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Re: M_Boats: M-15 for sale near Orlando, FL, USA
by bownez＠juno.com 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

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M-15 for sale near Orlando, FL, USA
by Charlie Fortner 17 Mar '19

17 Mar '19

Not mine. I don't know anything about it. This has been popping up in my craigslist searches for a month now. https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/boa/d/winter-park-sailboat/6820584763.html This ad has only recently had the manufacturer listed. For a long time it was only listed as a sail boat. It was that shapely stern and lovely lapstrakes that caught my eye as I was scrolling through the pictures. Charlie -- Earth, USA, GA, Atlanta M15 #411

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 193, Issue 5
by Kirby Stross 11 Mar '19

11 Mar '19

m15 vs M17....M-15 bunks easier to crawl into than M-17 because of M-17 deck support stanchion inside cabin. Best Kirby S. M-17hull 395 On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: M17 vs M15 (Bob Eeg) > 3. Re: M17 vs M15 (Lawrence Winiarski) > 4. Re: M17 vs M15 (John Schinnerer) > 5. Re: M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky) > 6. Re: M17 vs M15 (islandergirl80(a)yahoo.com) > 7. Re: M17 vs M15 (Thomas Buzzi) > 8. Re: M17 vs M15 (Douglas Kelch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:35:49 -0800 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 > Message-ID: <62D24DB5-4B02-4588-B7AF-B96040609716(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi all: > I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I?m > doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It?s the age old debate. > Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island > hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 > Pete > Chinook Breeze; 377 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > > > > Capt David > > > > I did it about 10 yrs ago > > I will look for pic > > Capt Jim > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> > >> Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > >> > >> Skipper > >> On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and > expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller > >> I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel > ballast with lead. > >> If you what more details sand me an email > >> > >> Captain Dos Colitas > >> Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> > On Behalf Of Burton Lowry > >> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > >> > >> Hi James, > >> > >> Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust > that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to > do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay > to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. > If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca > cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the > >> molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a > lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that > way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. > >> I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to > last forever. > >> > >> --Burt in Maine > >> > >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 > >>> M17(Not > >>> Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, > >>> but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's > >>> not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the > >>> cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . > >>> Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the > >>> top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, > >>> floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was > >>> able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to > >>> have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - > >>> since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop > >>> all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail > >>> with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the > >>> amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely > >>> hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and > >>> lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it > >>> from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig > out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to > avoid. > >>> If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap > for > >>> the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge > >>> works. Jim in Denton Texas > >>> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 04:08:11 +0000 > From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 > Message-ID: > < > MWHPR1701MB19366B7493719DA1D92BF472B74D0(a)MWHPR1701MB1936.namprd17.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Pete > > Get one built after 1995. Bring a magnet with you to make sure Lead > ballast. > > Bob.... > > > [image1.jpeg] > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > Hi all: > I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I?m > doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It?s the age old debate. > Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island > hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 > Pete > Chinook Breeze; 377 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com<mailto: > jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>> wrote: > > Capt David > > I did it about 10 yrs ago > I will look for pic > Capt Jim > > > > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com<mailto: > jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > > Skipper > On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and > expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller > I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel > ballast with lead. > If you what more details sand me an email > > Captain Dos Colitas > Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > <mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com>> On Behalf Of > Burton Lowry > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > > Hi James, > > Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust > that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to > do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay > to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. > If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca > cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the > molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a > lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that > way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. > I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to > last forever. > > --Burt in Maine > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com<mailto: > jamesehymes(a)gmail.com>> wrote: > > My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 > M17(Not > Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, > but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's > not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the > cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . > Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the > top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, > floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was > able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to > have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - > since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop > all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail > with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the > amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely > hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and > lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it > from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out > the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to > avoid. > If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for > the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge > works. Jim in Denton Texas > > > > >

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Rig experimenting
by Rusty Knorr 09 Mar '19

09 Mar '19

Hey all. Just curious if anyone knows of a lug rigged M15. I think it would be a fun experiment! Not sure if the mast placement would work though. Thoughts? Rusty M15 “Vanilla”

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M15 spinnaker pole
by Dave Scobie 09 Mar '19

09 Mar '19

I clearing out storage and found my old M15's spinnaker pole! Very good condition and needs a new home. Free to a MSOG member - please pay shipping if you can't pick up (I'm in greater Seattle area). Pole is 80" long. Pictures attached. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com

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M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky)
by Rusty Knorr 09 Mar '19

09 Mar '19

Hey Peter, My suggestion is keep the 15 at all costs because you will just end up replacing it if you sell it. Been there, done that! If you’re looking for more boat for a 2 week cruise in the islands just charter something. Get a 30 or 40 footer and stretch out for those 2 weeks and enjoy yourself, and especially enjoy the diesel and roomy cabin for the San Juan summer where the wind is light and the sun is hot. Host parties on the boat for bikini clad beauties, just don’t talk about it on the M15, it might get jealous. -Rusty Knorr M15 “Vanilla” www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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M17 vs M15
by David Grah 08 Mar '19

08 Mar '19

Not to take issue, but I believe my 1985 or 1986 Montgomery 15 has steel ballast and it has never caused a bit of problem nor bit of worry from me. I would acknowledge that lead ballast might be preferred, but would dispute that it is the only way to go. We love our steel ballasted 15! Videos to prove it: https://www.youtube.com/user/dgrah/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0 David GrahBishop California Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:26:51 -0500 From: islandergirl80(a)yahoo.com To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 Message-ID: <F60521E9-EB03-4821-8F2C-5CE96D2CA329(a)yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn?t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn?t care either. Sent from my iPhone

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M17 vs M15
by Peter Zimowsky 08 Mar '19

08 Mar '19

Hi all: I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I’m doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It’s the age old debate. Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 Pete Chinook Breeze; 377 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > > Capt David > > I did it about 10 yrs ago > I will look for pic > Capt Jim > > > > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard >> >> Skipper >> On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller >> I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. >> If you what more details sand me an email >> >> Captain Dos Colitas >> Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry >> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard >> >> Hi James, >> >> Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the >> molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. >> I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever. >> >> --Burt in Maine >> >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 >>> M17(Not >>> Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, >>> but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's >>> not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the >>> cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . >>> Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the >>> top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, >>> floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was >>> able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to >>> have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - >>> since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop >>> all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail >>> with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the >>> amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely >>> hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and >>> lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it >>> from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. >>> If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for >>> the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge >>> works. Jim in Denton Texas >>> >

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Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard
by David Eisner 07 Mar '19

07 Mar '19

Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard Skipper On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. If you what more details sand me an email Captain Dos Colitas Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard Hi James, Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever. --Burt in Maine On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 > M17(Not > Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, > but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's > not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the > cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . > Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the > top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, > floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was > able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to > have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - > since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop > all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail > with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the > amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely > hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and > lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it > from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. > If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for > the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge > works. Jim in Denton Texas >

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Sailboat for sale listing #1078 7-19-17
by Kirby Stross 07 Mar '19

07 Mar '19

Please take down Montgomery 17 sailboat for sale July 2017. I bought Dave Weber’s M-17 in Superior, Wisconsin a week before his untimely death. His obit is listed in Duluth News Tribune May 23, 2017. If you require more info call me at 218-969-9763 Best Kirby Stross M-17. Hull 395 Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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