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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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new mast for M17; run halyards inside or out?
by Gerry Lempicki 01 Apr '19

01 Apr '19

Hi all,I am getting a new mast for my Montgomery 17 from Dwyer. One of the options is to use a new single slot masthead with 2 sheaves, which would allow running halyards down inside the mast. Another would be to use the two slot 4 sheave as in the original. Thoughts? Any pros or cons one way or the other?Thanks!-Gerry

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M17 Rigging
by Gerry Lempicki 21 Mar '19

21 Mar '19

OK, I'm learning by leaps and bounds here. I really appreciate the help. It makes more sense now that I know the opening was already lowered. So then the gooseneck would be inserted and raised up a bit in the mast...but where would that line from the gooseneck have been anchored to keep the boom down (resisting the sail and halyard pulling up)? I'll attach a couple more photos to show more.I found what I assume is the mainsheet with two blocks. I'm guessing the larger block with cam cleat attaches to the traveller on the forward cockpit sole, and the single block goes on the eye about midway on the boom. Correct? And how would the jib sheets be run back on the M17? I did find 2 separate single blocks; I'm not sure where they were used. I also have a telescoping forspar; it has what a would call a probe on one end and a clip on the other end. Gee, I'm almost ready to drop the mast again, install the halyards (I found 2), raise the mast again and hoist the sails. Then I can take real measurements for the new mast. Oh, there was also a custom whatsit in a locker (see photo). It's made from a pvc glue in coupling and two jam or V cleats; any idea what this was for?

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Re: M_Boats: M17 whisker pole and headsail tack.
by Dave Scobie 21 Mar '19

21 Mar '19

Gerry. Tack is supposed to be at the bow, not 'up in the air'. This is why the whisker pole angle isn't correct. Off the top of my head the spinnaker eye is about 20" from the bottom of the mast. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 1:31 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > So today we lowered the mast to put in halyards, then raised it again and > tried putting the sails on/up. So far so good. I raised the jib enough so > the foot cleared the pulpit, then checked the fit of the whisker pole. If > it's supposed to work with this sail and if it should be close to > horizontal, that pad eye on the mast should move up to about 40" from the > base. Right now it's 22" up from base. Everything else looks good to me; > we took a lot of measurements so we know where the boom sits and where to > open up the slot for inserting the gooseneck. Next step, order the mast > and get the boat off the trailer to remove the centerboard.

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Re: M_Boats: Jerry Montgomery M17/M17/M23 Rigging
by Dave Scobie 20 Mar '19

20 Mar '19

> Jerry does rigging fabrication. Old information. As of 2016/7 Jerry no longer does rigging. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 9:34 AM Thomas Howe <Thomas(a)thomashoweonline.com> wrote: > This is a good place to go to the source, Jerry does rigging fabrication. > > Thomas Howe >

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More M17 rigging
by Gerry Lempicki 20 Mar '19

20 Mar '19

Thanks for the replies so far. All that info has been helpful. Also, I just found out I lied! I did find a milk crate loaded with lines and blocks had slid back in the quarter berth. Let me explain a little more about what I am doing. I got this boat reasonably (I think) because it needs a mast (it looks like it fell or was dropped). I'm also new to sailing, so all the terms and parts are new to me although I've been reading like crazy and trying to put together what I read with what I see. (I did join a club for this coming year, and have some people to mentor me, but they have not seen the M17 yet, nor are they intimately familiar with the M-17 rigging. That said, when I get the new mast, I'd like to incorporate any changes that should be done at that time. I'm within driving distance of Dwyer, so I'll go out there with my mast and get the new one ordered. My boom has a gooseneck that slides in the mast slot. Once inserted in the widened area, it can slide up or down; what is the correct place for the boom on the mast, and what keeps it there? And what holds the back of the boom up with the sail down or reefed? Was there originally a topping lift to the masthead? The aft end of my boom has a short piece of line that is long enough to reach the ring in the backstay arrangement; maybe they tied it there?The gooseneck appears to have a spot for the tack, a reefing hook, and an eyelet on the bottom. My mainsail has slugs/slides on the luff, and a boltrope on the foot. I've read of people having trouble with the slugs coming out of the opening in it's stock position, and I'm wondering if there is a better spot to have the opening machined. And speaking of a new mast, I assume I should stay with the same length if I'm using the same sails? My mast is 21'4" (extrusion only, not including masthead). I want to get new standing rigging too, so this would be the time to make any changes. My rigging seems to be the original style with oval swage sleeves. I might stay with that style unless there is a good reason to change it all over. I took a series of photos in order to clarify and ask some more specific questions; is there a good way to share them with the list? Are you all on the FB group? Thanks again!Gerry

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photo attachment test
by Gerry Lempicki 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

I haven't tried attaching a photo to a mail list server before. If this works, maybe someone can confirm the intended use of all the attachment points. Is the port lower cleat for jib halyard and starboard for main halyard? Then what about the eye straps on the port side and the composite cleats opposite them on the starboard side? I appreciate all the help!

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M-17 Rigging Instructions?
by Gerry Lempicki 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

Hi everyone, I bought a 1974 M17 over the winter. It needs some work to be ready to go. I’m figuring some things out, but I am confused about how the running rigging was originally run and set up. And actually what size/material was used too. The sheaves in the masthead have fairly small grooves. It doesn’t appear that I got any halyards or lines with the boat. I see the rigging instructions for the M-15; is there anything similar out there for the M-17? I’ve had no luck searching. Or a list of materials needed to replace all running rigging? Thanks for any input on this. Gerry

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Rigging Instructions?
by Dave Scobie 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

Peter. Best recommendation is to take the current set to a rigging shop and have them duplicated. West Marine, for example, will do this. The basics, as shared by Jerry Montgomery, are - 1/8" 1X19 316 stainless wire with a thimbled loop on top, and a swaged marine eye on the bottom. "Regarding the Montgomery 15: the only change I ever made to the standing rigging during the production life of the boat was to increase the length of the forestay about an inch and shorten the shrouds about half that much. Initially, there was an amazing coincidence in that all three wires were nearly the same length; plenty close enough so that the stay adjusters would take up the difference if the forestay was set in one of the last two holes. Only problem was that new sailors would try to balance all the wires to as close to the center of the adjusters as possible which set up the mast too plumb; the 15 sails best with the mast raked aft. As soon as I became aware that people were doing this I simply lengthened the forestay and shortened the shrouds, encouraging owners to set up the mast with a little rake. I hate to see Montgomery boats going slow!" :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 7:04 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Hi guys: > Is there a spec sheet available for M15s like the one posted for M17s? > I’ve been replacing my shrouds and forestay and want to make sure I’m > doing it right. > Thanks, > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) >

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New Mast
by David Anderson 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

After 30 years of trailering a sailboat, I made a rookie mistake and hit an overhead object with the mast. Hence, I need a new mast. Does anyone have specifications that I can give to a mast provider such as Dyer for a 1981 Montgomery 15? or, Does anyone know where else I can order a mast for the 15? Thanks, David Anderson

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