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fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Ann: I recommend - Remove the pan. It looks janky. Show the boat without it present. Clean up the area under the cockpit. Vac, scrub, etc. Better would be to paint with Interlux BilgeCoat. Follow prep as outlined on the can. Make sure the edge, from cutting out the pan, isn't sharp. If need sand away edge and burrs with 120g sandpaper. Don't sand the shiny visible bits of gel coat at the edge, just round off any sharps. Like a used car clean boat sells faster and for more money. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 3:05 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here it is.Lighting not great in the garage... > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Ann: > > Share a picture of what it looks like with the pan out. > > What you see is stock. Nothing added. It is how 'under space' below the > pan looks. > > There should be a couple plywood partial-bulkheads under the cockpit. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the photos. >> I see what you mean. Yours looks great. >> Honestly, I don't know who would do that kind of work or how much it >> would cost. Also, you have an insert. In my boat, the guy put a piece of >> plywood down below, which also looks terrible. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 3/21/22 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >> >> Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. >> >> You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor >> presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan >> needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not >> sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look >> at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - >> https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are >>> alarmed. One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix >>> damage to the hull underneath. >>> Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >>> >>> Ann: >>> >>> Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see >>> the inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? >>> >>> My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was >>> great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock >>> lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. >>> >>> Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the >>> lockers???!!! Really??!! >>> >>> Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. >>> >>> All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. >>> >>> (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>> site! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in >>>> the garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for >>>> sale. I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the >>>> starboard locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I >>>> have since seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put >>>> the anchor in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone >>>> would cut the fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the >>>> locker restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann >>>> Keeton Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>>

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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Re: new battery
by Dave Scobie 29 Mar '22

29 Mar '22

Daniel: On my M17 I used a Costco deep cycle wet lead group 24. Was 9 years old and working fine when I sold SWEET PEA. I set up most of the Sage 17s with either wet cell or AGM group 24s. Found West Marine a good option as if any problems can easy find a store for warranty support. On the second SageCat, first production boat, I set up an electrical system that used a small U-1 AGM battery. Was fine for a 3-day 'weekend' of electricity. LiFePO4 batteries are an option but require a new charging system along with battery management if you are replacing a lead type battery. Prices are dropping, reliability is increasing, and if you get the rated lifetime out of the battery are cheaper over lifetime v lead types. LiFePO4 also provided more power in less space and weight. In addition you also need to make a decision on how much power you will use, and how and how often you will regenerate power. I spent 10 weeks on my M17 and using a 30watt solar panel had plenty of electricity for my simple needs (less than 8amps used each 24 hours). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 10:50 AM Daniel Boyd <boyddaniel(a)hotmail.com> wrote: ... any recommendations for a new battery? ________________________________

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M boat lifting sling
by Jon Barber 29 Mar '22

29 Mar '22

I found this drawing online. It is for a 17. I would use a piece of 4x6 df with thru bolted eyes, one on each end and one on the opposite side in the middle. It should be a bit shorter than the length of the keel. Hang it from the crane and use 3" wide ratchet straps, one in front and one in back of the keel. You can rig it and then use the ratchets to adjust the load. I think the straps are rated at 1650# each, so they are over kill. That's OK. Lifting my boat I want over kill! I have never done this! Use at your own risk! Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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M15 hoist lifting bridle or sling
by David Grah 25 Mar '22

25 Mar '22

Hey there, Tyler. I have no experience with hoists (though have been interested in the hoist at Avila Beach since there is no ramp there either) though remember when I repainted the bottom of my Montgomery 15, and based on recommendations from this group, I lifted from the rear holes on the "chain plate" brackets the shrouds connect to. That left the boat a little stern-heavy so I needed something to provide a little bit of support to hold the stern up. Although loads for this purpose were almost static compared to what might be somewhat dynamic loads on a hoist, it worked well. I suppose this same approach could work with a hoist. David GrahBishop California Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: casioqv(a)usermail.com Subject: M_Boats: M15 hoist lifting bridle or sling To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <646072963.340598461.1648153990259.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi All, My yacht club doesn't have a boat ramp, but does have a hoist for lifting sailboats that I am interested in trying with my M15. The hoist is a single point (hook). Does anyone here have any experience or suggestions on what type of lifting bridle or sling I could use for an M15? Would it be okay to lift by the chainplates, or should I plan on straps that go under the hull? Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 Defiant

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Help with selling modified M 15
by abkeeton 22 Mar '22

22 Mar '22

Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in the garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for sale. I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the starboard locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I have since seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put the anchor in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone would cut the fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the locker restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann Keeton Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 21 Mar '22

21 Mar '22

Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are alarmed. > One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix damage to the > hull underneath. > Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Ann: > > Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see the > inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? > > My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was > great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock > lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. > > Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the > lockers???!!! Really??!! > > Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. > > All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. > > (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in the >> garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for sale. >> I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the starboard >> locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I have since >> seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put the anchor >> in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone would cut the >> fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the locker >> restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann Keeton Sent >> from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > >

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 21 Mar '22

21 Mar '22

Ann: Share a picture of what it looks like with the pan out. What you see is stock. Nothing added. It is how 'under space' below the pan looks. There should be a couple plywood partial-bulkheads under the cockpit. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks for the photos. > I see what you mean. Yours looks great. > Honestly, I don't know who would do that kind of work or how much it > would cost. Also, you have an insert. In my boat, the guy put a piece of > plywood down below, which also looks terrible. > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. > > You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor > presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan > needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not > sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look > at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - > https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are >> alarmed. One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix >> damage to the hull underneath. >> Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >> >> Ann: >> >> Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see the >> inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? >> >> My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was >> great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock >> lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. >> >> Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the >> lockers???!!! Really??!! >> >> Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. >> >> All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. >> >> (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in the >>> garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for sale. >>> I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the starboard >>> locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I have since >>> seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put the anchor >>> in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone would cut the >>> fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the locker >>> restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann Keeton Sent >>> from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >>

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M15 out haul
by Jim Sadler 21 Mar '22

21 Mar '22

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