sometimes a busy launch ramp parking lot where >> someone might run into it...). If your tow vehicle roof is higher than bow >> pulpit then you'd need to set something up so the mast could slide onto the >> roof without damage or snags. >>> And of course this means the mast is transported with top forward rather >> than aft. >>> Also, on an M15 with shrouds aft of mast step you would need to loosen >> them a bit to raise, and then put back to sailing trim. >>> What I do now since I have to raise from rear due to furler is basically >> what someone posted already - I use my mainsheet tackle and an extender >> line, rig it to the jib halyard, clip the tackle to the pulpit. >>> Remaining problem is same as before - first part of lift, to get enough >> angle on the raising line that it becomes effective. >>> Solvable by having an extendable and/or detachable front crutch or even >> just raising pole on the trailer, that is higher than the pulpit, and >> attach the tackle there. Then the raising line angle is effective right >> from the start. >>> Once the raising line is effective it tends to keep the mast centered, >> so the side to side scariness goes away. >>> cheers, >>> John >>> On 7/14/22 20:09, Willy Gorrissen wrote: >>>> Dave, I’ll be interested in your suggestions after giving you this >> information; >>>> Height: 6’4” >>>> Balance: Reasonable for a 75 year old >>>> Strength: Okay but not good for pull-ups >>>> Back/knees: No problems >>>> Willy Gorrissen >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows >>>> From: Dave Scobie<mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:03 PM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto: >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering >>>> Willy. >>>> Couple of physical and physique questions - >>>> How tall are you? >>>> How is your balance? >>>> How is you upper body strength? >>>> Back and/or knee issues? >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com >>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 5:11 PM Willy Gorrissen <gorrissen(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> I need guidance in raising and lowering the mast on my M-15. Every >> time I >>>>> put my mast up or down it becomes a horror show. I only do it twice a >> year >>>>> but still it should be easier than I am making it. I do raise the >> transom >>>>> crutch to its up position and have the shrouds connected for raising >> and >>>>> lowering. Also my wife helps by pulling or easing off the main >> halyard as >>>>> the mast is raised or lowered. >>>>> My process is to raise the crutch, connect the shrouds, put the mast >> step >>>>> in the deck house bracket. I then put myself half in the cockpit and >> half >>>>> down below and lift as my wife pulls. Yet until the shrouds are tight >>>>> there’s little control over where the mast might go. Lowering is sort >> of >>>>> the opposite but the mast foot gets stuck in the bracket, the mast >> swings >>>>> right and left and once it’s down it’s difficult to find a safe place >> to >>>>> stand in cockpit and wrestle the mast forward. I feels as if I am >> going to >>>>> fall out of the boat. >>>>> My wife is close to saying she’s not helping any more as she only sees >>>>> disaster in our future. So any suggestions will be appreciated. >>>>> Thanks for any advice, >>>>> Willy Gorrissen >>>>> Payette Lake >>>>> McCall, ID >>>>> M-15, 606 >>>>> Sent from Mail< >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.micros…> >> for Windows >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: Mast Raising and Lowering
by Charles Adams 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

I’ve been reading this with interest. I raise and lower the mast on my M17 this way. I attached a 2x4x8 to front of my trailer with a pulley at top and a cheap trailer wrench. I attach a line at the spreaders. I have a mast support on stern of trailer. My wife cranks the wrench and I just keep mast steady. By lifting from spreaders eliminates most of the swaying if lifting from mast head. I’m going to add two lines to steady mast even more to eliminate my wife. You say how do I get line to spreader if mast standing. Simple. Weight one end of lite line and toss from both sides. I use a clip at end of pull line to feed it through to pull cable. I assume you are raising and lowering mast on a trailer. If not the basic raise and lower could be done. I would also suggest a trip to YouTube which has many methods for raising and lowering a mast. Any time I want to do anything I first go to YouTube and thought everyone did that. I got my idea on YouTube from a guy who designed an elaborate lift with a remote electric wrench. I eliminated all the cost and replaced it with wife. Still the remote electric wrench is a good idea and I can do it at less than half the cost he paid. Plus my idea would let me use electric wrench to load boat. When I read these comments I think back when my wife and I raised constantly the mast on a Tanzer 22 manually. But then maybe and by what I read on the owners group Montgomery owners are a different age group. I certainly am. Of course feed back is appreciated and any suggestions since I believe it is all a learning process. Frankly I enjoy the learning process. Charlie Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:43 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I'll jump in to say that you sound like you're in plenty good shape to just raise the mast on an M15 by hand, start to finish, IF it were not for the darn cockpit floor being so low. > > Same problem I have in my M17. I can lift the mast weight, but I am too low to raise it far enough to take enough weight off to finish the raise. Unless I try and step up on the cockpit seats while lifting, but on an M17 the mast is heavy enough that that is a risky proposition. > > In the smaller cockpit of an M15 - have you tried standing on the cockpit seats to lift the mast? > Or putting a nice sturdy piece of plywood on top of them so you can step wherever you need to at seat height? > That would be the next thing I would try, for the smaller mast of the M15. > > An entirely different thought to consider - before I got my jib furler, I raised my M17 mast from the front, not the rear. This might be something to try also on an M15. > Raising from the front, you are standing nice and high on the foredeck. If you have enough strength to start the lift of the mast off the forward crutch or pulpit, you are plenty high up to just keep lifting and it quickly gets easier as the mast goes up. With your height (similar to mine) you would have the mast most of the way up and very light before you even had to step back from the bow towards the cabin top to finish the lift. > Plus the forestay never has to be disconnected, you just have to keep it (and the shrouds, as always) from snagging on anything as you raise. > Also when you are sliding the mast to get the base to the mast step, it goes forward over your tow vehicle instead of rearward out into whatever is behind the boat (like sometimes a busy launch ramp parking lot where someone might run into it...). If your tow vehicle roof is higher than bow pulpit then you'd need to set something up so the mast could slide onto the roof without damage or snags. > And of course this means the mast is transported with top forward rather than aft. > Also, on an M15 with shrouds aft of mast step you would need to loosen them a bit to raise, and then put back to sailing trim. > > What I do now since I have to raise from rear due to furler is basically what someone posted already - I use my mainsheet tackle and an extender line, rig it to the jib halyard, clip the tackle to the pulpit. > Remaining problem is same as before - first part of lift, to get enough angle on the raising line that it becomes effective. > Solvable by having an extendable and/or detachable front crutch or even just raising pole on the trailer, that is higher than the pulpit, and attach the tackle there. Then the raising line angle is effective right from the start. > Once the raising line is effective it tends to keep the mast centered, so the side to side scariness goes away. > > cheers, > John > > > On 7/14/22 20:09, Willy Gorrissen wrote: >> Dave, I’ll be interested in your suggestions after giving you this information; >> Height: 6’4” >> Balance: Reasonable for a 75 year old >> Strength: Okay but not good for pull-ups >> Back/knees: No problems >> Willy Gorrissen >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows >> From: Dave Scobie<mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:03 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering >> Willy. >> Couple of physical and physique questions - >> How tall are you? >> How is your balance? >> How is you upper body strength? >> Back and/or knee issues? >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 5:11 PM Willy Gorrissen <gorrissen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> I need guidance in raising and lowering the mast on my M-15. Every time I >>> put my mast up or down it becomes a horror show. I only do it twice a year >>> but still it should be easier than I am making it. I do raise the transom >>> crutch to its up position and have the shrouds connected for raising and >>> lowering. Also my wife helps by pulling or easing off the main halyard as >>> the mast is raised or lowered. >>> My process is to raise the crutch, connect the shrouds, put the mast step >>> in the deck house bracket. I then put myself half in the cockpit and half >>> down below and lift as my wife pulls. Yet until the shrouds are tight >>> there’s little control over where the mast might go. Lowering is sort of >>> the opposite but the mast foot gets stuck in the bracket, the mast swings >>> right and left and once it’s down it’s difficult to find a safe place to >>> stand in cockpit and wrestle the mast forward. I feels as if I am going to >>> fall out of the boat. >>> My wife is close to saying she’s not helping any more as she only sees >>> disaster in our future. So any suggestions will be appreciated. >>> Thanks for any advice, >>> Willy Gorrissen >>> Payette Lake >>> McCall, ID >>> M-15, 606 >>> Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.micros…> for Windows > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Photos
by Jon Barber 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

I do not get any photos when I look at posts. Is this normal? Does anyone access to the MSOG photosite? I am 404 forbidden. I'm couch surfing for now and I'd like to update my photos. I'm grounded for awhile and have time to do so. Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44

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Help
by E Blohm 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

Interested in obtaining a M17. Erik Sent from my iPhone

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Mast Raising and Lowering
by Willy Gorrissen 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

I need guidance in raising and lowering the mast on my M-15. Every time I put my mast up or down it becomes a horror show. I only do it twice a year but still it should be easier than I am making it. I do raise the transom crutch to its up position and have the shrouds connected for raising and lowering. Also my wife helps by pulling or easing off the main halyard as the mast is raised or lowered. My process is to raise the crutch, connect the shrouds, put the mast step in the deck house bracket. I then put myself half in the cockpit and half down below and lift as my wife pulls. Yet until the shrouds are tight there’s little control over where the mast might go. Lowering is sort of the opposite but the mast foot gets stuck in the bracket, the mast swings right and left and once it’s down it’s difficult to find a safe place to stand in cockpit and wrestle the mast forward. I feels as if I am going to fall out of the boat. My wife is close to saying she’s not helping any more as she only sees disaster in our future. So any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks for any advice, Willy Gorrissen Payette Lake McCall, ID M-15, 606 Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

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More photos
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

Hopefully these post. [image0.jpeg] Trunk with spacer. Male mold we built. Sent from my iPad [image1.jpeg] See the Slot cut and the 1/4 inch cable sticking out..? That’s to raise and lower the board [image2.jpeg]Built a lexan box. Only the cable is used. Nothing but 3 part rope up top. [image3.jpeg] This is the board in the down position. It’s solid glass out of a mold I built. [image4.jpeg] Top view.

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Re: Montgomery 15 Fenders
by Mike Epp 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

Only need one each side at widest part of the boat. I have cleats right behind the port lights. See pic On July 13, 2022, at 9:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >I wonder if the group has any suggestions on this topic I always seem to struggle with. We don't spend much time at docks but, when we have to tie up to one, I am never really satisfied with how I attach at least one of the fenders I use between the boat and the dock. I typically feel like I should use two fenders. The front one I tie to the shroud. The aft one usually seems to want to be located just back of the front of the cockpit but I don't have anything good at that location to secure the fender to. I see in Daniel Rich's how-to-rig-a-Montgomery-15 video he only uses one fender tied to the handrail just back of the shroud and that seems to work okay. What works for you Montgomery 15 sailors when using fenders at a dock? How many fenders? How do you secure them? David GrahMontgomery 15 - Sky

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Mooring a vessel / Fenders
by Conbert Benneck 14 Jul '22

14 Jul '22

Good morning M-sailors May I give you a course in Mooring 101? To moor a vessel properly you have to meet four conditions: - The bow has to remain in a spot where you want it to be - The stern has to do the same - The boat has to be prevented from moving forward or backwards at the moor location. To accomplish this you need four mooring lines: - A bow line - A stern line - A forward spring line - An aft spring line The first line to go ashore should be the forward spring line. This line is is cleated at your anchor cleat and then is fastened to the dock. When it is cleated, it stops the boat from moving forward. The second line will be the aft spring line. It goes from a stern cleat on our boat to a cleat on the dock at the bow or further forward - where ever... Now your boat can't move forward or backwards. The next line are the bow and stern lines. As their name implies, the bow line goes from the bow of your boat to a cleat on the dock. The stern line does the same. With these four mooring lines in place, you boat can't move forward or aft; and the bow and stern of the vessel are fixed as well. Next problem: Prevent abrasion of your hull on concrete surfaces, or barnacle covered pilings. This is where fenders enter the game. If you are at a place, with no tide, and negligible waves, and you are mooring against a fairly smooth surface, one fender hung at the middle of the boat should suffice. If, however, you are docking in an area with high speed outboard boats towing water skiers, or big stink-potters who totally disregard the "NO WAKE" rule, you need more, and better protection from their waves. The answer to this problem is to use a "Fender Board". A fender board can be any old piece of a 2 X 4 , say 4 feet long. At the ends of the 2" surface drill a hole for a line. Thread a piece of 1/4" - or what have you - line through each hole and put a stopper knot on the bottom end. Voila, you now own a fender board. At this point you will need two fenders on the side of the hull. The fender board is hung on the outboard side of the fenders. Now your boat can bounce in the waves, but all the rubbing against the dock is done by the fender board. Over time it can get chewed up by - in my case - barnacles and tides. Building a new fender board, now that you know how to make one - probably takes you 15 minutes. It is as important as fenders are on a boat. Happy sailing Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ;

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Montgomery 15 Fenders
by David Grah 14 Jul '22

14 Jul '22

I wonder if the group has any suggestions on this topic I always seem to struggle with. We don't spend much time at docks but, when we have to tie up to one, I am never really satisfied with how I attach at least one of the fenders I use between the boat and the dock. I typically feel like I should use two fenders. The front one I tie to the shroud. The aft one usually seems to want to be located just back of the front of the cockpit but I don't have anything good at that location to secure the fender to. I see in Daniel Rich's how-to-rig-a-Montgomery-15 video he only uses one fender tied to the handrail just back of the shroud and that seems to work okay. What works for you Montgomery 15 sailors when using fenders at a dock? How many fenders? How do you secure them? David GrahMontgomery 15 - Sky

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Re: Anyone on the west coast have an M23?
by bownez＠juno.com 08 Jul '22

08 Jul '22

Well said Gerry!! Mr. Bones

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