March 2021 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 217, Issue 2
by James Horton 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Got it. On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 20:06 , <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server Members > (Gail Russell) > 2. Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server Members > (Gaeton) > 3. Test message received (Bruce Chmieleski) > 4. Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server Members > (tdelacy(a)wavecable.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:13:24 -0800 > From: Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server > Members > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAKCiK2JBee0FDBtik3mtbpQ6nkCGYZgMePXjHraawMXQvtNYwQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Got it. > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 4:51 PM Keith R. Martin < > keith.richard.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > A couple of days ago I sent a message (see below) out on the list to let > > folks know that the xmission list server that supports our list was being > > upgraded... > > > > With the exception of the archives, that work is now complete... > > > > Could I ask members to respond back to this thread so that I can confirm > > that list messages are indeed being received by you folks.... > > > > Many thanks.... > > > > Best Regards & Fair Winds > > > > Keith > > *Keith R. Martin* > > > > *Vancouver/Burnaby B.C.* > > > > *Serenity M17, #353* > > > > *http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105 > > <http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105>* > > *Admin: Montgomery_boats List Server* > > > > ----------------- > > > > Hello Folks, > > > > This is a quick note to let our Monty community know that after a very > long > > wait, I have just received notice from xmission.com that the email list > > server software that has powered our *montgomery_boats* list since Keith > > Diehl first set it up is now in the process of being upgraded. Things > might > > be a bit bumpy for a few days or so please be patient. The new software > > also holds the promise of restoring a functioning searchable archive... > > Below is a copy of the message I received from xmission today... > > > > > > > > > > > > *"The Mailman software at XMission for https://mailman.xmission.com > > <https://mailman.xmission.com> has seen its most significant upgrade in > 20 > > years. All of the old lists, with their subscribers, and hopefully their > > subscriber settings (moderated, etc) have been imported into the new > > software. The last 20 years of Mailman archives are being slowly > imported > > into a new archiver, "Hyperkitty" which is significantly cleaner, > smarter, > > and all-around better than the old archiver, "Lurker". There may be a > > chance that the archives which preceded the 2001 installation of Mailman > > may be imported into their respective lists as well."* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 20:19:47 -0500 > From: Gaeton <gaeton(a)optonline.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server > Members > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <795622A6-78AB-4DC6-A4AC-331390879E4E(a)optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Received loud snd clear > Gaeton Andretta > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Keith R. Martin < > keith.richard.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > thanks.... > > > > Best Regards & Fair Winds > > > > Keith > > *Keith R. Martin* > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:24:10 -0800 > From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Test message received > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <E33FE37F-A2A7-4E6C-BDE5-2F732DC0AC0F(a)sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Received. Thanks. > > Bruce > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:13:33 -0800 > From: <tdelacy(a)wavecable.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server > Members > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <000001d7059b$a96d47a0$fc47d6e0$(a)wavecable.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Mr. Martin. > > Sincerely appreciate your efforts. > > Hope to start restoration of my M17 within the very near future. > > This community will be very helpful. > > Tim de Lacy > Waterbound M17, will have to look at the hull when the snow clears for > hull # 😊 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 4:50 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server Members > > Hi folks, > > A couple of days ago I sent a message (see below) out on the list to let > folks know that the xmission list server that supports our list was being > upgraded... > > With the exception of the archives, that work is now complete... > > Could I ask members to respond back to this thread so that I can confirm > that list messages are indeed being received by you folks.... > > Many thanks.... > > Best Regards & Fair Winds > > Keith > *Keith R. Martin* > > *Vancouver/Burnaby B.C.* > > *Serenity M17, #353* > > *http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105 > <http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105>* > *Admin: Montgomery_boats List Server* > > ----------------- > > Hello Folks, > > This is a quick note to let our Monty community know that after a very > long wait, I have just received notice from xmission.com that the email > list server software that has powered our *montgomery_boats* list since > Keith Diehl first set it up is now in the process of being upgraded. Things > might be a bit bumpy for a few days or so please be patient. The new > software also holds the promise of restoring a functioning searchable > archive... > Below is a copy of the message I received from xmission today... > > > > > > *"The Mailman software at XMission for https://mailman.xmission.com < > https://mailman.xmission.com> has seen its most significant upgrade in 20 > years. All of the old lists, with their subscribers, and hopefully their > subscriber settings (moderated, etc) have been imported into the new > software. The last 20 years of Mailman archives are being slowly imported > into a new archiver, "Hyperkitty" which is significantly cleaner, smarter, > and all-around better than the old archiver, "Lurker". There may be a > chance that the archives which preceded the 2001 installation of Mailman > may be imported into their respective lists as well."* > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 217, Issue 2 > ************************************************ >

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Oar Length for an M15 / Location of Oar Sockets
by brad kurlancheek 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

> > Here's some pictures (links below) of where I installed the oar sockets for my M15. They're about halfway between the companionway and transom. They're screwed into the outer side of the coaming, using 6" stainless steel bolts, with a 1/4" wooden backing plate on each side of the coaming. Ultimately I covered the exposed bolts with tape and rubber covers so as not to snag self on same. They are the side socket types, as compared to top sockets. The oar locks I used were metal gull-shaped ones, open on the top, rather than closed loop type oarlocks. Closed loop oarlocks didn't let me raise the oar handle high enough to get a great enough angle so as to have the oar blade make contact with the water. With 8 1/2' oars, and the blades barely touching the water, was able to move the M15 1.5 mph in flat water. Am hopeful with long enough oars, to get 2 to 2.5. Just not sure if 9.5' will be enough. Have considered sculling but I believe a sculling oar for my M15 would need to be as long as, or longer than the Monty, and that's just too much oar to be lugging around. Oars that can be broken down into two pieces seems more practical. Thanks to all. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1161tV8j0cygDChB01NtaSXAL5rcqT-NF/view?usp=… https://drive.google.com/file/d/116RT1xwSWg-4RU717jwKe81aix-bZuP_/view?usp=… https://drive.google.com/file/d/11H6H8LrJs-U2gbh0eXcsL4uxk-vSLmMv/view?usp=…

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Genoa for Montgomery 17
by Edward Cazier 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

Hi all - I know that others have asked the question, but I can’t find the response in my email. Who is a recommended sail maker for the Montgomery 17? I’ve ordered in the past from Hyde Sails, through Judy B, but she seems to be on sabbatical at the moment, as she doesn’t answer her email. My local sail maker (Banks Sails in Kemah, TX) is swamped, and can’t get sail cloth, so I need to try somewhere else. There are lots of outfits online, but would like to go with someone tried and true. I’m looking for a 135% genoa to accompany my current working jib. Should run me around $700 - 800. Thanks, Ed

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Sails for M-17
by John Taussig 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

I got a new set last summer from Yager Sails in Spokane that I like. He has made a lot of sails for M17 - his web site even features an M-17! John M-17 #375 Sick Chicken Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 28, 2021, at 3:13 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Genoa for Montgomery 17 (Gary.perser) > 2. Re: sculling (was - Re: Oar Length for an M15) (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: Oar Length for an M15 (Edward Epifani) > 4. Re: Oar Length for an M15 (John Schinnerer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:56:13 -0600 > From: "Gary.perser" <gary.perser(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Genoa for Montgomery 17 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <97291D7D-0A7A-4D79-931B-DA821373F74A(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The original sails, Main & Roller furling 150, on my ‘05 M17 are by Elliott/Pattison in Newport Beach. The sails are still in service and the company is still in business. > >> On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all - I know that others have asked the question, but I can’t find the response in my email. >> >> Who is a recommended sail maker for the Montgomery 17? I’ve ordered in the past from Hyde Sails, through Judy B, but she seems to be on sabbatical at the moment, as she doesn’t answer her email. My local sail maker (Banks Sails in Kemah, TX) is swamped, and can’t get sail cloth, so I need to try somewhere else. >> >> There are lots of outfits online, but would like to go with someone tried and true. >> >> I’m looking for a 135% genoa to accompany my current working jib. Should run me around $700 - 800. >> >> Thanks, Ed > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:59:59 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: sculling (was - Re: Oar Length for an M15) > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <633d105b-327b-93a9-d9fd-73324f07284b(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I collected some good links on sculling a couple years ago but they are > dead now mostly. If anyone turns up good stuff searching please post here... > > This device is very useful: > https://duckworks.com/scullmatix/ > > I bought one and I have mounted an oarlock on the transom opposite the > outboard side on my M17. I used one of these heavy duty nylon > inexpensive oarlocks for testing purposes, unfortunately Duckworks says > the angle mount bracket is no longer available: > https://duckworks.com/seadog-nylon-oarlocks-sockets/ > > ...so you'd have to get a metal one. But these are plenty sturdy at > least for proof of concept. > I got a sturdy wooden tamper handle from local hardware store for > sculling handle side of the device. > > It works, except that I need a longer oar for the scull, given the > height of the M17 transom. I had some 6 ft oars so I used one just to > test it out. That is at least a couple feet too short to work well, but > enough to indicate that it would work if I had an 8 ft or 9 ft oar. > > Won't go fast, but will move the boat for stuff like entering a glassy > cove or in/out of becalmed dock or marina, etc. > > See my next post for another option I use for that kind of situation. > > cheers, > John > >> On 2/28/21 2:15 PM, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats wrote: >> Pinterest has some excellent example of sculling oars. >> >> Charlie >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Rimantas Aukstuolis <raukstuolis1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am fooling around with the concept of a sculling oar rigged on to my M-15 >>> outboard bracket. My concern is what to do with massive oars when sailing. >>> I have a canoe paddle, on to which I have attached, with adjustable metal >>> straps, an equal length piece of oak handrail (as used on stairs.). I >>> simply loosen the straps and pull out the handrail and I have about an 8' >>> oar. I have yet to use it. This summer, I'll report on how it works. >>> Rimas "Ray" Aukstuolis >>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:27 PM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would like to install oar locks on my M-15. Where do you buy them, and >>>> because I am a disaster at DYI, where would I get them installed in the >>>> Puget Sound area? >>>> Steve >>>> M-15 # 335 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: brad kurlancheek >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 9:52 AM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>> Subject: M_Boats: Oar Length for an M15 >>>> >>>> Hello all. Wondering if anyone's successfully >>>> used oars on their Monty 15. I have oarlocks installed >>>> on the coaming, flush with the coaming deck. I put a wood >>>> bench across the seats near the companionway and sit on it. >>>> I tried using 8 1/2' oars, and it was a no-go. Too short. >>>> Blades barely brushed the surface of the water. Am wondering >>>> if anyone's tried 9 1/2' oars with any success on their M15. >>>> Or 10 1/2'. The oar length calculators suggest something closer >>>> to 10 than 9. But if I can get away with 9 1/2', I will. Thank you. >>>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 23:12:30 +0000 > From: Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Oar Length for an M15 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: "bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > Message-ID: <CO1PR10MB4771CDB47C916317BE3B909FB29B9(a)CO1PR10MB4771.nam > prd10.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Duckworks in Port Townsend Wa has carbon fiber oar sleeves to construct or convert a pair of breakdown oars. They could probably find a boat repair person, the town is full of artisan/ boat crafters. I’m thinking aluminum shafts, perhaps carbon fiber, for me. > Could make a break down yuloh. > Modest goals for rowing work, as in calm no wind. Not going to save ones butt on a lee shore like a motor. Docking, etc, works. > Ed M-15 Murre > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 28, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Rimantas Aukstuolis <raukstuolis1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am fooling around with the concept of a sculling oar rigged on to my M-15 >> outboard bracket. My concern is what to do with massive oars when sailing. >> I have a canoe paddle, on to which I have attached, with adjustable metal >> straps, an equal length piece of oak handrail (as used on stairs.). I >> simply loosen the straps and pull out the handrail and I have about an 8' >> oar. I have yet to use it. This summer, I'll report on how it works. >> Rimas "Ray" Aukstuolis >> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:27 PM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would like to install oar locks on my M-15. Where do you buy them, and >>> because I am a disaster at DYI, where would I get them installed in the >>> Puget Sound area? >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: brad kurlancheek >>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 9:52 AM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: M_Boats: Oar Length for an M15 >>> >>> Hello all. Wondering if anyone's successfully >>> used oars on their Monty 15. I have oarlocks installed >>> on the coaming, flush with the coaming deck. I put a wood >>> bench across the seats near the companionway and sit on it. >>> I tried using 8 1/2' oars, and it was a no-go. Too short. >>> Blades barely brushed the surface of the water. Am wondering >>> if anyone's tried 9 1/2' oars with any success on their M15. >>> Or 10 1/2'. The oar length calculators suggest something closer >>> to 10 than 9. But if I can get away with 9 1/2', I will. Thank you. >>> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 15:13:17 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Oar Length for an M15 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <b958e7c2-f661-9cae-f4cd-6ca2709462bf(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > There are 2-piece long oars available. Check river rafting suppliers. > They are used for stowable spares in those situations. Carlisle is one > major brand. > > If you look up the M17 that was in the first Race to Alaska, he rigged > full on rower's oars with outriggers off the side of the boat, and a > sliding seat no less. Probably more than most of us would want to bother > with... > >> On 2

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