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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Window Glazing Material
by Rob Bultman 05 Apr '21

05 Apr '21

Hello Folks, I have a leaky port window on my 1977 M17. These windows have the two-part aluminum frame with the exterior frame holding the "glass" and an inner frame which screws into the exterior frame from the inside, holding the window in place. I managed to get the window out of the hull and the "glass" out of the frame. The window glazing that holds the glass to the frame is very brittle and in one location completely gone. The exterior frame that holds the glass has a single cut in the frame that allowed the window to be removed with a little force applied to open frame. I'm looking for a replacement for the window glazing. Is there a recommended source for this? Would something like this work? https://www.amazon.com/Gray-Glazing-Vinyl-Glass-Thickness/dp/B00O8ZUM6K?th=1 I also saw this kit from Catalina. https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-25/hatches-ports/gaske… If the glazing is not a watertight seal and some sealant is still required, I don't know how I could seal it without making a huge mess, given that the window frame is a single piece with the one slit. At this point I'd like to retain the original aluminum frames and window, but I'm open to suggestions. I've seen the replacement project on Audasea on the photo site. I saw another (non-M boat) where spacers were used to push the window away from the outer edge and butyl caulk used as glazing and sealant in the space created by the spaces. (I think the spacers were temporary.) Thanks in advance for responses. Regards, Rob M17 FIN

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Test - trying to send email to Montgomery Group
by Gary Froeschner 27 Mar '21

27 Mar '21

I’m still trying to get this to work. Please ignore this email. Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Anybody home?
by brad kurlancheek 23 Mar '21

23 Mar '21

Been a few weeks since i've seen a post, thot i'd better check. Thanks

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Why even bother with oars on a Monty 15
by brad kurlancheek 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

Some people might wonder, why would you even want to row a Montgomery 15 sailboat. Here's my reasons why, just for the sake of discussion... 1) Granted, a Montomery 15 will sail with just the lightest of winds. But sometimes, you don't even have that. You have nothing. Flat calm glass mirror nothing. We've all been there. And yet, you want to go somewhere. What to do? Easy. Crank up the motor. Okay, but.... 2) Some of us don't want to have a motor on our boat. They're loud. You need to have gasoline in them or near them. They push the transom down into the water, adding weight and drag. Motoring is not sailing. Anyone can motor. They're automated propulsion requiring very little challenge or thought. Sometimes, they're kind of like cheating. On the other hand, I do agree, sometimes there's nothing better than fossil fuel powered automation and power to get you from A to B! For sure. 3) I need exercise when living on a boat for four, five, six days, sometimes more. Sailing gives me some exercise, but not as much as I seem to need, and yoga - well I don't have a clue how to do it, yet. Rowing a boat for 30 to 60 minutes gives me that aerobic time I seem to need in order to maintain some bare semblance of sanity. Else I get cranky and moody, etc. I don't happily and cheerily wave to the rude motorboaters. Instead I yell naughty 4 ltr words to their so called skippers that they can't hear as they boom by, their obnoxious wake knocking my soon-to-be-dinner off its little burner stand. But if beforehand, I've rowed for a good while, instead I calmly say, "Oh what a pretty superglam showboat you have. I realize it takes zero brains to operate, and I know it cost you 80 G's, but it's so boss looking! No, it's no problem at all that you're doing 40 mph so close to my tiny little sailboat. It's a blast almost getting capsized by your wake. Have fun!" 4) Oars and rowing are a great Plan B, for when the motor goes T-up. It just seems like good seamanship to have them on board when in a small sailboat. It's not like we're trying to row a 20 or 30 something foot boat here. The Monty's only 15'! It should therefore be rowable, imho....w/oars and oarlocks and sockets practically standard equipment. Cheers, - Brad

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 217, Issue 5
by Cap Keith 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Keith, Received the information, thanks! Keith K > On Mar 2, 2021, at 9:11 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server Members > (Lawrence Winiarski) > 2. Re: Oar Length for an M15 (Lawrence Winiarski) > 3. Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server Members > (Glenn Anderson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 00:52:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server > Members > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <1050079019.1049408.1614732744670(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Got it. Thanks. > > > > On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 4:50:51 PM PST, Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > A couple of days ago I sent a message (see below) out on the list to let > folks know that the xmission list server that supports our list was being > upgraded... > > With the exception of the archives, that work is now complete... > > Could I ask members to respond back to this thread so that I can confirm > that list messages are indeed being received by you folks.... > > Many thanks.... > > Best Regards & Fair Winds > > Keith > *Keith R. Martin* > > *Vancouver/Burnaby B.C.* > > *Serenity M17, #353* > > *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msogphotosite.com%2FScripts%2FBoats%2Fboatsdetail.php%3Fid%3D105&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb7c2fd7274c44f6423cc08d8dde9a329%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637503342823837472%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=sBWBrtj1imV54R4aNTeFB3zB2xpOgmMGGAHq9RU8UUg%3D&reserved=0 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msogpho…>* > *Admin: Montgomery_boats List Server* > > ----------------- > > Hello Folks, > > This is a quick note to let our Monty community know that after a very long > wait, I have just received notice from xmission.com that the email list > server software that has powered our *montgomery_boats* list since Keith > Diehl first set it up is now in the process of being upgraded. Things might > be a bit bumpy for a few days or so please be patient. The new software > also holds the promise of restoring a functioning searchable archive... > Below is a copy of the message I received from xmission today... > > > > > > *"The Mailman software at XMission for https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.xm… > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.xm…> has seen its most significant upgrade in 20 > years. All of the old lists, with their subscribers, and hopefully their > subscriber settings (moderated, etc) have been imported into the new > software. The last 20 years of Mailman archives are being slowly imported > into a new archiver, "Hyperkitty" which is significantly cleaner, smarter, > and all-around better than the old archiver, "Lurker". There may be a > chance that the archives which preceded the 2001 installation of Mailman > may be imported into their respective lists as well."* > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:06:17 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Oar Length for an M15 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: Charles Adams <chaada(a)aol.com> > Message-ID: <1953173631.1052776.1614733577110(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > A friend of mine tried putting a sculling oar on his M15. Neither of us at the time new much about sculling, but nonetheless the results were not very impressive. We were not able to proceed very well agains a light current or moderate breeze. YMMV. The regular oars though are pretty practical. I could see going several miles (which I did on the salish 100, although it is a little tiring). sculling didn't seem like a very practical solution. The technique though is good to learn just for close quarter maneuvering and just do it by hand without using the oarlock. > > > > > On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 2:16:19 PM PST, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Pinterest has some excellent example of sculling oars. > > Charlie > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Rimantas Aukstuolis <raukstuolis1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am fooling around with the concept of a sculling oar rigged on to my M-15 >> outboard bracket. My concern is what to do with massive oars when sailing. >> I have a canoe paddle, on to which I have attached, with adjustable metal >> straps, an equal length piece of oak handrail (as used on stairs.). I >> simply loosen the straps and pull out the handrail and I have about an 8' >> oar. I have yet to use it. This summer, I'll report on how it works. >> Rimas "Ray" Aukstuolis >> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:27 PM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would like to install oar locks on my M-15. Where do you buy them, and >>> because I am a disaster at DYI, where would I get them installed in the >>> Puget Sound area? >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: brad kurlancheek >>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 9:52 AM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: M_Boats: Oar Length for an M15 >>> >>> Hello all. Wondering if anyone's successfully >>> used oars on their Monty 15. I have oarlocks installed >>> on the coaming, flush with the coaming deck. I put a wood >>> bench across the seats near the companionway and sit on it. >>> I tried using 8 1/2' oars, and it was a no-go. Too short. >>> Blades barely brushed the surface of the water. Am wondering >>> if anyone's tried 9 1/2' oars with any success on their M15. >>> Or 10 1/2'. The oar length calculators suggest something closer >>> to 10 than 9. But if I can get away with 9 1/2', I will. Thank you. >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 18:10:44 -0800 > From: Glenn Anderson <ganderson1923(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server > Members > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <178F40A6-F99F-40FC-ADBD-EAC1085DB8F7(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sure, got it—and thanks. Glenn Anderson > >> On Mar 2, 2021, at 16:52, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> Got it. Thanks. >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 4:50:51 PM PST, Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> A couple of days ago I sent a message (see below) out on the list to let >> folks know that the xmission list server that supports our list was being >> upgraded... >> >> With the exception of the archives, that work is now complete... >> >> Could I ask members to respond back to this thread so that I can confirm >> that list messages are indeed being received by you folks.... >> >> Many thanks.... >> >> Best Regards & Fair Winds >> >> Keith >> *Keith R. Martin* >> >> *Vancouver/Burnaby B.C.* >> >> *Serenity M17, #353* >> >> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msogphotosite.com%2FScripts%2FBoats%2Fboatsdetail.php%3Fid%3D105&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb7c2fd7274c44f6423cc08d8dde9a329%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637503342823847466%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=5NN3YSvOQ7RIVRkPoDLgCI3nQXFHlE1mwCCN9npdRTs%3D&reserved=0 >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msogpho…>* >> *Admin: Montgomery_boats List Server* >> >> ----------------- >> >> Hello Folks, >> >> This is a quick note to let our Monty community know that after a very long >> wait, I have just received notice from xmission.com that the email list >> server software that has powered our *montgomery_boats* list since Keith >> Diehl first set it up is now in the process of being upgraded. Things might >> be a bit bumpy for a few days or so please be patient. The new software >> also holds the promise of restoring a functioning searchable archive... >> Below is a copy of the message I received from xmission today... >> >> >> >> >> >> *"The Mailman software at XMission for https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.xm… >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.xm…> has seen its most significant upgrade in 20 >> years. All of the old lists, with their subscribers, and hopefully their >> subscriber settings (moderated, etc) have been imported into the new >> software. The last 20 years of Mailman archives are being slowly imported >> into a new archiver, "Hyperkitty" which is significantly cleaner, smarter, >> and all-around better than the old archiver, "Lurker". There may be a >> chance that the archives which preceded the 2001 installation of Mailman >> may be imported into their respective lists as well."* >> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 217, Issue 5 > ************************************************

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Test message to Montgomery Sailboat List Server Members
by Keith R. Martin 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Hi folks, A couple of days ago I sent a message (see below) out on the list to let folks know that the xmission list server that supports our list was being upgraded... With the exception of the archives, that work is now complete... Could I ask members to respond back to this thread so that I can confirm that list messages are indeed being received by you folks.... Many thanks.... Best Regards & Fair Winds Keith *Keith R. Martin* *Vancouver/Burnaby B.C.* *Serenity M17, #353* *http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105 <http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105>* *Admin: Montgomery_boats List Server* ----------------- Hello Folks, This is a quick note to let our Monty community know that after a very long wait, I have just received notice from xmission.com that the email list server software that has powered our *montgomery_boats* list since Keith Diehl first set it up is now in the process of being upgraded. Things might be a bit bumpy for a few days or so please be patient. The new software also holds the promise of restoring a functioning searchable archive... Below is a copy of the message I received from xmission today... *"The Mailman software at XMission for https://mailman.xmission.com <https://mailman.xmission.com> has seen its most significant upgrade in 20 years. All of the old lists, with their subscribers, and hopefully their subscriber settings (moderated, etc) have been imported into the new software. The last 20 years of Mailman archives are being slowly imported into a new archiver, "Hyperkitty" which is significantly cleaner, smarter, and all-around better than the old archiver, "Lurker". There may be a chance that the archives which preceded the 2001 installation of Mailman may be imported into their respective lists as well."*

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Oar Length for an M15
by brad kurlancheek 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Hello all. Wondering if anyone's successfully used oars on their Monty 15. I have oarlocks installed on the coaming, flush with the coaming deck. I put a wood bench across the seats near the companionway and sit on it. I tried using 8 1/2' oars, and it was a no-go. Too short. Blades barely brushed the surface of the water. Am wondering if anyone's tried 9 1/2' oars with any success on their M15. Or 10 1/2'. The oar length calculators suggest something closer to 10 than 9. But if I can get away with 9 1/2', I will. Thank you.

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Re: oar length
by Bruce Chmieleski 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Fyi on sizing oars. They also do great work. I have a pair of their wide blade spoons for my Adirondack Guide Boat. They also make sculling oars up to 21 feet! https://www.shawandtenney.com/how-size-your-oars Bruce Sent by mental telepathy!

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test message got it
by carlos navarro 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

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