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fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Ann: I recommend - Remove the pan. It looks janky. Show the boat without it present. Clean up the area under the cockpit. Vac, scrub, etc. Better would be to paint with Interlux BilgeCoat. Follow prep as outlined on the can. Make sure the edge, from cutting out the pan, isn't sharp. If need sand away edge and burrs with 120g sandpaper. Don't sand the shiny visible bits of gel coat at the edge, just round off any sharps. Like a used car clean boat sells faster and for more money. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 3:05 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here it is.Lighting not great in the garage... > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Ann: > > Share a picture of what it looks like with the pan out. > > What you see is stock. Nothing added. It is how 'under space' below the > pan looks. > > There should be a couple plywood partial-bulkheads under the cockpit. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the photos. >> I see what you mean. Yours looks great. >> Honestly, I don't know who would do that kind of work or how much it >> would cost. Also, you have an insert. In my boat, the guy put a piece of >> plywood down below, which also looks terrible. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 3/21/22 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >> >> Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. >> >> You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor >> presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan >> needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not >> sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look >> at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - >> https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are >>> alarmed. One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix >>> damage to the hull underneath. >>> Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >>> >>> Ann: >>> >>> Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see >>> the inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? >>> >>> My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was >>> great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock >>> lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. >>> >>> Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the >>> lockers???!!! Really??!! >>> >>> Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. >>> >>> All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. >>> >>> (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>> site! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in >>>> the garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for >>>> sale. I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the >>>> starboard locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I >>>> have since seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put >>>> the anchor in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone >>>> would cut the fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the >>>> locker restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann >>>> Keeton Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>>

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6
by Deane Atherton 18 Aug '22

18 Aug '22

Thanks for centreboard pin stats folks. I’m sourcing rod locally here in Canada. No doubt I’ll find the original pin after I go to the trouble. And Jerry, it is one of your boats. We brought her up from Virginia to Ontario where we explore the north shore of Georgian Bay together. She’s one tough little boat. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Centreboard pin dimensions (John Schinnerer) 2. Re: Registration (WILLIAM CAMPION) 3. M15 for sale in Pennsylvania (Lang Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 14:10:56 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Centreboard pin dimensions To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <bd94cef7-dcc8-a7c9-7ecd-0f5b0e00fc83(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Duckworks has silicon bronze round rod: https://duckworks.com/silicon-bronze-round-rod/ Not cheap, but only fifty cents more than their stainless rod for a foot of 1/2". For the extra fifty cents, you won't have to check it in 80 years... :-) cheers, John On 5/8/22 11:43, jerry montgomery wrote: > If it's one of my boats, it's almost certainly 1/2". I don't remember the length but stick something thru the hole and you can measure it accurately. > > Use bronze if you can find it, otherwise stainless is OK if you change it every 80 years or so. > > ________________________________ > From: Deane Atherton <deanathe(a)hotmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 5:22 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Centreboard pin dimensions > > Hey folks, > > Does anybody know the dimensions of the stainless pin that holds the centreboard. Unfortunately, I misplaced mine while doing a foil repair. > > Cheers, > Deane Atherton > > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 7:03:05 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M15 standing rigging (Jim Sadler) > 2. Registration (Jon Barber) > 3. Re: Registration (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 22:32:53 +0000 > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB38594415C5C12628D91DEEB2D5C59(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam > prd13.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Thanks skippers > Good advice j > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 3:31:20 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Thanks Skipper …..good advice! > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 1:15:46 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Jim: > > Jerry and his crew built near 450 M15s that have the Nicopress eyes and the > thru bolt at the hounds. I can't remember when I've read/heard one of > these failing (I've read/seen the M15 shroud chainplates at the hull joint > failing - one of the bolts because of crevice corrosion). > > The lower machine swag fitting I've also done - using the same tool, > meaning the tool Jerry actually used, to attach the fitting to the wire. > > I've built many M15 standing rigs myself. > > The work is easy and nothing complicated for an competent shop. The West > Marine Rigging locations have trained staff. Same goes for smaller rigging > shops. > > The M15 rig is simple and strong. Folks have bent their masts after > hitting trees and the shrouds survive with no obvious damage (though I > would recommend replacing as they have obviously been stressed). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Fri, May 6, 2022, 12:18 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > >> That’s the problem >> >> How do you know if it was done right until you have lost your mast. >> >> On my M15 the top of the shroud has a mickeymouse crimped fitting with a >> thimble and a thru bolt in the mast. It has served me well for the 40 yr >> I have owned the Pelican. It seem like a similar rigging would work just >> as well at the bottom of the shroud only with "hardware store" cable >> clamps. >> >> As I am rounding the west end of Catalina I would at least not be >> wondering about the workman ship and experience of the technician at West >> Marine. >> >> Does anyone ever load test these? They do this with crane rigging as a >> requirement. >> >> Thanx Dave for your incite on this and everything else you have helped me >> with >> >> I am on a mission to rig the Pelican to sail in the "real ocean" and be >> able to respond to those who ask "Does this cute little boat really go into >> the ocean?" >> >> Capt Jim >> SV. Pelican >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 11:04 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging >> >> Jim: >> >> can't you get a local rigger to do it right? Or send them to a rigger by >> mail? West Marine Rigging, or any rigging shop, can make you a new set. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com >> :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 >> :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ >> :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ >> :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ < >> http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> >> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:32 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes >>> (3) per connection with SS thimbles >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 10:00 AM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging >>> >>> You mean hardware store wire rope clamps like this? >>> >>> https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/chain-and-rope/rope-a >>> nd-chain-accessories/5007037 >>> >>> Or something else? >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> On 5/6/22 08:10, Jim Sadler wrote: >>>> Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Capt Jim >>>> SV Pelican M 15 >>>> >>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - >>> 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 15:45:55 -0700 > From: Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Registration > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <CAFwAWQuL1PoemYSidEUYR+0oeBZuH-baR9HL=60ADmRKoCLLRQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery > sailboat. > Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are > titled? > I have a CA title. > > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 16:02:32 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6WL9nyJ7mKag=-mA087+4AsFZ0W7a8jiGfPHhOfO8pOA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. > > I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up stating > their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery >> sailboat. >> Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are >> titled? >> I have a CA title. >> >> Jon Barber >> Monty17 >> Ol'44 >> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 > ************************************************ -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 21:16:44 -0400 From: WILLIAM CAMPION <wcampion(a)aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration To: dalew <dalew(a)e3digital.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CDC355FD-F5F9-481C-B83A-DC17841D0EFB(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jon, I owned an M-10 for awhile and it was titled as a Montgomery Ward. After I bought the boat I tried to have it corrected but that opened up a whole other can of worms. So I sailed my Montgomery Ward for a few years before I ended up selling her. William Campion > On May 8, 2022, at 4:17 PM, dalew <dalew(a)e3digital.com> wrote: > > Ha! The title for my Minnesota 1980 M17 also says SEAKING and I always wondered where that came from. Now I know! > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration >> Sent: 08 May '22 03:49 >> >> Correction: I just double checked my registration card. Monita is >> registered as a 1979 SEAKING! >> >> SEAKING is the house brand name Montgomery Ward used for their outboard >> motors and other boating gear back in the day. I believe the Seaking >> Motors were actually made by Evinrude. >> >> Not a big deal as it is on the state DNR registration only. No titles for >> boats here in MN. >> >> Henry >> M17 Monita >> >>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 6:46 PM Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yep. Mine is a MonkeyWards. >>> >>> Henry >>> Monita >>> >>>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 6:03 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. >>>> >>>> I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up >>>> stating >>>> their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. >>>> >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>>> site! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery >>>>> sailboat. >>>>> Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats >>>> are >>>>> titled? >>>>> I have a CA title. >>>>> >>>>> Jon Barber >>>>> Monty17 >>>>> Ol'44 >>>>> >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:09:34 -0400 From: Lang Smith <envirogeogprof(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 for sale in Pennsylvania To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <CAOEvHOBgKj8C2R0xHV7K+_gkpKMFjLuAPp-3PYdUed04g3ujyg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 1985 M15 for sale in great shape. New sails, Honda outboard, sail covers, only used lightly for two seasons. Has nice aluminum trailer, but will need homemade trailer title if you plan to license it. Was a Wisconsin boat, where small trailers are not licensed. Located in Grove City, Pennsylvania. Email for photos, more info. $5,900. Lang Smith: envirogeogprof(a)gmail.com -- Follow me on Twitter @Envirogeogprof ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6 ************************************************

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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Help
by E Blohm 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

Interested in obtaining a M17. Erik Sent from my iPhone

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Hull deck joint rehab.
by E Blohm 28 Jun '22

28 Jun '22

Lots of progress on my M17 #248 the last couple of days. In addition to bow to stern cleaning outside/inside I took off mast/standing rigging and inspected and all looks good. I had some inspiration last night to use a heavy polish compound to the heavily oxidized hull to see how well it would work and 4 hours later the hull looks incredible. I’ll leave it as is for now with a polish/wax next spring. The boat is going to a local sandblaster expert tonight for a bottom 3-4 layer paint removal. I’ll seal up a couple through hulls then put a bottom barrier on over winter. I would like to reseal the deck joint since it probably is due for it. Any recommendations as far as that project is concerned? Thanks Erik Sent from my iPhone

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Transom M17
by E Blohm 24 Jun '22

24 Jun '22

Put the boat in water real quick to check CB operation. Up and down 2x no problem. I also let her sit for 30 minutes no leaks either. Cleaned out interior. PO had about 300# of gear stuffed in her. Flooded hull with water/bleach and black mold is gone. Nice and white inside now. First project Fix/reinforcement here! Anyone go down this road yet. Transom is solid with this area pulling away. Erik Sent from my iPhone

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Centerboard jams - update
by Jeff Orlando 24 Jun '22

24 Jun '22

With all the barrier coat and bottom paint removed, holding a straight edge vertically inside the trunk, the opening *at the bottom* is uniformly ~0.020" narrower per side (0.040"+ total) for both sides. The board jams at the very bottom of the slot when raising or lowering. Is that how the boat was built? Maybe to minimize flopping of the centerboard when lowered? This area of the trunk needs to be sanded away to make clearance for bottom paint. Never mind a barrier coat. Jeff

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Re: Centerboard jams - update
by sailhavasu 24 Jun '22

24 Jun '22

I’m just gonna throw in some food for thought. I don’t know if this is correct , just throwing it out there for thought The photo uploaded clearly shows the sides of the trunk not flush with the slot in the keel, but rather , both are pushed inwards towards the center of the slot. Considering that I’m guessing the thickness of the trunk wall ( visible) looks to be about 1/8” , you appear to have lost at least 1/4” plus of slot width. That’s a lot. Because the keel is filled with lead shot impregnated with resin , yes , probing into that seam is gonna hit something hard. However , consider , this is thousands and thousands of individual lead shot , that was “saturated” with resin from the top. Having cut multiples of these keels apart I can tell you the at the shot is not 100% saturated. As such , while you may not be able to probe in very far and it appears solid , a liquid can and will easily infiltrate that mass of shot where it’s not perfectly saturated just like water runs through coffee in coffee filter. Being that it is lead , rust should not be an issue that’s causing swelling. Theoretically the water “should” just run back out. I thought it very insightful though that someone brought up the possibility of water remaining in the keel possibly freezing and expanding. I can totally imagine a scenario where when the keel is full submerged , water will fill any voids, including going “up, around and over “ an area saturated with resin , but possibly not able to go “up and over” to get out ….. then just sitting there?? It’s definitely a plausible scenario. Freeze that water and it’s gonna expand. Not saying that is what happened but it’s definitely a theory. Regardless … SOMETHING has expanded both sides of the keel trunk inwards. And split that bottom seam. My personal take is that needs to be closed up to maintain the integrity of the cavity from further water intrusion. I will end with this. These things are frustrating. A lot of times we never can totally pin down “what” exactly caused the issue. It’s quite often even a question if “did the board swell or did the slot shrink?” I’m pretty sure in your case from your photos and description it appears the latter. Hang in there. These repairs suck and literally can dang near suck the life and enthusiasm out of whoever is having to deal with them. The most important point….. keep the faith! You’ll get there. There’s some really good minds on here and I’ve already seen some of them respond and they’ll help you get it figured out. Hang in there !!

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Fiberglass experts! ?
by E Blohm 23 Jun '22

23 Jun '22

I have this pattern near my port Stern about the size of my outstretched hand. Fiberglass under solid and sounds the same as the rest of hull. Just curious as to what it is. I plan on painting this anyway so cosmetically no concern. Sent from my iPhone

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