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M15 outbard fuel consumption
by Jim Sadler 29 May '22

29 May '22

Do any of you skippers know approx the fuel consumption with 2.3 hp Honda? Thanks Capt Jim M15 Pelican Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Fixed Keel 17
by Jon Barber 25 May '22

25 May '22

Found one for sale. Are they less desirable than the c board modem model? This one has no trailer and has been in the water a long time. It needs painting, but the rig seems to be all there. It has newer sails and standing rigging. It has no sink. Would anyone venture a guess on a valuation? It would be a good boat for SF Bay, or costal passages, baja. I also noticed right away that the mast was curved, concave forward. It had 2 lower shrouds each side mounted to a track. It's different than my boat. The mast did seem raked properly. Photos Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44

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Bedding
by David Hill 16 May '22

16 May '22

I know this has been discussed endlessly in the past, but of course I never wrote it down. What is the best stuff for bedding a deck fitting to keep things dry? Thanks, David

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Buy & sell M17
by Charles Adams 15 May '22

15 May '22

I spent many years flying and owned a number of planes. Love Piper tailwheel AC. Decided I was bored with flying for number of reasons and told my wife such and the next evening taking off lost a front wheel. I had it under control landing on one wheel but hit a bump, grass strip, and drove axel into ground. Flipped plane on top and totaled. Went to ER for a few stitches and told I got it running into a door. Trust me the less told about an AC crash the better. Insurance bought plane. Decision was made for me to move on from flying. Enter the M17 that I had only seen once during the mid 70s and always wanted one. Never was on it but sailed against it in regattas. I also was sailing during flying. I know how to waste money. I wanted something special so found a 2005 M17 in good condition. Second one I had seen. Next Pandemic hits and decide to restore boat. Removing vinyl was most time consuming. Checked sign shop to do it but quoted $400 so decided it would be easy. How wrong I was. I ended up using a disk eraser attached to drill. Next was removing a number of varnish layers. My plan was in fall to sail/motor through NY canals, Hudson River to Potomac River. Decided wise to do masthead antenna for VHF radio and new light for NYC passing. Replaced all rigging with new and all lines to cockpit. Then a Simrad 2000 AP at a cost of $1000. The mount was the expense and I hired it done. Now to the Sell. I’m a bicyclist and after buying M17 clipping along at a good speed hit something that drove me off highway and I exited bike over handle bars. Thankfully my brain still knew how to do a PLF (parachute landing fall) learned 60 years ago. Cost me two broke ribs, punctured lung and broken clavicle. Clavicle became an issue because incompetent Doc decided it didn’t need to be reattached and I lost all sailing for that year and was just told by another Doc it will never heal. Arthritis in shoulder also. The only solution is a replacement. That’s a 6 month heal as I had the other shoulder replaced 7 years ago and I won’t consider it during summer. To sail M17 I would have to keep it in a marina and I’m not a marina person and I want no crew. Not what I bought boat for. I wanted it to move around and rigging it up and down is very painful for me. Based on the facts my decision to sell M17 and move on. During past year I’ve been depressed looking at it set in my hangar and I’m not doing another year. I’m not advertising here just sharing my disappointment since I spent 45 years wanting a M17. The big regret is not being able to learn the boat. I’m 82 with no plans to stop sailing as I have a Drascombe Lugger I bought in England 40 years ago. Many adventures with it. Even though I have problems with my shoulder the Lugger presents no problem. My other is to keep moving so bought E-bike that will give me a 200 mile range with peddle assist. Great for riding canals here and Canada plus can use Lugger also. Did some of the canals in Holland with it. Hopefully I’ve given you a few helpful tips. Charlie Adams Chaada(a)aol.com Sent from my iPad

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M15 for sale in Pennsylvania
by Lang Smith 14 May '22

14 May '22

1985 M15 for sale in great shape. New sails, Honda outboard, sail covers, only used lightly for two seasons. Has nice aluminum trailer, but will need homemade trailer title if you plan to license it. Was a Wisconsin boat, where small trailers are not licensed. Located in Grove City, Pennsylvania. Email for photos, more info. $5,900. Lang Smith: envirogeogprof(a)gmail.com -- Follow me on Twitter @Envirogeogprof

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Registration
by Jon Barber 09 May '22

09 May '22

Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery sailboat. Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are titled? I have a CA title. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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Centreboard pin dimensions
by Deane Atherton 08 May '22

08 May '22

Hey folks, Does anybody know the dimensions of the stainless pin that holds the centreboard. Unfortunately, I misplaced mine while doing a foil repair. Cheers, Deane Atherton Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 7:03:05 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: M15 standing rigging (Jim Sadler) 2. Registration (Jon Barber) 3. Re: Registration (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 22:32:53 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB38594415C5C12628D91DEEB2D5C59(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Thanks skippers Good advice j Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 3:31:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging Thanks Skipper …..good advice! Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 1:15:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging Jim: Jerry and his crew built near 450 M15s that have the Nicopress eyes and the thru bolt at the hounds. I can't remember when I've read/heard one of these failing (I've read/seen the M15 shroud chainplates at the hull joint failing - one of the bolts because of crevice corrosion). The lower machine swag fitting I've also done - using the same tool, meaning the tool Jerry actually used, to attach the fitting to the wire. I've built many M15 standing rigs myself. The work is easy and nothing complicated for an competent shop. The West Marine Rigging locations have trained staff. Same goes for smaller rigging shops. The M15 rig is simple and strong. Folks have bent their masts after hitting trees and the shrouds survive with no obvious damage (though I would recommend replacing as they have obviously been stressed). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, May 6, 2022, 12:18 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > That’s the problem > > How do you know if it was done right until you have lost your mast. > > On my M15 the top of the shroud has a mickeymouse crimped fitting with a > thimble and a thru bolt in the mast. It has served me well for the 40 yr > I have owned the Pelican. It seem like a similar rigging would work just > as well at the bottom of the shroud only with "hardware store" cable > clamps. > > As I am rounding the west end of Catalina I would at least not be > wondering about the workman ship and experience of the technician at West > Marine. > > Does anyone ever load test these? They do this with crane rigging as a > requirement. > > Thanx Dave for your incite on this and everything else you have helped me > with > > I am on a mission to rig the Pelican to sail in the "real ocean" and be > able to respond to those who ask "Does this cute little boat really go into > the ocean?" > > Capt Jim > SV. Pelican > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 11:04 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Jim: > > can't you get a local rigger to do it right? Or send them to a rigger by > mail? West Marine Rigging, or any rigging shop, can make you a new set. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com > :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 > :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ > :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ > :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ < > http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> > :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred > > > > On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:32 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > wrote: > > > Yes > > (3) per connection with SS thimbles > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 10:00 AM > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > > > You mean hardware store wire rope clamps like this? > > > > https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/chain-and-rope/rope-a > > nd-chain-accessories/5007037 > > > > Or something else? > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > On 5/6/22 08:10, Jim Sadler wrote: > > > Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Capt Jim > > > SV Pelican M 15 > > > > > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - > > 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 15:45:55 -0700 From: Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <CAFwAWQuL1PoemYSidEUYR+0oeBZuH-baR9HL=60ADmRKoCLLRQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery sailboat. Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are titled? I have a CA title. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 16:02:32 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6WL9nyJ7mKag=-mA087+4AsFZ0W7a8jiGfPHhOfO8pOA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up stating their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery > sailboat. > Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are > titled? > I have a CA title. > > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 ************************************************

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Re: Registration
by mrh219 07 May '22

07 May '22

NY did that to me. I had to get it corrected by DMV -------- Original message -------- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Date:05/07/2022 7:02 PM (GMT-05:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up stating their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery > sailboat. > Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are > titled? > I have a CA title. > > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 >

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M15 standing rigging
by Jim Sadler 06 May '22

06 May '22

Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea? Thanks Capt Jim SV Pelican M 15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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