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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Anthony Bailey's Day by Day Route, Days 1 to 11, in his book The Coast of Summer
by brad kurlancheek 19 Sep '19

19 Sep '19

I'd tried to write a day by day description, below, of Anthony Bailey's route in The Coast of Summer, as a useful guide to one day replicate the route in my M15. I'd only gotten as far as day 11. If anyone cares to finish it, feel free to jump in! Fair winds, Brad - PS - Disclaimer - any opinions below are my own and not Mr. Bailey's. It is all my interpretation and opinion only, and for the actual words and thoughts of Mr. Bailey, it's of course best to consult the book directly. NOAA Chart # 13214 Day One 1. Depart Stonington CT. Head SW 2. Mystic Harbor on the right, Mason Island, Noank, Groton 3. Anchorage: West Harbor, Fishers Island He has two anchors aboard. A Danforth, and an old fashioned Fisherman, which he says that although more of a nuisance on deck, is more reliable in seabeds of "rocks and eel grass". When all's snug he rows ashore in his dinghy to "the yacht club dock". It lies along the western coast of the West Harbor inlet. He says the harbor's snug unless the wind veers out of the north, northeast. From West Harbor, he can see Groton Long Point, 2 miles across the sound. He consults Eldridge, for the current to be, along the Race, which lies between Race Point at the wester tip of Fishers Island, and Little Gull, the smallest and farthest east of the islands that extend from the North Fork of Long Island. This distance between the two points is about 5 miles of open water. Race Point is less than 100 yards east of Elizabeth Field Airport at the western edge of Fishers Island. Runway 12/30 is 2328' long. Long Island just out like a 2 pronged fork. The top fork prong is the Plum Island/Little Gull/Marion/Greenpoint prong. The lower prong, which goes out into the Atlantic much farther, and is on the way to Block Island, is the Montauk prong. Day Two 1. He sets out early in the morning from West Harbor, Fishers Island, and heads straight SW along the Race. He is sailing, with a north wind, and passes the halfway point to Little Gull Island, at the Bell, at Valiant Rock. 2. But the flood tide begins, in The Race, and so he is reluctantly pulled eastward, above Little Gull Island, and Plum Island to its SW, into Long Island Sound, which is the body of water between the Connecticut coastline in the north, and the north side of Long Island in the south. This is not his chosen route, so he starts the engine, and maneuvers southward, between Little Gull, and Plum, Islands, into Gardiners Bay. 3. Notably, he says he would've had to drop the anchor, which might not have worked at all, given the depth of the Sound, in order to stop from being pulled into it, and were it not for the engine, he would not have managed to escape the pull of the flooding tide of the Race current. 4. Between Little Gull, and Plum, the waterway is called "The Sluiceway." In it, is an obstacle called "Old Silas Rock" - a "substantial boulder poking well above the surface at the early stage of the flood tide. He's heading towards Plum Gut, using the current, which is the waterway between the SW edge of Plum Island, and Orient Point, the very most eastward edge of the northern fork of Long Island. Chart 12358 5. Going through Plum Gut, there's the old iron light tower on the reef that extends from Orient Point. Avoiding getting in the way of the Long Island Ferry from Orient Point (only 28 bucks round trip!) he meanders into Gardiners Bay. He heads northwest, up to Greenport, in the Peconic River. 6. There's a breakwater at Young's Point. He keeps it to starboard, and heads into Sterling Basin. He anchors and rows ashore. Day 3 1. He sails SE across Greenpoint Harbor and anchors in Dering Harbor, for greater protection, he says, from a NW wind, but to me, that is exactly not a reason to anchor there, but so be it. He spends the night there under calm winds, clear skies. Day 4 - He decides to circumnavigate Shelter Island, counterclockwise. But once through Great Hog Neck, he bears off to the right, to Hog Neck Bay, down th Little Peconic Bay, and up into Cutchhogue Harbor, north of Robin Island. He then enters the Great Peconic Bay, no small body of water, a diameter of some 5 miles or more, both directions. He anchors for the night in Coecles Harbor, mainly empty, and this is July, and drops anchor. Bugs, but overall, rustic and scenic. Day 5 - short day; it's raining, but it stops at 11, though wind's calm and he motors out of Coeckles across SE, aware of the ebb tide, and is able to dip under Cedar Point (not over), and beaches his boat? or anchors in a feet of shallow water, and walks on the beach and swims. He then motors farther into Sag Harbor, and calling on Channel 16, gets a discrete frequency to have the harbor master guide him to a Mooring Buoy. ($20 in 1994). He then rows his dinghy to meet his friend Yaacov. Map 13209 - Block Island Sound and Gardiners Bay Day 6 - After Sag Harbor next day he heads out N, NE, up Northwest Harbor, astride Cedar Point to starboard, turns east northeast into Gardiners Bay, avoiding "Dangerous Rock", then heads towards Sammys Beach, and into the inlet to Three Mile Harbor. He has anchored in its northwest corner, and walked across the spit to swim at Sammys Beach. Day 7 - He heads out of Three mile Harbor, around eastward about Hog Creek Point up across to Cherry Harbor. That's almost 5 miles. He anchors off of Cherry Harbor. Day 8 - He heads south, towards Cartwright Island. He bypasses Napeauge Harbor, though he's anchored there before, and follows the north shore of the "South Fork" of L.I., towards Culloden Point. (page 82-83). And he motors into Montauk Harbor. He calls it "Sportfishingville", the craft at marinas being almost all powerboats. He anchors in the harbor's southernmost regions, to escape the wrath of the powerboats as best he can. He says it is poor holding ground, and so tosses out 2 anchors. He tries to see powercraft as not stinkpots, or gas guzzling noisemakers, but as potential nice guys who someday may pull him off a shoal or tow him into harbor when his mast falls down. Day 9 (or 10) - Destination: East Harbor, Fishers Island. He sails on the eastern side of Fishers Island, straight to Stonington, to pick up his wife, Margot. Then heads right back to East Harbor, Fishers Island, which is on the northern side, and to the east of center. There's a sand beach affronting the golf course to the south and they row over to it and swim some. Fisher Island does have an airport on the SW tip of the island. Elisabeth Field. Day 11 - pg. 100 - Destination: Wakefield - they sail eastward, along the conn. and R.I. coast, and head into Port Judith Pond, the inlet to port, just after passing Matunuck, R.I. On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sailing safety (Gerry Lempicki) > 2. Re: Sailing safety (Gerry Lempicki) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:01:17 -0400 > From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz(a)yahoo.com> > To: swwheatley(a)comcast.net > Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing safety > Message-ID: <B450A818-ABBB-463E-B479-EEE5D50576D3(a)yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks very much for recommending this book! I got it from the library > and have been addicted to reading it with Navionics chart viewer running > alongside, tracking his path. > Sure makes one want to get out and do it! > -Gerry > > > On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:37 AM, <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> < > swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > For winter reading I recommend The Coast of Summer by Anthony Bailey. > Harbors have become a little more crowded since he wrote the book but it > does a good job capturing the essence of coastal cruising in southern New > England. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> > On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats > > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 7:53 AM > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:01:17 -0400 > From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz(a)yahoo.com> > To: swwheatley(a)comcast.net > Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing safety > Message-ID: <B450A818-ABBB-463E-B479-EEE5D50576D3(a)yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks very much for recommending this book! I got it from the library > and have been addicted to reading it with Navionics chart viewer running > alongside, tracking his path. > Sure makes one want to get out and do it! > -Gerry > > > On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:37 AM, <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> < > swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > For winter reading I recommend The Coast of Summer by Anthony Bailey. > Harbors have become a little more crowded since he wrote the book but it > does a good job capturing the essence of coastal cruising in southern New > England. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> > On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats > > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 7:53 AM > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 199, Issue 13 > ************************************************* >

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Sailing safety
by swwheatley＠comcast.net 18 Sep '19

18 Sep '19

Gerry: For some reason I am not seeing your e-mails directly. Nonetheless, I saw Connie's reply and, as a New England M17 sailor, I will add a little to what he said. First, an M17 is very capable of handling anything you are likely to encounter in coastal cruising around here this time of year. Just keep an eye on the weather forecasts for tropical systems or so-called Nor'easters (rare in summer). You also have to pay more attention to tides and currents than you may be used to. North of Cape Cod we have 10 foot tides and they only get bigger as you go further north (or downeast, as they like to say in Maine). South of the Cape, the tides are modest but there are significant currents in all the sounds. Sailing with the tides and the currents is a joy, but trying to buck them in a sailboat the size of an M17 is frustrating at best and dangerous at worst. As Connie mentioned, you want to get the Eldridge Guide for this. Ditto for sea state. In my experience, the M17 just does not have the heft needed to beat into steep waves and trying to do so is hard on the boat and the crew. You can compensate by taking the waves more on the beam, but then you aren't covering much ground to windward. Choose your destination accordingly. Connie already mentioned fog and I will add that even without fog there may be times when you are out of sight of land for a while. If you do not already have one, you probably will want to get a GPS device to supplement your compass and your charts. As far as destinations, there are lots of good ones but I will only mention a couple. Penobscot Bay is pretty much the holy grail of New England sailing and you can't go wrong exploring the many islands, sounds and harbors there. I also recommend the islands south of the Cape: Block, Cuttyhunk, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. Especially on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket the M17's shallow draft will allow you to access some lovely ponds and bays that bigger boats rarely attempt. For lack of time, I do almost all my sailing these days in the relatively protected waters of Duxbury Bay, Kingston Bay and Plymouth Harbor. I am always looking for crew if that interests you.

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m15 for sale
by michael hettler 17 Sep '19

17 Sep '19

Looking to sell 2007 m-15. Located in Western New York, will discuss deliver/partially deliver in north east. Bearings repacked this summer, up to date inspection and registration.https://buffalo.craigslist.org/boa/d/buffalo-2007-montgomery-1…

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Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only
by brad kurlancheek 13 Sep '19

13 Sep '19

The Pardey's book ("Storm Tactics" is quite inspiring, making it seem as if you can survive just about anything, by heaving to, even with mainsail alone, albeit triple-reefed, though they found better results when a para-anchor was let out from the forequarter, windward side. They used 220 to 300 feet for the rode for the para anchor which was 8 feet in diameter, all of which was successfully used in "Force 9 to hurricane force" winds. Sounds great on paper. On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bailey's coast of Summer book (Gerry Lempicki) > 2. Re: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > 3. Re: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > 4. Re: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only (John Schinnerer) > 5. Re: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only (John Schinnerer) > 6. Re: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only (John Schinnerer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:54:04 -0400 > From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz(a)yahoo.com> > To: bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bailey's coast of Summer book > Message-ID: <2F4E1AD0-2EDB-4BBD-A4DC-B47C52B5E97F(a)yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I just got that book from the library 5 min ago! Looking forward to a > good story... > > -Gerry > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 12:08 PM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > love that book by A. Bailey - on my 3rd time through it - hoping > > someday to replicate his route, day by day, just as he did, in my M15; > > though a bit smaller than his *Lo*c*hinvar*, the trip certainly seems > > doable, with proper precautions > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > To: bkurlancheek <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > Message-ID: > <1570596385.4855040.1568238298565.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The book "Storm Tactics" by Lin & Larry Pardey is focused on using this > method of heaving to under main alone for weathering serious ocean storms > in a small boat. They recommend using a para-anchor offset to one side of > the bow to augment this in extreme conditions, as it creates a region of > turbulence that will break waves before they hit the boat. > > I've also played around with these techniques on my M15, and even carry a > small army surplus supplies parachute plus a snatch block and swivel, but I > haven't yet had the chance to try deploying it in rough conditions. Without > a winch on board the M15, I expect it could be challenging to recover the > parachute. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:28:18 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > > Most sailors know, or should know, how to heave to in a boat like the > M15 by, just tacking, backwinding the jib, setting the tiller to the same > side of the boat as the boom, sheeting in the boom slightly, and letting > the boat lie about 50 degrees off the wind. > > But the other day out in the middle of the lake in winds 5 to 10, I decided > to practice lowering and then raising the jib, with the boat facing into > the wind. > > After I lowered the jib, standing in the companionway, with the tiller > unattended, and allowed to move about on its own, and the mainsail sheeted > so that the boom had enough slack to be about 45 degrees of the centerline > of the boat, I noticed the boat went into a predictable pattern. > > First the mainsail would fill with air, bringing the bow through the wind > till where it lay about 60 to 70 degrees off the wind. The bow would then > come > to a stop and then slowly the bow would climb back up towards the wind, and > then through it - tacking in other words - till the boom lay about 60 to 70 > degrees off the other side of the boat, where it again came to a stop. This > pattern repeated over and over, the boat continually tacking back and > forth, from a close reach on one side, over to a close reach on the other. > > So I thought to ask the forum, Is this a known phenomenon? Does it have a > name? Is it just a form of heaving to in a sloop when the jib sail is down > but the main is up? > > It seemed like a good thing to know about my Monty, as the pattern is > fairly predictable, even in winds of 5 to 10, and is another way to take a > break and not have to tend the tiller, for when the jib sail is down. > > Thanks for any insights! > > - Brad, 1987 M-15 ("Half Monty") > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > Message-ID: > <1661794453.4908540.1568249591106.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Correction- I missed that you were leaving the tiller untied and allowing > the boat to tack. The Pardey's method involves tying the tiller slightly to > leeward, so the boat oscillates between sailing upwind and stalling, but > stays on the same tack. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "casioqv" <casioqv(a)usermail.com> > To: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com>, "For and about Montgomery > Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 2:44:58 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > > The book "Storm Tactics" by Lin & Larry Pardey is focused on using this > method of heaving to under main alone for weathering serious ocean storms > in a small boat. They recommend using a para-anchor offset to one side of > the bow to augment this in extreme conditions, as it creates a region of > turbulence that will break waves before they hit the boat. > > I've also played around with these techniques on my M15, and even carry a > small army surplus supplies parachute plus a snatch block and swivel, but I > haven't yet had the chance to try deploying it in rough conditions. Without > a winch on board the M15, I expect it could be challenging to recover the > parachute. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:28:18 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > > Most sailors know, or should know, how to heave to in a boat like the > M15 by, just tacking, backwinding the jib, setting the tiller to the same > side of the boat as the boom, sheeting in the boom slightly, and letting > the boat lie about 50 degrees off the wind. > > But the other day out in the middle of the lake in winds 5 to 10, I decided > to practice lowering and then raising the jib, with the boat facing into > the wind. > > After I lowered the jib, standing in the companionway, with the tiller > unattended, and allowed to move about on its own, and the mainsail sheeted > so that the boom had enough slack to be about 45 degrees of the centerline > of the boat, I noticed the boat went into a predictable pattern. > > First the mainsail would fill with air, bringing the bow through the wind > till where it lay about 60 to 70 degrees off the wind. The bow would then > come > to a stop and then slowly the bow would climb back up towards the wind, and > then through it - tacking in other words - till the boom lay about 60 to 70 > degrees off the other side of the boat, where it again came to a stop. This > pattern repeated over and over, the boat continually tacking back and > forth, from a close reach on one side, over to a close reach on the other. > > So I thought to ask the forum, Is this a known phenomenon? Does it have a > name? Is it just a form of heaving to in a sloop when the jib sail is down > but the main is up? > > It seemed like a good thing to know about my Monty, as the pattern is > fairly predictable, even in winds of 5 to 10, and is another way to take a > break and not have to tend the tiller, for when the jib sail is down. > > Thanks for any insights! > > - Brad, 1987 M-15 ("Half Monty") > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 19:17:39 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > Message-ID: <bbdcb70d-c85d-536c-d4df-889f1da141f0(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I wrote about this a couple years ago for my M17. > > Before I got my furling/reefing jib, I was playing with single handed > headsail changes. > > I was able to get my M17 to sail itself rather inefficiently, but > consistently, to windward while I went forward and messed with headsails. > > The setup is: > Tiller set to turn her gently to windward. > Mainsheet set a bit too loose for a close reach; it would luff before > getting close enough to get in irons. > Jib dropped, and ideally downhauled (I had rigged a simple downhaul to > cockpit). At the least, jib sheets loose and jib flapping in wind. > > The cycle was (starting from having some way to windward): > She would head up slowly because of how the tiller was set. > Main would start to luff and lose power; boat would lose way. > Thus the rudder would lose effectiveness. > The wind would push her bow back off the wind. > As she fell off, the main would start to catch a bit and give some power. > As she picked up way, the rudder came into effect. > Repeat from first line above... > > Sort of "scalloping" to windward, and also moving to leeward more than > usual (be sure to have extra leeway if trying this). > NO tacking in this case - as above, main set to lose power well before > getting into irons or risking coming about. > And, no full-on sailing - tiller would start bringing her back to > windward before she fell off enough to catch full wind in mainsail. > > I first stayed in the cockpit, hands off, for long enough to see it work > for several cycles - or tweak tiller and/or mainsheet until it did. Then > I'd go forward, and pause before doing anything with headsail to make > sure my weight shift didn't mess up the situation. > > On the M17 this didn't take a lot of finesse. My first attempt at tiller > and mainsheet adjustment was about close enough. I might have tweaked it > a little and then it was good to go. > > YMMV on an M15 where moving from cockpit to bow is a bigger relative > weight shift. > > When I have her trimmed for decent sailing, I do see non-trivial effect > from moving myself far fore or aft. > But in this "sloppy sailing" trim mode, it didn't cause a problem, she > kept scalloping along. > > I don't know if this would be called "hove to on mainsail" or not. > But if for some reason you need to do something like this, it can work. > Definitely try it out in moderate conditions and practice ahead of time > though! > > What would scare me about the situation you describe, tiller free, is > that if the mainsheet and/or tiller hung up on anything on one of those > tacks, it could suddenly be a very bad situation and I'm in a very bad > place to deal with it quickly. > > cheers, > John > > > > On 9/11/19 9:28 AM, brad kurlancheek wrote: > > Most sailors know, or should know, how to heave to in a boat like the > > M15 by, just tacking, backwinding the jib, setting the tiller to the same > > side of the boat as the boom, sheeting in the boom slightly, and letting > > the boat lie about 50 degrees off the wind. > > > > But the other day out in the middle of the lake in winds 5 to 10, I > decided > > to practice lowering and then raising the jib, with the boat facing into > > the wind. > > > > After I lowered the jib, standing in the companionway, with the tiller > > unattended, and allowed to move about on its own, and the mainsail > sheeted > > so that the boom had enough slack to be about 45 degrees of the > centerline > > of the boat, I noticed the boat went into a predictable pattern. > > > > First the mainsail would fill with air, bringing the bow through the wind > > till where it lay about 60 to 70 degrees off the wind. The bow would > then come > > to a stop and then slowly the bow would climb back up towards the wind, > and > > then through it - tacking in other words - till the boom lay about 60 to > 70 > > degrees off the other side of the boat, where it again came to a stop. > This > > pattern repeated over and over, the boat continually tacking back and > > forth, from a close reach on one side, over to a close reach on the > other. > > > > So I thought to ask the forum, Is this a known phenomenon? Does it have a > > name? Is it just a form of heaving to in a sloop when the jib sail is > down > > but the main is up? > > > > It seemed like a good thing to know about my Monty, as the pattern is > > fairly predictable, even in winds of 5 to 10, and is another way to take > a > > break and not have to tend the tiller, for when the jib sail is down. > > > > Thanks for any insights! > > > > - Brad, 1987 M-15 ("Half Monty") > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 19:31:54 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > Message-ID: <74314d8a-7fdb-baf3-3e1a-6b90cb651c7a(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 9/11/19 2:44 PM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > ... > > I've also played around with these techniques on my M15, and even carry > a small army surplus supplies parachute plus a snatch block and swivel, but > I haven't yet had the chance to try deploying it in rough conditions. > Without a winch on board the M15, I expect it could be challenging to > recover the parachute. > > You'd just be pulling your boat to the chute... like pulling it to the > anchor by the rode, to raise anchor. > > If you can do that in heavy weather, the chute will be similar. It's > just a sort of also-moving anchor. > > And of course you want to lift it up from an edge so it's not a huge > bucket of water you're trying to raise. > > Some really interesting stuff in this manual for a brand of drogue > (stern drag rather than bow): > https://www.defender.com/pdf/delta_drougemanual.pdf > > cheers, > John > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 19:33:17 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only > Message-ID: <11295a70-1d85-5428-b184-972b6823d2a4(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > That's also what I was describing, but way more concise! :-) > > John > > On 9/11/19 5:53 PM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > > Correction- I missed that you were leaving the tiller untied and > allowing the boat to tack. The Pardey's method involves tying the tiller > slightly to leeward, so the boat oscillates between sailing upwind and > stalling, but stays on the same tack. > > > > Sincerely, > > Tyler > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 199, Issue 10 > ************************************************* >

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Heaving to in an M15 with Mainsail only
by brad kurlancheek 12 Sep '19

12 Sep '19

Most sailors know, or should know, how to heave to in a boat like the M15 by, just tacking, backwinding the jib, setting the tiller to the same side of the boat as the boom, sheeting in the boom slightly, and letting the boat lie about 50 degrees off the wind. But the other day out in the middle of the lake in winds 5 to 10, I decided to practice lowering and then raising the jib, with the boat facing into the wind. After I lowered the jib, standing in the companionway, with the tiller unattended, and allowed to move about on its own, and the mainsail sheeted so that the boom had enough slack to be about 45 degrees of the centerline of the boat, I noticed the boat went into a predictable pattern. First the mainsail would fill with air, bringing the bow through the wind till where it lay about 60 to 70 degrees off the wind. The bow would then come to a stop and then slowly the bow would climb back up towards the wind, and then through it - tacking in other words - till the boom lay about 60 to 70 degrees off the other side of the boat, where it again came to a stop. This pattern repeated over and over, the boat continually tacking back and forth, from a close reach on one side, over to a close reach on the other. So I thought to ask the forum, Is this a known phenomenon? Does it have a name? Is it just a form of heaving to in a sloop when the jib sail is down but the main is up? It seemed like a good thing to know about my Monty, as the pattern is fairly predictable, even in winds of 5 to 10, and is another way to take a break and not have to tend the tiller, for when the jib sail is down. Thanks for any insights! - Brad, 1987 M-15 ("Half Monty")

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Re: M_Boats: Bailey's coast of Summer book
by brad kurlancheek 11 Sep '19

11 Sep '19

love that book by A. Bailey - on my 3rd time through it - hoping someday to replicate his route, day by day, just as he did, in my M15; though a bit smaller than his *Lo*c*hinvar*, the trip certainly seems doable, with proper precautions On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 2:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sailing safety (Gerry Lempicki) > 2. Re: Sailing safety (swwheatley(a)comcast.net) > 3. Re: Sailing safety (Gerry Lempicki) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 11:52:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing safety > Message-ID: <1226567399.2133184.1567770778235(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wow, time can fly by.? I never replied to the very helpful advice and > offers I got a few weeks ago (life has been a bit crazy, but that's no > excuse so I wanted to get back here).? Thanks very much for all the input.? > I know Connie and others wrote also, but right now I can't find the > emails.? More searching is in order.??I'd love to go out on one of the > local NE bays or harbors, but I think the rest of this year is out.? We are > about to go into an outage at work and it will require a lot of overtime.? > I need to prep for winter at home and get a few more sailing days on our > reservoir.? I'll spent some of winter reading about coastal sailing and > looking over charts (my wife won a chart set for the NE at the Defender > sale).??Oh, If anyone has been following Jeanne Socrates' adventure, she > might actually finish today.? Winds have been light though.?? > http://www.svnereida.com > Gerry > > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 03:03:44 PM EDT, swwheatley(a)comcast.net > <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > Gerry: > > > > For some reason I am not seeing your e-mails directly. Nonetheless, I saw > Connie's reply and, as a New England M17 sailor, I will add a little to > what > he said. > > > > First, an M17 is very capable of handling anything you are likely to > encounter in coastal cruising around here this time of year. Just keep an > eye on the weather forecasts for tropical systems or so-called Nor'easters > (rare in summer). > > > > You also have to pay more attention to tides and currents than you may be > used to. North of Cape Cod we have 10 foot tides and they only get bigger > as > you go further north (or downeast, as they like to say in Maine). South of > the Cape, the tides are modest but there are significant currents in all > the > sounds. Sailing with the tides and the currents is a joy, but trying to > buck > them in a sailboat the size of an M17 is frustrating at best and dangerous > at worst. As Connie mentioned, you want to get the Eldridge Guide for this. > > > > Ditto for sea state. In my experience, the M17 just does not have the heft > needed to beat into steep waves and trying to do so is? hard on the boat > and > the crew. You can compensate by taking the waves more on the beam, but then > you aren't covering much ground to windward. Choose your destination > accordingly. > > > > Connie already mentioned fog and I will add that even without fog there may > be times when you are out of sight of land for a while. If you do not > already have one, you probably will want to get a GPS device to supplement > your compass and your charts. > > > > As far as destinations, there are lots of good ones but I will only mention > a couple. Penobscot Bay is pretty much the holy grail of New England > sailing > and you can't go wrong exploring the many islands, sounds and harbors > there. > I also recommend the islands south of the Cape: Block, Cuttyhunk, Martha's > Vineyard and Nantucket. Especially on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket the > M17's shallow draft will allow you to access some lovely ponds and bays > that > bigger boats rarely attempt. > > > > For lack of time, I do almost all my sailing these days in the relatively > protected waters of Duxbury Bay, Kingston Bay and Plymouth Harbor. I am > always looking for crew if that interests you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:37:52 -0400 > From: <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> > To: "'Gerry Lempicki'" <ka1stz(a)yahoo.com>, "'For and about Montgomery > Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing safety > Message-ID: <003201d564af$e757c100$b6074300$(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > For winter reading I recommend The Coast of Summer by Anthony Bailey. > Harbors have become a little more crowded since he wrote the book but it > does a good job capturing the essence of coastal cruising in southern New > England. > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> On > Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 7:53 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing safety > > Wow, time can fly by. I never replied to the very helpful advice and > offers I got a few weeks ago (life has been a bit crazy, but that's no > excuse so I wanted to get back here). Thanks very much for all the input. > I know Connie and others wrote also, but right now I can't find the > emails. More searching is in order. I'd love to go out on one of the > local NE bays or harbors, but I think the rest of this year is out. We are > about to go into an outage at work and it will require a lot of overtime. > I need to prep for winter at home and get a few more sailing days on our > reservoir. I'll spent some of winter reading about coastal sailing and > looking over charts (my wife won a chart set for the NE at the Defender > sale). Oh, If anyone has been following Jeanne Socrates' adventure, she > might actually finish today. Winds have been light though. > http://www.svnereida.com Gerry > > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 03:03:44 PM EDT, swwheatley(a)comcast.net > <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > Gerry: > > > > For some reason I am not seeing your e-mails directly. Nonetheless, I saw > Connie's reply and, as a New England M17 sailor, I will add a little to > what he said. > > > > First, an M17 is very capable of handling anything you are likely to > encounter in coastal cruising around here this time of year. Just keep an > eye on the weather forecasts for tropical systems or so-called Nor'easters > (rare in summer). > > > > You also have to pay more attention to tides and currents than you may be > used to. North of Cape Cod we have 10 foot tides and they only get bigger > as you go further north (or downeast, as they like to say in Maine). South > of the Cape, the tides are modest but there are significant currents in all > the sounds. Sailing with the tides and the currents is a joy, but trying to > buck them in a sailboat the size of an M17 is frustrating at best and > dangerous at worst. As Connie mentioned, you want to get the Eldridge Guide > for this. > > > > Ditto for sea state. In my experience, the M17 just does not have the heft > needed to beat into steep waves and trying to do so is hard on the boat > and the crew. You can compensate by taking the waves more on the beam, but > then you aren't covering much ground to windward. Choose your destination > accordingly. > > > > Connie already mentioned fog and I will add that even without fog there > may be times when you are out of sight of land for a while. If you do not > already have one, you probably will want to get a GPS device to supplement > your compass and your charts. > > > > As far as destinations, there are lots of good ones but I will only > mention a couple. Penobscot Bay is pretty much the holy grail of New > England sailing and you can't go wrong exploring the many islands, sounds > and harbors there. > I also recommend the islands south of the Cape: Block, Cuttyhunk, Martha's > Vineyard and Nantucket. Especially on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket the > M17's shallow draft will allow you to access some lovely ponds and bays > that bigger boats rarely attempt. > > > > For lack of time, I do almost all my sailing these days in the relatively > protected waters of Duxbury Bay, Kingston Bay and Plymouth Harbor. I am > always looking for crew if that interests you. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz(a)yahoo.com> > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>, "swwheatley(a)comcast.net" > <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing safety > Message-ID: <537719850.2159982.1567774515979(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks, I see I can get it at the library.? ?:) > > On Friday, September 6, 2019, 08:37:54 AM EDT, swwheatley(a)comcast.net > <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > For winter reading I recommend The Coast of Summer by Anthony Bailey. > Harbors have become a little more crowded since he wrote the book but it > does a good job capturing the essence of coastal cruising in southern New > England. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 199, Issue 6 > ************************************************ >

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Name for my boat - Votes needed
by James Hymes 11 Sep '19

11 Sep '19

I have a 75 M1t #69 (yellow). Help me name my boat. Vote 4 times for my boat name⛵️. Vote up to 2 times for same name. Got another name? Submit it! TY Boat Names Too Much Fun B Notty Left Behind Mellow Yellow Ole Yeller Bail Out Bail Me Out Wind Breaker Breaking Wind Shooting the Breeze Running Behind Happy Hour Happy Hours Knot Working On The Rocks Rum Runner Lead Weight (the boat has lead ballast - no more rusty steel :) Hit And Run Slow Going Bow-Line Fat Bottom Girl Homeless SS Minnow Too Fast At The Dock Short Squeeze Anger Management Fat Chance Go Short Wasting Away Yell - Oh! Jaundice Needs paint Code Yellow Banana Rammer Bananarama Short Bus TY, jim hymes

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Posting my Montgomery 17 for sale on your site
by scott cruse 11 Sep '19

11 Sep '19

This is my second time sending this email to you, hoping you can post the narrative and pic on the Montgomery site. What do I need to do specifically to get the details below on your site? Boat Name: Nothin's Ez Location: Coeur d'Alene, ID Seller: Scott Description: Hull# 366. We have put in a lot of time restoring appearance of our M17. She is in great shape overall. Sails are in really good condition. Cabin cushion fabric recently replaced; sun canopy; 2017 Tohatsu 6 HP 4-stroke engine with about 40 hours; custom made vented boat cover; Trailer has 4' adjustable tongue extension for SUV/Car towing; motor mount added on trailer; a reliable keel guide for boat on-center with trailer roller; replaced trailer bunk boards. Other work done on her. Have a lot of pics if interested. Price: $8000

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list manager
by salglesser＠aol.com 11 Sep '19

11 Sep '19

Hi Keith, I received my notice just fine. Could you let me know more about what might be involved? sal Sage Marine

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