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Re: M_Boats: classic M17 potti
by Dave Scobie 24 May '19

24 May '19

Mike. I don't have any pics. It just provided places to attach things. Good in it reduced likelihood.of drilling a hole through hull when installing a mounting bracket. Bad in it limited customization. Maybe someone can photo under their M17 vberth? (Needs to be a Jerry built boat as the mold was destroyed by Jerry about '94/95.) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Fri, May 24, 2019, 9:35 AM Michael Witkin <m.witkin(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Dave, > Your comments are appreciated. Now I'm curious about the under-v berth > liner you mentioned. Would be great to hear a description and function if > you have the time. > Mike > > On ‎Friday‎, ‎May‎ ‎24‎, ‎2019‎ ‎09‎:‎07‎:‎39‎ ‎AM‎ ‎PDT, Dave Scobie < > scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Mike: > > I agree that looks like something original. Strange that your boat > doesn't have the under-vberth liner. > > Hope Jerry will see and he can state the model of potty and with that you > can go hunting for an old one on eBay. > > If not you could grind off the flanges and bond a sheet of plywood over so > you have a base to use a potty currently available. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:06 AM Michael Witkin <m.witkin(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Dave, > Thanks for your reply. A photo of the molded base is attached. It does > not appear to be an "add on", but does look like it was part of the > original design. > > Thanks, > Mike W > > On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎22‎, ‎2019‎ ‎02‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, Dave Scobie < > scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Mike. > > You wrote 'molded base'. You boat has something besides a flat shelf? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2019, 1:45 PM Michael Witkin via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Fellow Montgomery owners, > Recently purchased a 1978 M17 stored in former owners backyard, under > tarp, for 26 years. I have refinished all teak, replaced all running > rigging, and applied wax and polish. She looks great! My wife and I sail > in Sequim Bay, Olympic Peninsula, Washington.Our only problem is locating a > porta potty that fits in the molded base beneath the v berth; any > suggestions would be appreciated. > Fair Winds,Mike W > >

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New owner introduction
by Michael Witkin 23 May '19

23 May '19

Fellow Montgomery owners, Recently purchased a 1978 M17 stored in former owners backyard, under tarp, for 26 years. I have refinished all teak, replaced all running rigging, and applied wax and polish. She looks great! My wife and I sail in Sequim Bay, Olympic Peninsula, Washington.Our only problem is locating a porta potty that fits in the molded base beneath the v berth; any suggestions would be appreciated. Fair Winds,Mike W

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M17 swim ladder redux
by John Schinnerer 21 May '19

21 May '19

Hi all, What is the make/model of the four point mount, telescoping swim ladder that a number of you have bought & consider optimal for an M17? Can't readily find the thread on that some months ago. The old flip-down two-step one that came with my boat is getting rickety... thanks, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Mast Rake
by Jon Barber 20 May '19

20 May '19

Opitmal mast rake is not something figured out by trigonometric calculation. It is figured out but trial and error. Assuming you have an adjustable backstay try rigging an adjustable forestay and testing different degrees of rake. Rake aft till weatherhelm is felt in the rudder at moderate heel. I raked my mast 12"-14". I got moderate weatherhelm. Does the boat point higher? Probably, tho these things are difficult to quantify. Sail a lot. Try different configurations. See what works. Above all else, listen to Jerry. Nobody goes to windward like Jerry. If you can get him on your boat do it. We Montgomery sailors have this forum for exchange of ideas and the wisdom of one who devoted his life to our boats. How many other sailors have such a resource? Put it to use. Go fast, enjoy the ride. We sail one of the best boats on the water. Don't get too caught up in the details. My Monty has taught me to trust. It can take more rough stuff than me. She shrugs off too much wind by rounding up, rarley gets me wet, never ships water. When others douse sails and run for home we bash on, getting to windward safely. And she's beautiful, too! Montgomery 17 Ol'44

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M17 rigging continued
by Gerry Lempicki 17 May '19

17 May '19

Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though. -Gerry

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New jib for Monty 15
by Peter Zimowsky 15 May '19

15 May '19

Hi: I’ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still works, however, I’m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of nowhere. Here are the measurements on my jib. Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one Boise isn’t known for its sailmakers. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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New jib for Monty 15
by Rusty Knorr 14 May '19

14 May '19

I’m always going to put a plug in for Carol Hasse in Port Townsend. If you can afford it, they are the finest sails made. She has an all woman crew, they are honest, and great at communicating with the customer. https://www.porttownsendsails.com/ www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 195, Issue 10
by Arnie Smith 14 May '19

14 May '19

I just placed an order with Harry at EP for a Jib and loose footed main, extra reef. Just short of $1000. We are two weeks into manufacture and estimated delivery in another two weeks. I purchased on recommendation and because he was very responsive, answered my emails in a couple of hours, proactive in suggesting I measure my existing sales to ensure the rig had not been altered over the years and confirmed all good with original Monty dimensions. So far, I cannot fault their service, their communication is very professional !! ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:00 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 195, Issue 10 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New jib for Monty 15 (Peter Zimowsky) 2. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (casioqv(a)usermail.com) 3. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (Sam) 4. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (Dave Scobie) 5. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (Dave Scobie) 6. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (John Schinnerer) 7. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (John Schinnerer) 8. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (John Schinnerer) 9. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (Sam) 10. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (John Schinnerer) 11. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (Peter Zimowsky) 12. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (Peter Zimowsky) 13. Re: New jib for Monty 15 (Bob Eeg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 19:50:53 -0600 From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <E15097DB-9644-448F-A42B-C973E9A230A8(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi: I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of nowhere. Here are the measurements on my jib. Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one Boise isn?t known for its sailmakers. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 19:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: casioqv(a)usermail.com To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <1848323627.3866621.1557802358939.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I can't recommend Elliott/Pattison strongly enough - far higher quality than almost any sails out there but still affordable in M15 sizes... plus they're really nice people and have excellent customer service. https://www.epsails.com/ They know M15s very well, you probably don't need to send them any measurements for a standard jib. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Hi: I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of nowhere. Here are the measurements on my jib. Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one Boise isn?t known for its sailmakers. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 20:12:07 -0700 From: Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <CAFU+JX-od4E-D-U3=2RaMY3Axu1kx8VoW0kNkXiqE37z0JOovA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I have a new main ($485) and jib ($295) from https://www.peaksailsna.com/montgomery/montgomery-15/. The main took ~10 months to arrive, I thought for sure they had gone out of business and would never send me anything (after I paid for the full sail, emailed them multiple times with no reply, etc). However, when the sail arrived I was impressed by the high quality, so I contacted the manufacturer about ordering a jib after being assured that the delivery problems had been worked out and I would get the sails in ~4 weeks. Well, they sent the jib in ~2 months, so some improvement. Both work great on my 1984 M15, and the boat performs SO much better. I can even notice a difference between having the center board up/down now! I requested reinforced piston hanks on the jib, but otherwise made no other special requests. I recently took them out sailing to a club event, and some much more experienced folks in the sailing club also agreed that they were quite well made. Anyway, YMMV, and you might not get them until the season ends, but the price is hard to beat. Best, Sam On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:00 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > I can't recommend Elliott/Pattison strongly enough - far higher quality > than almost any sails out there but still affordable in M15 sizes... plus > they're really nice people and have excellent customer service. > https://www.epsails.com/ > > They know M15s very well, you probably don't need to send them any > measurements for a standard jib. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM > Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 > > Hi: > I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still > works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of > nowhere. > Here are the measurements on my jib. > Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one Boise > isn?t known for its sailmakers. > Thanks, > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 20:16:10 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <CAGjBOA75Jpc1tnQiLRwhs2ctQD959Y2aJsaohT-WM8hBE4pBbQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" JudyB at Hyde Sails Direct is also a resource - HydeSailsDirect.com A local, kinda, loft is Yager Sails & Canvas in Spokane. I know they have made very good sails for M17s and M23s - yagersails.com/ :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> On Mon, May 13, 2019, 8:00 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > I can't recommend Elliott/Pattison strongly enough - far higher quality > than almost any sails out there but still affordable in M15 sizes... plus > they're really nice people and have excellent customer service. > https://www.epsails.com/ > > They know M15s very well, you probably don't need to send them any > measurements for a standard jib. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM > Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 > > Hi: > I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still > works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of > nowhere. > Here are the measurements on my jib. > Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one Boise > isn?t known for its sailmakers. > Thanks, > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 20:25:45 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7EOLYbQRRU12iBvzAT8MnWRkjyw3YCjJ_Er+X5rpbE7A(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" FYI Peak was Kelly Hanson and because of business practices specifically banned from taking part in the old Lake Havasu event. 10 months ... just WOW. I'd put that down as unacceptable and if a loft is so backed up they can't deliver at their quoted timeline prior notice is required and a refund offered. I'd have had my credit card company pull back the money and found another loft. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> On Mon, May 13, 2019, 8:13 PM Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have a new main ($485) and jib ($295) from > https://www.peaksailsna.com/montgomery/montgomery-15/. The main took ~10 > months to arrive, I thought for sure they had gone out of business and > would never send me anything (after I paid for the full sail, emailed them > multiple times with no reply, etc). However, when the sail arrived I was > impressed by the high quality, so I contacted the manufacturer about > ordering a jib after being assured that the delivery problems had been > worked out and I would get the sails in ~4 weeks. Well, they sent the jib > in ~2 months, so some improvement. Both work great on my 1984 M15, and the > boat performs SO much better. I can even notice a difference between having > the center board up/down now! I requested reinforced piston hanks on the > jib, but otherwise made no other special requests. I recently took them out > sailing to a club event, and some much more experienced folks in the > sailing club also agreed that they were quite well made. > > Anyway, YMMV, and you might not get them until the season ends, but the > price is hard to beat. > > Best, > > Sam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM > > Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 > > > > Hi: > > I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still > > works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of > > nowhere. > > Here are the measurements on my jib. > > Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one > Boise > > isn?t known for its sailmakers. > > Thanks, > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues > > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 20:50:13 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <a62e50b2-018e-e028-335e-bdef9e66f90d(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Interesting about Peak Sails...quite the good prices even for 'performance' versions. I got my new furling headsail last year via Judy B/Hyde Sails direct. Several people here recommended her, and others also recommended Elliot/Patterson, as well as various other smaller lofts (I'm also in a place where there are no sailmakers of any size anywhere close at hand). Unfortunately my experience with JudyB was mixed. The very short story is that I wouldn't do business with her again. The sail I eventually got seems well made, it works well, I only got to use it a handful of times before end of season last year. And it is a Hyde, a respected loft, she is a semi-independent dealer of some sort. But my furler order was not shipped until I called and she saw she had dropped it. After the sail was running late and she went on a "sabbatical" cruising, communication went to zero (on her end, no response at all to multiple voice mails and e-mails). If she actually had nobody in the office (virtual or otherwise) during that time, that was her choice, but it cost her my business in future. There was an office person who answered during initial calls; dunno what happened to them, maybe they went cruising too. Anyhow, zero response for weeks and weeks is unacceptable to me from someone I'm spending that much money with. I don't know if it was another error on her part, or a silent attempt at apology, but from my credit card records it looks like I was never charged the final percentage of the full cost that would have been charged when the sail actually shipped. So I got a small discount for my trouble, in a roundabout way. YMMV of course. cheers, John On 5/13/19 8:16 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: > JudyB at Hyde Sails Direct is also a resource - > > HydeSailsDirect.com > > > A local, kinda, loft is Yager Sails & Canvas in Spokane. I know they have > made very good sails for M17s and M23s - > > yagersails.com/ > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019, 8:00 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > >> I can't recommend Elliott/Pattison strongly enough - far higher quality >> than almost any sails out there but still affordable in M15 sizes... plus >> they're really nice people and have excellent customer service. >> https://www.epsails.com/ >> >> They know M15s very well, you probably don't need to send them any >> measurements for a standard jib. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM >> Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 >> >> Hi: >> I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still >> works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of >> nowhere. >> Here are the measurements on my jib. >> Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one Boise >> isn?t known for its sailmakers. >> Thanks, >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 20:56:27 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <e595fcd9-9b15-ae36-afb9-a5064ed2d698(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed There is some bad press on the internet re Kelly Hanson...of course one always hears the bad stuff, but apparently there have been past instances of taking even longer than 10 months to deliver - like 'never'... cheers, John On 5/13/19 8:25 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: > FYI Peak was Kelly Hanson and because of business practices specifically > banned from taking part in the old Lake Havasu event. > > 10 months ... just WOW. I'd put that down as unacceptable and if a loft is > so backed up they can't deliver at their quoted timeline prior notice is > required and a refund offered. I'd have had my credit card company pull > back the money and found another loft. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019, 8:13 PM Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have a new main ($485) and jib ($295) from >> https://www.peaksailsna.com/montgomery/montgomery-15/. The main took ~10 >> months to arrive, I thought for sure they had gone out of business and >> would never send me anything (after I paid for the full sail, emailed them >> multiple times with no reply, etc). However, when the sail arrived I was >> impressed by the high quality, so I contacted the manufacturer about >> ordering a jib after being assured that the delivery problems had been >> worked out and I would get the sails in ~4 weeks. Well, they sent the jib >> in ~2 months, so some improvement. Both work great on my 1984 M15, and the >> boat performs SO much better. I can even notice a difference between having >> the center board up/down now! I requested reinforced piston hanks on the >> jib, but otherwise made no other special requests. I recently took them out >> sailing to a club event, and some much more experienced folks in the >> sailing club also agreed that they were quite well made. >> >> Anyway, YMMV, and you might not get them until the season ends, but the >> price is hard to beat. >> >> Best, >> >> Sam >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM >>> Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 >>> >>> Hi: >>> I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It still >>> works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of >>> nowhere. >>> Here are the measurements on my jib. >>> Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one >> Boise >>> isn?t known for its sailmakers. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> >>> >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >>> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial >> issues >>> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 21:06:28 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <c4bb774a-7e30-ac73-af0b-12be8d0a1679(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed PS - I did e-mail Elliot-Patterson about the same time, but got no response, whereas I did get a response from JudyB promptly at the start, so I went with that. For whatever next sail I might get (eventually, a new loose footed main), I would probably try E/P first, for my Monty anyhow. Not sure if they make El Toro sails... :-) cheers, John On 5/13/19 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: > Interesting about Peak Sails...quite the good prices even for > 'performance' versions. > > I got my new furling headsail last year via Judy B/Hyde Sails direct. > Several people here recommended her, and others also recommended > Elliot/Patterson, as well as various other smaller lofts (I'm also in a > place where there are no sailmakers of any size anywhere close at hand). > > Unfortunately my experience with JudyB was mixed. > The very short story is that I wouldn't do business with her again. > The sail I eventually got seems well made, it works well, I only got to > use it a handful of times before end of season last year. And it is a > Hyde, a respected loft, she is a semi-independent dealer of some sort. > But my furler order was not shipped until I called and she saw she had > dropped it. After the sail was running late and she went on a > "sabbatical" cruising, communication went to zero (on her end, no > response at all to multiple voice mails and e-mails). > If she actually had nobody in the office (virtual or otherwise) during > that time, that was her choice, but it cost her my business in future. > There was an office person who answered during initial calls; dunno what > happened to them, maybe they went cruising too. Anyhow, zero response > for weeks and weeks is unacceptable to me from someone I'm spending that > much money with. > I don't know if it was another error on her part, or a silent attempt at > apology, but from my credit card records it looks like I was never > charged the final percentage of the full cost that would have been > charged when the sail actually shipped. So I got a small discount for my > trouble, in a roundabout way. > > YMMV of course. > > cheers, > John > > On 5/13/19 8:16 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: >> JudyB at Hyde Sails Direct is also a resource - >> >> HydeSailsDirect.com >> >> >> A local, kinda, loft is Yager Sails & Canvas in Spokane.? I know they >> have >> made very good sails for M17s and M23s - >> >> yagersails.com/ >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> >> >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2019, 8:00 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: >> >>> I can't recommend Elliott/Pattison strongly enough - far higher quality >>> than almost any sails out there but still affordable in M15 sizes... >>> plus >>> they're really nice people and have excellent customer service. >>> https://www.epsails.com/ >>> >>> They know M15s very well, you probably don't need to send them any >>> measurements for a standard jib. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Tyler >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM >>> Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 >>> >>> Hi: >>> I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It >>> still >>> works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of >>> nowhere. >>> Here are the measurements on my jib. >>> Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one >>> Boise >>> isn?t known for its sailmakers. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> >>> >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the >>> summer of >>> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial >>> issues >>> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 21:33:04 -0700 From: Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <CAFU+JX8akKw72GQJw3y_XW9sTq45BcWZfsA266yE39+OfaqPpQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yeah, for the record, I'm not promoting Peak Sails. They were super frustrating to deal with, and not at all transparent or responsive once they had my money. Getting a nice set of sails for < $1000 was a big plus in the end however, so I'd say that the gamble paid off. I did do quite extensive research before purchasing from them, and as far as I could tell, every sail maker had some negative reviews, Peak Sails maybe a few more than the rest, so I did go into the purchase knowing that things could go south. In a similar vein, my Honda 2.3 has been in for warranty service at a shop in Lewiston Idaho for a couple of months now after the clutch started slipping last summer in Desolation Sound, and continued to get worse through last summer. I have demonstrated the clutch slip to the mechanic at the shop, who agrees that it is clearly a problem that should be fixed under warranty. Honda refuses to approve the service unless the shop does ~8 hours of diagnostic work that Honda refuses to pay for however, so we are stuck. Meanwhile I am back to using an old 2-stroke (Tanaka 300) instead of my brand new Honda. Amazingly, the centrifugal clutch on the old engine is perfectly reliable, and it starts first or second pull after all these years (I only wish it were quieter and didn't pollute so much). I think the moral of the story is that every purchase has an element of risk, whether it is a "reputable" seller like Honda, or a cut rate drop shipper with murky business practices. Good luck :) Sam On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:06 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > PS - I did e-mail Elliot-Patterson about the same time, but got no > response, whereas I did get a response from JudyB promptly at the start, > so I went with that. > > For whatever next sail I might get (eventually, a new loose footed > main), I would probably try E/P first, for my Monty anyhow. Not sure if > they make El Toro sails... :-) > > cheers, > John > > > On 5/13/19 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: > > Interesting about Peak Sails...quite the good prices even for > > 'performance' versions. > > > > I got my new furling headsail last year via Judy B/Hyde Sails direct. > > Several people here recommended her, and others also recommended > > Elliot/Patterson, as well as various other smaller lofts (I'm also in a > > place where there are no sailmakers of any size anywhere close at hand). > > > > Unfortunately my experience with JudyB was mixed. > > The very short story is that I wouldn't do business with her again. > > The sail I eventually got seems well made, it works well, I only got to > > use it a handful of times before end of season last year. And it is a > > Hyde, a respected loft, she is a semi-independent dealer of some sort. > > But my furler order was not shipped until I called and she saw she had > > dropped it. After the sail was running late and she went on a > > "sabbatical" cruising, communication went to zero (on her end, no > > response at all to multiple voice mails and e-mails). > > If she actually had nobody in the office (virtual or otherwise) during > > that time, that was her choice, but it cost her my business in future. > > There was an office person who answered during initial calls; dunno what > > happened to them, maybe they went cruising too. Anyhow, zero response > > for weeks and weeks is unacceptable to me from someone I'm spending that > > much money with. > > I don't know if it was another error on her part, or a silent attempt at > > apology, but from my credit card records it looks like I was never > > charged the final percentage of the full cost that would have been > > charged when the sail actually shipped. So I got a small discount for my > > trouble, in a roundabout way. > > > > YMMV of course. > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > On 5/13/19 8:16 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: > >> JudyB at Hyde Sails Direct is also a resource - > >> > >> HydeSailsDirect.com > >> > >> > >> A local, kinda, loft is Yager Sails & Canvas in Spokane. I know they > >> have > >> made very good sails for M17s and M23s - > >> > >> yagersails.com/ > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019, 8:00 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I can't recommend Elliott/Pattison strongly enough - far higher quality > >>> than almost any sails out there but still affordable in M15 sizes... > >>> plus > >>> they're really nice people and have excellent customer service. > >>> https://www.epsails.com/ > >>> > >>> They know M15s very well, you probably don't need to send them any > >>> measurements for a standard jib. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> Tyler > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM > >>> Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 > >>> > >>> Hi: > >>> I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It > >>> still > >>> works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of > >>> nowhere. > >>> Here are the measurements on my jib. > >>> Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one > >>> Boise > >>> isn?t known for its sailmakers. > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Pete Winter Sky > >>> (Zimowsky) > >>> > >>> outdoors writer and photographer > >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > >>> > >>> > >>> "Be with Tahlequah" > >>> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the > >>> summer of > >>> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > >>> issues > >>> to the world to help us save your Orca family. > >>> > >>> > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 22:00:02 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <bc5beb53-93c5-3d73-eb5b-1c18be41cae8(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed When I was selling the outboard that came with my M17 I had a few people who said my price was too high since there was no warranty even though the motor was under 20 hours...due to it sitting around for years. Your story is a great example of what a warranty is worth - or not! The clutch on the Honda 2.3 is pretty simple (same as on that old Tanaka basically, just different sized parts) and the parts aren't that expensive...if you're handy with mechanicals it might be cheapest and quickest to just DIY. https://peparts.honda.com/marine#/browse/oe/bf/bf2/BF2.3DH-LCHA A guy sailing the Sea Pearl all over the Americas replaced his a couple times I think while on the journey. A friend got a brand new Tohatsu 3.5 that was a lemon right off. A couple months in the shop wasted, mostly waiting and nagging, as they didn't want to work on it since he had bought it elsewhere but they were the only authorized warranty provider in the area. cheers, John On 5/13/19 9:33 PM, Sam wrote: > Yeah, for the record, I'm not promoting Peak Sails. They were super > frustrating to deal with, and not at all transparent or responsive once > they had my money. Getting a nice set of sails for < $1000 was a big plus > in the end however, so I'd say that the gamble paid off. I did do quite > extensive research before purchasing from them, and as far as I could tell, > every sail maker had some negative reviews, Peak Sails maybe a few more > than the rest, so I did go into the purchase knowing that things could go > south. > > In a similar vein, my Honda 2.3 has been in for warranty service at a shop > in Lewiston Idaho for a couple of months now after the clutch started > slipping last summer in Desolation Sound, and continued to get worse > through last summer. I have demonstrated the clutch slip to the mechanic at > the shop, who agrees that it is clearly a problem that should be fixed > under warranty. Honda refuses to approve the service unless the shop does > ~8 hours of diagnostic work that Honda refuses to pay for however, so we > are stuck. Meanwhile I am back to using an old 2-stroke (Tanaka 300) > instead of my brand new Honda. Amazingly, the centrifugal clutch on the old > engine is perfectly reliable, and it starts first or second pull after all > these years (I only wish it were quieter and didn't pollute so much). > > I think the moral of the story is that every purchase has an element of > risk, whether it is a "reputable" seller like Honda, or a cut rate drop > shipper with murky business practices. > > Good luck :) > > Sam > > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:06 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > >> PS - I did e-mail Elliot-Patterson about the same time, but got no >> response, whereas I did get a response from JudyB promptly at the start, >> so I went with that. >> >> For whatever next sail I might get (eventually, a new loose footed >> main), I would probably try E/P first, for my Monty anyhow. Not sure if >> they make El Toro sails... :-) >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> >> On 5/13/19 8:50 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: >>> Interesting about Peak Sails...quite the good prices even for >>> 'performance' versions. >>> >>> I got my new furling headsail last year via Judy B/Hyde Sails direct. >>> Several people here recommended her, and others also recommended >>> Elliot/Patterson, as well as various other smaller lofts (I'm also in a >>> place where there are no sailmakers of any size anywhere close at hand). >>> >>> Unfortunately my experience with JudyB was mixed. >>> The very short story is that I wouldn't do business with her again. >>> The sail I eventually got seems well made, it works well, I only got to >>> use it a handful of times before end of season last year. And it is a >>> Hyde, a respected loft, she is a semi-independent dealer of some sort. >>> But my furler order was not shipped until I called and she saw she had >>> dropped it. After the sail was running late and she went on a >>> "sabbatical" cruising, communication went to zero (on her end, no >>> response at all to multiple voice mails and e-mails). >>> If she actually had nobody in the office (virtual or otherwise) during >>> that time, that was her choice, but it cost her my business in future. >>> There was an office person who answered during initial calls; dunno what >>> happened to them, maybe they went cruising too. Anyhow, zero response >>> for weeks and weeks is unacceptable to me from someone I'm spending that >>> much money with. >>> I don't know if it was another error on her part, or a silent attempt at >>> apology, but from my credit card records it looks like I was never >>> charged the final percentage of the full cost that would have been >>> charged when the sail actually shipped. So I got a small discount for my >>> trouble, in a roundabout way. >>> >>> YMMV of course. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> On 5/13/19 8:16 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: >>>> JudyB at Hyde Sails Direct is also a resource - >>>> >>>> HydeSailsDirect.com >>>> >>>> >>>> A local, kinda, loft is Yager Sails & Canvas in Spokane. I know they >>>> have >>>> made very good sails for M17s and M23s - >>>> >>>> yagersails.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 13, 2019, 8:00 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't recommend Elliott/Pattison strongly enough - far higher quality >>>>> than almost any sails out there but still affordable in M15 sizes... >>>>> plus >>>>> they're really nice people and have excellent customer service. >>>>> https://www.epsails.com/ >>>>> >>>>> They know M15s very well, you probably don't need to send them any >>>>> measurements for a standard jib. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Tyler >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 6:50:53 PM >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 >>>>> >>>>> Hi: >>>>> I?ve been sewing up tears and patching holes on my Monty 15 jib. It >>>>> still >>>>> works, however, I?m afraid of a big tear in big winds in the middle of >>>>> nowhere. >>>>> Here are the measurements on my jib. >>>>> Any ideas on where to get a new one and how to go about ordering one >>>>> Boise >>>>> isn?t known for its sailmakers. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Pete Winter Sky >>>>> (Zimowsky) >>>>> >>>>> outdoors writer and photographer >>>>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>>>> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the >>>>> summer of >>>>> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial >>>>> issues >>>>> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 07:08:07 -0600 From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> To: casioqv(a)usermail.com Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <AAC24169-0848-4C8E-82D6-9163CC79BD82(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Tyler: Thank you very much for the recommendation. Will contact them. Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 07:52:17 -0600 From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> To: Pete Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <F606AFA5-D329-42BB-85B6-E16FBCAF0312(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks everyone for all info and recommendations. Appreciate it. Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > On May 14, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Hi Tyler: > Thank you very much for the recommendation. Will contact them. > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 14:05:35 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New jib for Monty 15 Message-ID: <BYAPR17MB253524B49C955A4BBD8E8987B7080(a)BYAPR17MB2535.namprd17.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Without a doubt go with EPSails.com Harry is ?The man?. The sails fit perfectly and they arrive at your door. Bob Eeg Sent from my iPad > On May 14, 2019, at 6:52 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Thanks everyone for all info and recommendations. > Appreciate it. > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > >> On May 14, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tyler: >> Thank you very much for the recommendation. Will contact them. >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com<http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 195, Issue 10 *************************************************

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Torqeedo for M15
by Bruce Chmieleski 13 May '19

13 May '19

https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/travel/travel-1003/M-1… Run time is about 10 hours at 2 knots; 3 hours at 3 knots; 30 min at 5 knots. Spare battery is pricey but good insurance to avoid epic crossings. Bruce Sent by mental telepathy!

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Torqueedo for M15
by Bruce Chmieleski 10 May '19

10 May '19

I have a 1003S on my M15 since Aug. 2018. I chose it over the 503 to have the extra run time via its beefier 520 Wh battery. I have the standard fixed mount on the port side of the transom but added wedges to to its surfaces to make the motor shaft vertical and allow the tiller/throttle to better clear the transom when the motor is pivoted up for sailing. The 1003L would probably give you more mounting options (as in higher) and better clearances. Either way, the Torqueedo is a very fine piece of technology and I really like not messing about with liquid fuel. Cheers, Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA M15 #364 TenderLee Sent by mental telepathy!

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