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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Re rig
by Jon Barber 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

Has anyone rerigged their 17 with dyneema? I am considering rerigging my boat and would be interested in any tutorials or ideas. Thanks, Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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Anchoring m 15
by sheppardtb 03 Nov '21

03 Nov '21

I have a M 15 and would like " blow by blow" on anchoring from cockpit.Dave Scobie and others might help me out.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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Re: M17s are regatta boats
by Charles Adams 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

Comment why I think M17 is a regatta boat. I was living and sailing in TX when the M17 first started production. I was sailing regattas at the time. The M17s I seen sailed with a crew of 2-3 and seem to always win. The one, 2005, I bought three years ago was sailed only in regattas. My little experience with it and based on previous boats I’ve owned it is the most tender. Maybe I’m spoiled from balancing my Lugger and it stays there. Tanzer 22 also. Different boats different purpose. I believe a tender boat is what you want for racing. I crewed on J boats when they were the hottest thing in regattas and never knew anyone try to sail one singlehanded. The J’s were certainly regatta boats. For me the M17/cockpit seats appear lower than other boats I’ve owned. That makes changing sides more difficult. I’m 5’8” and not as agile as I wish. Having written all that the boat is still to new for me to give any fair comment on the M17. My comment on regatta boat was a casual comment made like when drinking beer when you are most smart. I don’t drink beer for that reason. Certainly apologize to Jerry if I have misrepresented his boat. Of course if it isn’t a regatta boat why has it been able to win so often against bigger boats. I also say any boat is what you want to be. What I have done to mine since my plan is to enjoy the boat. Frist is get rid of the roller fulling and agree with Tyler with his comments on its effect. Have not sailed without the roller fuller which I think is to heavy and makes the boat out of balance with only my weight. I have changed the winches to Harkin 15s because my first and most dislike of the boat were the winches. Controlling the boat with fuller totally out with the winches was close to impossible. Another reason for my comment of regatta boat and crew. Because of cockpit configuration I cut 10” off tiller because it was restricting my movement. Use a tiller extension. I then decided what the hell and installed a Simrad TP10 AP. I sailed a Catalina 320 singled handed a number of years made easy with AP. First thing I did on M17 was run all lines to cockpit. I’m in the process of installing a raising and lowering system for mast I seen on YouTube. As I wrote I don’t want to be in a marina. Everything I do is to make it so I never want another person on the boat. I have a great wife and kids but my boat time is my alone time and I don’t need someone to talk with all the time. I will give you a report on how all I’ve done in the spring. Confident it will all come together. Expecting snow in upper NY next week. Appreciate the the opportunity to clarify my comment and would like any comments on what I am doing with my M17. Name of Boat, Who Dares. Comes from motto, total motto is Who Dares Wins, of a special British unit, SAS, I served in where I trained with John Ridgeway, 1967, who with Blyth had just finished rowing across the Atlantic in 1966. A 20 ft plywood boat taking 92 days. Interesting to hear about it and most interesting was amount of money they made. Thanks Dave. Charlie Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Charlie: > > M17 designed for regatta sailing not for single handing? I don't understand > your comment. Please add some detail so I can better understand your point > of view. > > Thanks. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 6:25 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I agree with all Tyler’s comments concerning roller fullering. I sailed a > Tanzer 22 many years starting on Puget Sound, Chesapeake, and Lake Ontario > with only a jib. Then owned a new Catalina 320 with roller fullering that > worked good but had problems. Boat that size roller fullering a must but > never comes down or up. I bought my M17 three years ago and it had a roller > fuller. The first time l launched boat, wife and I, was a horror story and > by standers had to help us. Heavy is an understatement especially getting > mast in step. Went into Marina. Second season same problem and I stopped > trying and went to a Marina for help. Didn’t sail much first season because > of broken shoulder. Second year more sailing but never liked the roller for > all the reasons Tyler gave. I do not like marinas but because of roller > fuller forget trailering. The boat was used for racing on Chesapeake. This > season I will trailer and use only a jib and a 130 if I want it. > > Simplicity is the only way. I’ve been sailing a Drascombe Lugger I bought > at factory in England 40 years ago. It’s been all over Europe, plus all the > places I had the Tanzer. It has a very simple roller fuller and never an > issue. > > I bought the M17 for cabin. I’ve added a number of things to my M17 making > it easy for single handing but as I type this I am off and on about just > selling. What stops me is I have put a lot of money into it making > upgrades. It’s a 2005 and returned to better than new as far as I am > concerned. So far the M17 is not what I expected but have enjoyed working > on it at the expense of sailing. I know it was designed for the regatta > world which for me means crew. I will only sail singlehanded and have no > interest in a crew. > > Charlie

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Beating Out of a J Shaped Cove against Strong Westerlies
by brad kurlancheek 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

This was 2 weeks ago. Picture a J shaped cove, with winds from the west, 15 to 20, gusting 30. I was anchored with my M15 at the bottom of the scoop, and so had good enough protection from those westerlies. But it was time to go. My goal was to sail out of the scoop of the J, northwest, then turn left 180 to 210 degrees, to come around outside the bottom of the J, and have an easy run eastward for several miles. I couldn't recall ever sailing solo in that kind of wind before. I double reefed before weighing anchor. Looked at the whitecaps forming, out there, beyond the scoop. Left the jib down, secured to hull, in its jib bag. Bad idea. Once I climbed high enough northwestwards inside the J for the westerlies to hit in earnest, I found I could no longer tack. Ahull to the wind - as I had no motor - mainsheet loose, I raised the jib. By that time (had to go forward to remove the jib cover!) we'd nearly drifted back to where we'd started. Began tacking back and forth, and to my delight we were actually making progress to windward, tack by tack, more and more up out of the bottom scoop of the J. Once high enough, there was only one tack where I had to chicken gybe, as I couldn't complete the tack against the 20 to 30 winds and was too close to shore to do otherwise. But after about 45 minutes of tacking, we'd made it far enough out of the scoop of the J, to the northwest, where a long slow 2 to 3 mph beam reach to the south, into whitecaps, had us safely out of the J, coming along even with its bottom, to where we could finally turn counterclockwise another 90 degrees, to the east, for a broad reach, and get blown about 7 miles back to base, on a quiet no drama run. I know it's been said before in this forum to leave that jib up, even with a double reefed main, but I guess I had to learn the lesson the hard way first! The whole experience left me in awe of the M15, where, how despite the 20 mph plus winds, we still could successfully tack over and over and make steady progress to windward so as to be able to sail out of that leeward cove. Fair winds, - Brad

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Re: M17s are regatta boats
by Dave Scobie 30 Oct '21

30 Oct '21

Charlie: M17 designed for regatta sailing not for single handing? I don't understand your comment. Please add some detail so I can better understand your point of view. Thanks. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 6:25 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: I agree with all Tyler’s comments concerning roller fullering. I sailed a Tanzer 22 many years starting on Puget Sound, Chesapeake, and Lake Ontario with only a jib. Then owned a new Catalina 320 with roller fullering that worked good but had problems. Boat that size roller fullering a must but never comes down or up. I bought my M17 three years ago and it had a roller fuller. The first time l launched boat, wife and I, was a horror story and by standers had to help us. Heavy is an understatement especially getting mast in step. Went into Marina. Second season same problem and I stopped trying and went to a Marina for help. Didn’t sail much first season because of broken shoulder. Second year more sailing but never liked the roller for all the reasons Tyler gave. I do not like marinas but because of roller fuller forget trailering. The boat was used for racing on Chesapeake. This season I will trailer and use only a jib and a 130 if I want it. Simplicity is the only way. I’ve been sailing a Drascombe Lugger I bought at factory in England 40 years ago. It’s been all over Europe, plus all the places I had the Tanzer. It has a very simple roller fuller and never an issue. I bought the M17 for cabin. I’ve added a number of things to my M17 making it easy for single handing but as I type this I am off and on about just selling. What stops me is I have put a lot of money into it making upgrades. It’s a 2005 and returned to better than new as far as I am concerned. So far the M17 is not what I expected but have enjoyed working on it at the expense of sailing. I know it was designed for the regatta world which for me means crew. I will only sail singlehanded and have no interest in a crew. Charlie

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Scrubbing M15 in Rain
by brad kurlancheek 30 Oct '21

30 Oct '21

Had my M15 out on the Ches. Bay for several days a couple of weeks ago. Still was 60s and 70s high temps there. In the morning, I'd don the life jacket and swimsuit and crawl down the ladder into the water for an early morning wake-self-up-fast swim. Not warm but not frigid either. While in the water, with sponge in hand and one hand grasping the top of the gunwale for support, I'd do a circuit or two of the boat, scrubbing the hull as I went around. Reaching under the boat I could scrub at least halfway to the other side, or at least to where the centerboard receiver lay. Took about 10 minutes and got an invigorating swim in at same time. When I pulled out at the end of the trip, a few minutes after parking the boat and trailer, I got a pail full of freshwater from the boat ramp, and with the same sponge, and a towel, gave the boat a once-over again. I'd do one side with a pail full, then dump that pail and refill it once more from the boat ramp for doing the other side. Took about 15 minutes and I wouldn't have to worry about scrubbing the boat again, till the next trip.

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M15 storm jib
by Jim Sadler 29 Oct '21

29 Oct '21

Do any of you skippers fly a storm jib? When reefing the Main? What size and how high on the mast is it flown? Capt Jim SV Pelican (M15)

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Roller Furling for M23
by Theo Petron 29 Oct '21

29 Oct '21

Good Morning! Long time fellow sailors! I've been sailing the Chesapeake on my M23 for the past 3 seasons and she loves that body of water. I do however, need to bite the bullet and consider roller furling as going forward on that boat in weather on the Bay is not fun. Can any other M23 owners that have furlers give me their 2 cents on what brand and set up you use/recommend? Thanks! Theo M23 #026 Sails Increase Rock Hall, MD

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Cant Remember how to post!?!
by Theo Petron 28 Oct '21

28 Oct '21

Is this the address to post a new thread? Thanks. Theo M23 Sails Increase

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