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In my M15 I was concerned, perhaps overly so, that in a capsise (last
letter of alphabet key not working on my laptop lately), the enclosed area
under the cockpit seats, would fill with water. So I purchased 10 cheap
lightweight gym bags and filled each of them with about 10 empty plastic
gatorade bottles, and fastened each bag closed and shoved them all under
the cockpit seats, from the small access windows on each side of
the companionway. It has the added benefit of filling up that area, such
that anything that gets dropped in there by mistake, won't go too far so as
to be virtually unretrievable, and it acts as sort of a stop wall for when
i put small storage containers in there on each side. - Brad
1
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re: foam
Thanks for all the answers about foam. I never thought of dock foam - where I am docked they're putting in all new foam. I will check with them.
BonnieMoonbeam 15
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1. Re: floatation foam (Burton Lowry)
2. Re: floatation foam (John Schinnerer)
3. Re: Looking for Opinions - M17 (Darrin Goodman)
4. Re: floatation foam (Dave Scobie)
5. Re: Looking for Opinions - M17 (Dave Scobie)
6. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 (Kevin Sandwick)
7. Re: Looking for Opinions - M17 (John Schinnerer)
8. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (doug)
9. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (doug)
10. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie)
11. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (doug)
12. Re: floatation foam (msminchome(a)aol.com)
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14. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org)
15. Re: Styro below (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org)
16. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org)
17. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Doug 9326)
18. Re: floatation foam (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org)
19. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Doug)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:08:24 -0400
From: Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
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Bonnie,
There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The
problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm
putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very
expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock
systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you
a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with
pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
Burt
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Bonnie.
>
> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will
> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small
> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
>
> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
>
> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than
> the foam!
>
> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a
> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or
> amout
> > of foam to buy?
> > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:26:24 -0700
From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net>
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
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You can also get various kinds of foam in 4x8 sheets and sometimes 2x4
and 4x4 also, from your local building supply (sold as insulating foam,
you don't need the highest insulation value per inch so the cheapest
that is closed cell will do). Typical thicknesses are from 1" to 4" -
cut pieces to fit; glue together (waterproof construction adhesive from
building supply) into blocks if desired.
cheers,
John S.
On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
> Bonnie,
>
> There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The
> problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm
> putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very
> expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock
> systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you
> a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with
> pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
>
> Burt
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bonnie.
>>
>> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will
>> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small
>> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
>>
>> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
>>
>> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than
>> the foam!
>>
>> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a
>> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
>>
>>
>> :: Dave Scobie
>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>> :: M6'8" #650
>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or
>> amout
>>> of foam to buy?
>>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:42:32 -0600
From: Darrin Goodman <darrin.goodman(a)gmail.com>
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17
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Hi John, this is good information, thank you!
There's just three of us. My daughter + wife = "the girls".
I climbed into a Potter 19 recently and it felt a bit too confined to me
with the way the keel splits the cabin in half. I looked up the Ensenada
20 and that looks like it could work for us - thanks for the suggestion!
-Darrin
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:14 AM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote:
> I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small
> enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you
> say daughter, another "my girls"...?
>
> Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if
> the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me
> :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a
> bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and
> your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in
> the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the
> well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches,
> or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-).
> For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted.
> For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small.
>
> I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head
> hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of
> the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they
> need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our
> feet...
>
> A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that
> meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the
> M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids:
>
> West Wight Potter 19 -
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156
> More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed
> by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the
> cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of
> an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you
> (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig &
> launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for
> your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo.
> Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a
> fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow
> shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
> lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing
> club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched &
> retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper.
> Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable
> price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age
> as well as condition.
>
> Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin).
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53
> Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering
> weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on
> fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also
> (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at
> pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate
> for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe
> even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised
> deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less
> so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising
> with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers
> can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I
> bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping
> when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
> lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than
> M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but
> it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any
> spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on
> Balboa deck version).
> These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981
> so all are fairly old.
>
> Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my
> experience.
>
> cheers,
> John S.
>
>
> On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I
> > have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am
> no
> > stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and
> > whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips.
> >
> > Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I
> would
> > have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a
> smaller
> > trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in
> > that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more
> involved
> > to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the
> whole
> > season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to
> > single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive
> to
> > own/store/maintain.
> >
> > I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to
> do
> > the following:
> > - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited
> to
> > just one body of water
> > - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone
> > - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with
> my
> > wife and daughter
> > - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a
> > plus
> >
> > I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's
> > trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to
> > set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other
> > than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that
> sometimes
> > perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up
> > space in the cabin for my girls.
> >
> > Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you
> feel
> > like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and
> I
> > be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit
> > on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would
> > recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here?
> >
> > Thanks so much in advance!
> >
> > -Darrin
> >
>
> --
> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
> --------------------------------------------
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:12:38 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
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DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene
or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible!
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
> > Bonnie,
> >
> > There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The
> > problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm
> > putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very
> > expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock
> > systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell
> you
> > a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with
> > pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
> >
> > Burt
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Bonnie.
> >>
> >> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will
> >> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small
> >> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
> >>
> >> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
> >>
> >> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than
> >> the foam!
> >>
> >> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a
> >> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
> >>
> >>
> >> :: Dave Scobie
> >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >> :: M6'8" #650
> >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or
> >> amout
> >>> of foam to buy?
> >>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:25:02 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17
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Darrin:
The Ensenada 20 is a Hess design. I believe Jerry Montgomery built the 1st
hull mold for the E20 (or it may have been the Balboa 20 I get them flipped
sometimes as the hulls are the same). How Jerry paid the the M17 tooling!
Jerry's expectation was Lyle design the M17 so it out sails E, or is it the
B?, 20. When the first M17 built Jerry sailed it against Lyle in the 20.
Jerry beat Lyle!
A M17/15 or Sage17/15/SC or E/B20 will perform better than a P19.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 11:42 AM Darrin Goodman <darrin.goodman(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi John, this is good information, thank you!
>
> There's just three of us. My daughter + wife = "the girls".
>
> I climbed into a Potter 19 recently and it felt a bit too confined to me
> with the way the keel splits the cabin in half. I looked up the Ensenada
> 20 and that looks like it could work for us - thanks for the suggestion!
>
> -Darrin
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:14 AM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small
> > enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you
> > say daughter, another "my girls"...?
> >
> > Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if
> > the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me
> > :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a
> > bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and
> > your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in
> > the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the
> > well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches,
> > or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-).
> > For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted.
> > For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small.
> >
> > I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head
> > hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of
> > the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they
> > need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our
> > feet...
> >
> > A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that
> > meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the
> > M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids:
> >
> > West Wight Potter 19 -
> > http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156
> > More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed
> > by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the
> > cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of
> > an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you
> > (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig &
> > launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for
> > your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo.
> > Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a
> > fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow
> > shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
> > lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing
> > club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched &
> > retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper.
> > Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable
> > price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age
> > as well as condition.
> >
> > Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin).
> > http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53
> > Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering
> > weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on
> > fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also
> > (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at
> > pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate
> > for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe
> > even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised
> > deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less
> > so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising
> > with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers
> > can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I
> > bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping
> > when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
> > lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than
> > M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but
> > it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any
> > spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on
> > Balboa deck version).
> > These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981
> > so all are fairly old.
> >
> > Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my
> > experience.
> >
> > cheers,
> > John S.
> >
> >
> > On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and
> I
> > > have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I
> am
> > no
> > > stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and
> > > whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips.
> > >
> > > Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I
> > would
> > > have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a
> > smaller
> > > trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom
> in
> > > that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more
> > involved
> > > to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the
> > whole
> > > season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult
> to
> > > single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive
> > to
> > > own/store/maintain.
> > >
> > > I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to
> > do
> > > the following:
> > > - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited
> > to
> > > just one body of water
> > > - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone
> > > - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips
> with
> > my
> > > wife and daughter
> > > - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would
> be a
> > > plus
> > >
> > > I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's
> > > trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to
> > > set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff
> other
> > > than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that
> > sometimes
> > > perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up
> > > space in the cabin for my girls.
> > >
> > > Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you
> > feel
> > > like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife
> and
> > I
> > > be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter
> fit
> > > on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would
> > > recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here?
> > >
> > > Thanks so much in advance!
> > >
> > > -Darrin
> > >
> >
> > --
> > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
> > --------------------------------------------
> > - Eco-Living -
> > Whole Systems Design Services
> > People - Place - Learning - Integration
> > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334
> > http://eco-living.net
> > http://sociocracyconsulting.com
> >
> >
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:32:32 +0000
From: Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick(a)hotmail.com>
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Re-Styrofoam Floatation
A fix I learned on the Daysailer (O'Day) website when the original foam got saturated, Remove it all and replace with 2 liter soda bottles.
Each 2 liter bottle provides 4.4 pounds of floatation.
I filled the inner hull with bottles and felt very comfortable that my 575 pound boat would stay on top of the water if capsized.
Your mileage may vary!
Kevin
M-17 # 400
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5. Re: Styrofoam below (Mark Dvorscak)
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18. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Steve Trapp)
19. Re: floatation foam (Dave Scobie)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:06:40 -0700
From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below
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Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
Bruce
Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
> Message-ID:
>
> Bruce:
>
> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
>
> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were
> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:17:32 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below
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Bruce:
Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!!
If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means
replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail
in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that
will sink so floatation isn't something I think about.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the
> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion.
> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first
> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the
> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I
> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
> >
> > Bruce Chmieleski
> > Vacaville, CA
> >
> > Sent by mental telepathy!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
> > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > Bruce:
> >
> > That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
> > remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
> >
> > Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's
> were
> > good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:39:08 -0700
From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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Brad,
I bought 1985 M-15 # 335 when it was new, and also have the chunks of
stryrofoam in the forward hatch, which I understand are there for floataion,
but have never swamped the boat for the acid test, and have not developed
any odor. I think if you need to replace those you have, do replace them
for flotation, and be careful about any water getting into the cabin because
it will leak into the compartment.
Steve
M-15 # 335
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Chmieleski
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:31 AM
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in
the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these
part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I
would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either
solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski
Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:50:20 -0700
From: Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:21:31 -0700
From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported
in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more
mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!?
Mark Dvorscak
M23 & M15
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
> Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked
> the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
> bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
> displays #365 also.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
> >
> > Bruce Chmieleski
> > Vacaville, CA
> >
> > Sent by mental telepathy!
> >
>
>
>
On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the
imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:53:47 -0700
From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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I've heard that when boats aren't sailed enough the embossed numbers slowly
change to the previous number. The scientific name for this phenomenon is
changavitus and has been recorded occasionally throughout history. Anyway,
that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dvorscak
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:21 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported
in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more
mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!?
Mark Dvorscak
M23 & M15
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
> Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked
> the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
> bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
> displays #365 also.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit
> odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
> >
> > Bruce Chmieleski
> > Vacaville, CA
> >
> > Sent by mental telepathy!
> >
>
>
>
On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the
imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:14:03 -0700
From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net>
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17
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I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small
enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you
say daughter, another "my girls"...?
Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if
the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me
:-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a
bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and
your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in
the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the
well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches,
or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-).
For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted.
For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small.
I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head
hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of
the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they
need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our
feet...
A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that
meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the
M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids:
West Wight Potter 19 - http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156
More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed
by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the
cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of
an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you
(and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig &
launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for
your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo.
Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a
fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow
shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing
club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched &
retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper.
Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable
price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age
as well as condition.
Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin).
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53
Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering
weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on
fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also
(cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at
pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate
for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe
even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised
deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less
so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising
with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers
can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I
bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping
when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than
M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but
it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any
spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on
Balboa deck version).
These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981
so all are fairly old.
Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my experience.
cheers,
John S.
On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I
> have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am no
> stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and
> whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips.
>
> Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I would
> have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a smaller
> trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in
> that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more involved
> to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the whole
> season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to
> single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive to
> own/store/maintain.
>
> I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to do
> the following:
> - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited to
> just one body of water
> - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone
> - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with my
> wife and daughter
> - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a
> plus
>
> I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's
> trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to
> set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other
> than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that sometimes
> perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up
> space in the cabin for my girls.
>
> Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you feel
> like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and I
> be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit
> on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would
> recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here?
>
> Thanks so much in advance!
>
> -Darrin
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:03:00 -0400
From: Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below
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To remove the odor from petrol--
I have been told... and experienced...that there is a degree of porosity to fiberglass layup with polyester resin. So this may be more than just on the surface. Removing the tainted flotation is a start. Kitty litter can do a good job of sucking up oil, but for small amounts we have found talcum powder ? as in baby powder, to be amazingly effective. It works wonders in getting oil spots off clothing, though it may take a few applications. I'm wondering if several heavy dustings with talcum powder may help bring that odor out. It's a cheap fix if it works.
I imagine the previous owner was storing the gas tank for the outboard in the cabin to keep it from being stolen. And, that the vent wasn't shut.... far better to have a dedicated locker in the cockpit that is ventilated, and separate from the cabin air. This can be some work to install on a boat that doesn't have it, but it is possible. As I only have a Montgomery 12, I don't know the arrangement on the 15.
Burt
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bruce:
>
> Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!!
>
> If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means
> replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail
> in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that
> will sink so floatation isn't something I think about.
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the
>> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion.
>> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first
>> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the
>> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I
>> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> Sent by mental telepathy!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
>> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
>> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
>> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
>> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
>> either solution on this topic.
>>>
>>> Bruce Chmieleski
>>> Vacaville, CA
>>>
>>> Sent by mental telepathy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
>>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
>>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> Bruce:
>>>
>>> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
>>> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
>>>
>>> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's
>> were
>>> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:48:52 -0700
From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:03:55 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or
> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy
> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to
> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is
> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:30:35 -0700
From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Doug:
>
> Boat? 15 or 17?
>
> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>
> Year of boat?
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or
>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy
>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to
>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is
>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:34:03 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
>
> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doug:
> >
> > Boat? 15 or 17?
> >
> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> >
> > Year of boat?
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or
> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
> enjoy
> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> attaches to
> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left
> is
> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:36:35 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than
one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
longer around).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
>>
>> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Doug:
>> >
>> > Boat? 15 or 17?
>> >
>> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>> >
>> > Year of boat?
>> >
>> >
>> > :: Dave Scobie
>> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>> > :: M6'8" #650
>> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
>> or
>> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
>> enjoy
>> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need
>> to
>> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
>> attaches to
>> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
>> left is
>> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:42:48 -0600
From: Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
>
> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than
> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
> longer around).
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
> >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
> fitting.
> >>
> >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Doug:
> >> >
> >> > Boat? 15 or 17?
> >> >
> >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> >> >
> >> > Year of boat?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > :: Dave Scobie
> >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >> > :: M6'8" #650
> >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
> >> or
> >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
> >> enjoy
> >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need
> >> to
> >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> >> attaches to
> >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
> >> left is
> >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
> >>
> >>
>
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:49:34 +0000
From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Doug
I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....?
You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru the mast
capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the
Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
>>
>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than
>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
>> longer around).
>>
>>
>> :: Dave Scobie
>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>> :: M6'8" #650
>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
>> fitting.
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug:
>>>>>
>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17?
>>>>>
>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Year of boat?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
>>>> or
>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
>>>> enjoy
>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need
>>>> to
>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
>>>> attaches to
>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
>>>> left is
>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:51:15 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Doug:
For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't
remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I
think).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
> >
> > A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size
> than
> > one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
> > longer around).
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
> > >
> > >
> > > :: Dave Scobie
> > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > > :: M6'8" #650
> > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> > >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal
> casting
> > >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
> > fitting.
> > >>
> > >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Doug:
> > >> >
> > >> > Boat? 15 or 17?
> > >> >
> > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> > >> >
> > >> > Year of boat?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > :: Dave Scobie
> > >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > >> > :: M6'8" #650
> > >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was
> down
> > >> or
> > >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order
> to
> > >> enjoy
> > >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I
> need
> > >> to
> > >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> > >> attaches to
> > >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
> > >> left is
> > >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com"
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Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy?
Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:31:01 -0700
From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski
Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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Bruce:
That is the standard floatation foam.? If they have become soiled you can
remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
Are they obviously dirty?? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were
good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous
> so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:31:28 -0700
From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com>
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That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast
and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the
local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave
Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the bolt
and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a motor
free lake, did you have a paddle?
Steve
M-15 # 335
-----Original Message-----
From: doug
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it
could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy
some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to
the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is
the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. =
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:26:43 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, For and about
Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
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Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will
sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small
pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than
the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a
polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout
> of foam to buy?
> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:40:04 -0700
From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17
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The M-17 might do OK for two adults and a kid for 2-3 day
outings...you'd want to visit one live if possible.
the Ensenada will be quite roomy by comparison, and, there's all the
other differences.
There's a Coastal Recreation (builder of Ensenada 20, Balboa 20 and
various other boats in that era) yahoo group with some helpful folks on
it. I'll send you some of the E20 links I collected, off-list.
Agree about Potter interior with DB trunk in the way, just mentioned it
'cause I've actually sailed one...their replacement for the P19, the
Voyager 20, has shifted to, surprise surprise, a shallow keel with drop
centerboard.
cheers,
John S.
On 09/05/2018 11:42 AM, Darrin Goodman wrote:
> Hi John, this is good information, thank you!
>
> There's just three of us. My daughter + wife = "the girls".
>
> I climbed into a Potter 19 recently and it felt a bit too confined to me
> with the way the keel splits the cabin in half. I looked up the Ensenada
> 20 and that looks like it could work for us - thanks for the suggestion!
>
> -Darrin
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:14 AM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote:
>
>> I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small
>> enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you
>> say daughter, another "my girls"...?
>>
>> Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if
>> the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me
>> :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a
>> bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and
>> your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in
>> the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the
>> well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches,
>> or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-).
>> For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted.
>> For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small.
>>
>> I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head
>> hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of
>> the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they
>> need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our
>> feet...
>>
>> A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that
>> meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the
>> M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids:
>>
>> West Wight Potter 19 -
>> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156
>> More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed
>> by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the
>> cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of
>> an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you
>> (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig &
>> launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for
>> your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo.
>> Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a
>> fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow
>> shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
>> lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing
>> club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched &
>> retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper.
>> Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable
>> price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age
>> as well as condition.
>>
>> Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin).
>> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53
>> Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering
>> weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on
>> fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also
>> (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at
>> pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate
>> for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe
>> even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised
>> deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less
>> so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising
>> with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers
>> can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I
>> bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping
>> when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
>> lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than
>> M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but
>> it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any
>> spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on
>> Balboa deck version).
>> These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981
>> so all are fairly old.
>>
>> Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my
>> experience.
>>
>> cheers,
>> John S.
>>
>>
>> On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I
>>> have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am
>> no
>>> stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and
>>> whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips.
>>>
>>> Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I
>> would
>>> have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a
>> smaller
>>> trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in
>>> that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more
>> involved
>>> to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the
>> whole
>>> season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to
>>> single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive
>> to
>>> own/store/maintain.
>>>
>>> I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to
>> do
>>> the following:
>>> - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited
>> to
>>> just one body of water
>>> - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone
>>> - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with
>> my
>>> wife and daughter
>>> - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a
>>> plus
>>>
>>> I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's
>>> trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to
>>> set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other
>>> than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that
>> sometimes
>>> perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up
>>> space in the cabin for my girls.
>>>
>>> Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you
>> feel
>>> like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and
>> I
>>> be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit
>>> on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would
>>> recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here?
>>>
>>> Thanks so much in advance!
>>>
>>> -Darrin
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> --------------------------------------------
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>>
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:02:07 -0700
From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is attached to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then captured from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix.
About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many boats do as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped fishing boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem with Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so one has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo Lake which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to Odell. People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp (water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer.
Doug
M-15
Bend, Oregon
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote:
>
> That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a motor free lake, did you have a paddle?
> Steve
> M-15 # 335
>
> -----Original Message----- From: doug
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
>
> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. =
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:03:44 -0700
From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Thanks Dave. I may get around to posting some photos of my fine little yacht/M-15. She is looking nice with some good rigging, transom mounted ladder, teak rudder, new Honda 2hp, and very clean inside and out.
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Doug:
>
> For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't
> remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I
> think).
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
>>>
>>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size
>> than
>>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
>>> longer around).
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
>>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal
>> casting
>>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
>>> fitting.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Year of boat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was
>> down
>>>>> or
>>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order
>> to
>>>>> enjoy
>>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I
>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
>>>>> attaches to
>>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
>>>>> left is
>>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:26:12 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Doug.
Yeah ... 15 uses a 1/4" bolt. Get 316 or 18-8 stainless, a nyloc nut and
washers. M15 is a simple rig so easy to repair. Check condition of the
thimble eye and at the lower end the mechanical swage. Anything seem
fishy, or broken wire strands (meathooks) replace the forestay.
M17 is _completely_ different and more difficult to replace as the hardware
is out of production. (The two boats only similar in rigging wires as both
use 1/8".)
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 1:04 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Dave. I may get around to posting some photos of my fine little
> yacht/M-15. She is looking nice with some good rigging, transom mounted
> ladder, teak rudder, new Honda 2hp, and very clean inside and out.
>
> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doug:
> >
> > For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't
> > remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I
> > think).
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
> >>>
> >>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size
> >> than
> >>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
> >>> longer around).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> :: Dave Scobie
> >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >>> :: M6'8" #650
> >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> :: Dave Scobie
> >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >>>> :: M6'8" #650
> >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> >>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal
> >> casting
> >>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
> >>> fitting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Doug:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Year of boat?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
> >>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
> >>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was
> >> down
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order
> >> to
> >>>>> enjoy
> >>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I
> >> need
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> >>>>> attaches to
> >>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
> >>>>> left is
> >>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:37:50 -0700
From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
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Thanks again. Rigging looks new with no meathooks. Definitely will use stainless. I took the bolt out that runs through the mast for the shrouds recently. Little did I know that it also holds the forestay. When I saw the forestay had come loose I found that oblong hole in the mast and sure wondered how a fitting could just come loose and out without any tampering or use. Now I know. As usual, its user error, mine.
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Doug.
>
> Yeah ... 15 uses a 1/4" bolt. Get 316 or 18-8 stainless, a nyloc nut and
> washers. M15 is a simple rig so easy to repair. Check condition of the
> thimble eye and at the lower end the mechanical swage. Anything seem
> fishy, or broken wire strands (meathooks) replace the forestay.
>
> M17 is _completely_ different and more difficult to replace as the hardware
> is out of production. (The two boats only similar in rigging wires as both
> use 1/8".)
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 1:04 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave. I may get around to posting some photos of my fine little
>> yacht/M-15. She is looking nice with some good rigging, transom mounted
>> ladder, teak rudder, new Honda 2hp, and very clean inside and out.
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug:
>>>
>>> For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't
>>> remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I
>>> think).
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
>>>>>
>>>>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size
>>>> than
>>>>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
>>>>> longer around).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
>>>>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal
>>>> casting
>>>>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
>>>>> fitting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doug:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Year of boat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was
>>>> down
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order
>>>> to
>>>>>>> enjoy
>>>>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I
>>>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
>>>>>>> attaches to
>>>>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
>>>>>>> left is
>>>>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:36:39 -0400
From: msminchome(a)aol.com
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
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Checkout pool noodles without the hole. More flotation in the same space. Google pool noodles without hole for suppliers.
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 Dave Scobie <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene
or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible!
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
> > Bonnie,
> >
> > There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The
> > problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm
> > putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very
> > expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock
> > systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell
> you
> > a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with
> > pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
> >
> > Burt
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Bonnie.
> >>
> >> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will
> >> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small
> >> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
> >>
> >> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
> >>
> >> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than
> >> the foam!
> >>
> >> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a
> >> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
> >>
> >>
> >> :: Dave Scobie
> >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >> :: M6'8" #650
> >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or
> >> amout
> >>> of foam to buy?
> >>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:27:43 -0700
From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about
Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
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If any of you live in the Sacramento area and need foam, I have a large
piece 3X4X5? in my shop that is left over from tooling the Sage 15. This is
polyester foam, about 1.5 lb density, ad would do a 15 easily. Sal (owner
of Sage Marine) doesn't want it, and there were initially 4, three of which
I found suckers for. I'm trying to clear out my shop so I can get to the
back end and am about to throw this away. Free to a good home.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bonnie Kostka
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 9:18 AM
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout
of foam to buy?
Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:31:01 -0700
From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
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Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in
the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these
part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I
would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either
solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski
Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
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Bruce:
That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were
good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit
> odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:29:02 -0700
From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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it's a forestay; headstays are on masthead rigs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Eeg
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:49 AM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
Doug
I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....?
You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru
the mast
capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the
Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
>>
>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size
>> than
>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
>> longer around).
>>
>>
>> :: Dave Scobie
>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>> :: M6'8" #650
>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal
>>>> casting
>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
>> fitting.
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug:
>>>>>
>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17?
>>>>>
>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Year of boat?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
>>>> or
>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
>>>> enjoy
>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need
>>>> to
>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
>>>> attaches to
>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
>>>> left is
>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:31:52 -0700
From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below
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Another thing to try is baking soda.
-----Original Message-----
From: Burton Lowry
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:03 AM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below
To remove the odor from petrol--
I have been told... and experienced...that there is a degree of porosity to
fiberglass layup with polyester resin. So this may be more than just on the
surface. Removing the tainted flotation is a start. Kitty litter can do a
good job of sucking up oil, but for small amounts we have found talcum
powder ? as in baby powder, to be amazingly effective. It works wonders in
getting oil spots off clothing, though it may take a few applications. I'm
wondering if several heavy dustings with talcum powder may help bring that
odor out. It's a cheap fix if it works.
I imagine the previous owner was storing the gas tank for the outboard in
the cabin to keep it from being stolen. And, that the vent wasn't shut....
far better to have a dedicated locker in the cockpit that is ventilated, and
separate from the cabin air. This can be some work to install on a boat
that doesn't have it, but it is possible. As I only have a Montgomery 12, I
don't know the arrangement on the 15.
Burt
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bruce:
>
> Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!!
>
> If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means
> replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to
> sail
> in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that
> will sink so floatation isn't something I think about.
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the
>> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion.
>> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first
>> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the
>> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however.
>> I
>> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> Sent by mental telepathy!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
>> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
>> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
>> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit
>> odorous
>> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
>> either solution on this topic.
>>>
>>> Bruce Chmieleski
>>> Vacaville, CA
>>>
>>> Sent by mental telepathy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
>>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
>>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> Bruce:
>>>
>>> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you
>>> can
>>> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
>>>
>>> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's
>> were
>>> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:45:53 -0700
From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill from
Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The
canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few days
later.
Take a storm jib!
-----Original Message-----
From: doug
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is attached
to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then captured
from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the
shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix.
About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many boats do
as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped fishing
boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem with
Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so one
has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo Lake
which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to Odell.
People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp
(water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer.
Doug
M-15
Bend, Oregon
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote:
>
> That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast
> and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the
> local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave
> Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the
> bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a
> motor free lake, did you have a paddle?
> Steve
> M-15 # 335
>
> -----Original Message----- From: doug
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
>
> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or
> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
> enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I
> need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All
> there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
> =
>
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 18:01:26 -0600
From: Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Thanks for the coaching there. I will try to remember that.
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 6:35 PM <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
> it's a forestay; headstays are on masthead rigs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Eeg
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:49 AM
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
>
> Doug
> I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....?
> You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru
> the mast
> capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the
> Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole.
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
> >>
> >> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size
> >> than
> >> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
> >> longer around).
> >>
> >>
> >> :: Dave Scobie
> >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >> :: M6'8" #650
> >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> :: Dave Scobie
> >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >>> :: M6'8" #650
> >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> >>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal
> >>>> casting
> >>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
> >> fitting.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Doug:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Boat? 15 or 17?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Year of boat?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> :: Dave Scobie
> >>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >>>>> :: M6'8" #650
> >>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was
> down
> >>>> or
> >>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order
> to
> >>>> enjoy
> >>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I
> need
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> >>>> attaches to
> >>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
> >>>> left is
> >>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:53:13 -0700
From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
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Poured foam soaks up water like crazy. The first boat I designed and built
was a one-off catamaran and I filled the ends with foam. over the first
summer it gained about 50 lbs. I got it out with a drill motor and a spade
bit, and it took a while. When I got the weight out it felt like a had a
new suit of sails....
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Scobie
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 12:12 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene
or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible!
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
> > Bonnie,
> >
> > There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The
> > problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it.
> > I'm
> > putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very
> > expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock
> > systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell
> you
> > a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with
> > pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
> >
> > Burt
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Bonnie.
> >>
> >> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will
> >> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small
> >> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
> >>
> >> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
> >>
> >> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more
> >> than
> >> the foam!
> >>
> >> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a
> >> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
> >>
> >>
> >> :: Dave Scobie
> >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >> :: M6'8" #650
> >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or
> >> amout
> >>> of foam to buy?
> >>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
>
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Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 18:07:24 -0600
From: Doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
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Wow.? That's a powerful story.? Very sorry to hear that news.? I understand completely since I was caught in one of Odell Lakes sudden wind uprisings in a kayak.? Impossible to paddle against let alone try to sail.? Zero to 40kts this last Saturday in less than 30 minutes!!
?Sent from BlueMail ?
On Sep 5, 2018, 6:52 PM, at 6:52 PM, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
>When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill
>from
>Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The
>
>canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few
>days
>later.
>Take a storm jib!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: doug
>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM
>To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
>Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
>
>Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is
>attached
>to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then
>captured
>from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the
>shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix.
>About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many
>boats do
>as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped
>fishing
>boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem
>with
>Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so
>one
>has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo
>Lake
>which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to
>Odell.
>People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp
>
>(water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer.
>
>Doug
>M-15
>Bend, Oregon
>
>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote:
>>
>> That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the
>mast
>> and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at
>the
>> local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from
>Dave
>> Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace
>the
>> bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake
>is a
>> motor free lake, did you have a paddle?
>> Steve
>> M-15 # 335
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: doug
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM
>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
>> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
>>
>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
>or
>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
>
>> enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now
>I
>> need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the
>forestay
>> attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All
>
>> there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used
>to be.
>> =
>>
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I have had similar luck (though no test such as sinking) with replacing foam in the front compartment of our Montgomery 15 with 2 liter bottles. I did this because the previous owner had installed a car battery in the compartment without firm mounting. As a result, every wave, and every trailer bump served to make the battery further pulverize the foam in the compartment into ball bearing size pieces. It was a mess. Once I got (almost) every little piece of pulverized foam out, I filled the compartment with Costco lemonade bottles. They are fairly tough and haven't seemed to deteriorate at all.
David GrahBishop California
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Re-Styrofoam Floatation
A fix I learned on the Daysailer (O'Day) website when the original foam got saturated, Remove it all and replace with 2 liter soda bottles.
Each 2 liter bottle provides 4.4 pounds of floatation.
I filled the inner hull with bottles and felt very comfortable that my 575 pound boat would stay on top of the water if capsized.
Your mileage may vary!
Kevin
M-17 # 400
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Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer’s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
Bruce
Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
> Message-ID:
>
> Bruce:
>
> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
>
> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were
> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
4
3
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy?
Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
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Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski
Vacaville, CA
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Bruce:
That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were
good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
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Re-Styrofoam Floatation
A fix I learned on the Daysailer (O'Day) website when the original foam got saturated, Remove it all and replace with 2 liter soda bottles.
Each 2 liter bottle provides 4.4 pounds of floatation.
I filled the inner hull with bottles and felt very comfortable that my 575 pound boat would stay on top of the water if capsized.
Your mileage may vary!
Kevin
M-17 # 400
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:06:40 -0700
From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
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Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
Bruce
Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
> Message-ID:
>
> Bruce:
>
> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
>
> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were
> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:17:32 -0700
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Bruce:
Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!!
If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means
replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail
in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that
will sink so floatation isn't something I think about.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the
> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion.
> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first
> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the
> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I
> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
> >
> > Bruce Chmieleski
> > Vacaville, CA
> >
> > Sent by mental telepathy!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
> > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > Bruce:
> >
> > That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
> > remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
> >
> > Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's
> were
> > good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:39:08 -0700
From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com>
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Brad,
I bought 1985 M-15 # 335 when it was new, and also have the chunks of
stryrofoam in the forward hatch, which I understand are there for floataion,
but have never swamped the boat for the acid test, and have not developed
any odor. I think if you need to replace those you have, do replace them
for flotation, and be careful about any water getting into the cabin because
it will leak into the compartment.
Steve
M-15 # 335
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From: Bruce Chmieleski
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Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in
the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these
part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I
would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either
solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski
Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:50:20 -0700
From: Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:21:31 -0700
From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
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The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported
in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more
mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!?
Mark Dvorscak
M23 & M15
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
> Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked
> the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
> bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
> displays #365 also.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
> >
> > Bruce Chmieleski
> > Vacaville, CA
> >
> > Sent by mental telepathy!
> >
>
>
>
On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the
imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:53:47 -0700
From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>
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I've heard that when boats aren't sailed enough the embossed numbers slowly
change to the previous number. The scientific name for this phenomenon is
changavitus and has been recorded occasionally throughout history. Anyway,
that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dvorscak
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:21 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported
in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more
mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!?
Mark Dvorscak
M23 & M15
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
> Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked
> the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
> bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
> displays #365 also.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit
> odorous
> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
> >
> > Bruce Chmieleski
> > Vacaville, CA
> >
> > Sent by mental telepathy!
> >
>
>
>
On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the
imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the
bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main
displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
> Sent by mental telepathy!
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:14:03 -0700
From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net>
To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17
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I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small
enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you
say daughter, another "my girls"...?
Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if
the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me
:-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a
bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and
your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in
the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the
well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches,
or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-).
For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted.
For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small.
I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head
hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of
the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they
need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our
feet...
A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that
meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the
M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids:
West Wight Potter 19 - http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156
More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed
by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the
cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of
an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you
(and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig &
launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for
your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo.
Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a
fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow
shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing
club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched &
retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper.
Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable
price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age
as well as condition.
Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin).
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53
Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering
weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on
fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also
(cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at
pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate
for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe
even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised
deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less
so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising
with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers
can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I
bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping
when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your
lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than
M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but
it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any
spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on
Balboa deck version).
These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981
so all are fairly old.
Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my experience.
cheers,
John S.
On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I
> have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am no
> stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and
> whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips.
>
> Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I would
> have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a smaller
> trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in
> that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more involved
> to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the whole
> season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to
> single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive to
> own/store/maintain.
>
> I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to do
> the following:
> - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited to
> just one body of water
> - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone
> - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with my
> wife and daughter
> - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a
> plus
>
> I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's
> trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to
> set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other
> than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that sometimes
> perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up
> space in the cabin for my girls.
>
> Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you feel
> like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and I
> be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit
> on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would
> recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here?
>
> Thanks so much in advance!
>
> -Darrin
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:03:00 -0400
From: Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below
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To remove the odor from petrol--
I have been told... and experienced...that there is a degree of porosity to fiberglass layup with polyester resin. So this may be more than just on the surface. Removing the tainted flotation is a start. Kitty litter can do a good job of sucking up oil, but for small amounts we have found talcum powder ? as in baby powder, to be amazingly effective. It works wonders in getting oil spots off clothing, though it may take a few applications. I'm wondering if several heavy dustings with talcum powder may help bring that odor out. It's a cheap fix if it works.
I imagine the previous owner was storing the gas tank for the outboard in the cabin to keep it from being stolen. And, that the vent wasn't shut.... far better to have a dedicated locker in the cockpit that is ventilated, and separate from the cabin air. This can be some work to install on a boat that doesn't have it, but it is possible. As I only have a Montgomery 12, I don't know the arrangement on the 15.
Burt
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bruce:
>
> Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!!
>
> If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means
> replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail
> in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that
> will sink so floatation isn't something I think about.
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the
>> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion.
>> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first
>> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the
>> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I
>> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> Sent by mental telepathy!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
>> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
>> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are
>> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous
>> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for
>> either solution on this topic.
>>>
>>> Bruce Chmieleski
>>> Vacaville, CA
>>>
>>> Sent by mental telepathy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700
>>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
>>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> Bruce:
>>>
>>> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can
>>> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
>>>
>>> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's
>> were
>>> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:48:52 -0700
From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:03:55 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or
> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy
> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to
> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is
> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:30:35 -0700
From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Doug:
>
> Boat? 15 or 17?
>
> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>
> Year of boat?
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or
>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy
>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to
>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is
>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:34:03 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
>
> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doug:
> >
> > Boat? 15 or 17?
> >
> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> >
> > Year of boat?
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or
> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
> enjoy
> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> attaches to
> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left
> is
> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:36:35 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than
one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
longer around).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
>>
>> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Doug:
>> >
>> > Boat? 15 or 17?
>> >
>> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>> >
>> > Year of boat?
>> >
>> >
>> > :: Dave Scobie
>> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>> > :: M6'8" #650
>> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
>> or
>> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
>> enjoy
>> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need
>> to
>> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
>> attaches to
>> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
>> left is
>> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>>
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:42:48 -0600
From: Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
>
> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than
> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
> longer around).
>
>
> :: Dave Scobie
> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> :: M6'8" #650
> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
> >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
> fitting.
> >>
> >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Doug:
> >> >
> >> > Boat? 15 or 17?
> >> >
> >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> >> >
> >> > Year of boat?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > :: Dave Scobie
> >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> >> > :: M6'8" #650
> >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
> >> or
> >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
> >> enjoy
> >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need
> >> to
> >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> >> attaches to
> >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
> >> left is
> >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
> >>
> >>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:49:34 +0000
From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Doug
I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....?
You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru the mast
capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the
Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
>>
>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than
>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
>> longer around).
>>
>>
>> :: Dave Scobie
>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>> :: M6'8" #650
>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
>>>
>>>
>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting
>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
>> fitting.
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug:
>>>>>
>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17?
>>>>>
>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Year of boat?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> :: Dave Scobie
>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
>>>>> :: M6'8" #650
>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down
>>>> or
>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to
>>>> enjoy
>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need
>>>> to
>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
>>>> attaches to
>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
>>>> left is
>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:51:15 -0700
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
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Doug:
For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't
remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I
think).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
> >
> > A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size
> than
> > one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no
> > longer around).
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > :: M6'8" #650
> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
> > >
> > >
> > > :: Dave Scobie
> > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > > :: M6'8" #650
> > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the
> > >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal
> casting
> > >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib
> > fitting.
> > >>
> > >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Doug:
> > >> >
> > >> > Boat? 15 or 17?
> > >> >
> > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
> > >> >
> > >> > Year of boat?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > :: Dave Scobie
> > >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
> > >> > :: M6'8" #650
> > >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was
> down
> > >> or
> > >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order
> to
> > >> enjoy
> > >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I
> need
> > >> to
> > >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay
> > >> attaches to
> > >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is
> > >> left is
> > >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC)
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Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy?
Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
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Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski
Vacaville, CA
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Bruce:
That is the standard floatation foam.? If they have become soiled you can
remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
Are they obviously dirty?? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were
good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
> replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed
> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are
> these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous
> so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for
> either solution on this topic.
>
> Bruce Chmieleski
> Vacaville, CA
>
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That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast
and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the
local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave
Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the bolt
and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a motor
free lake, did you have a paddle?
Steve
M-15 # 335
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From: doug
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it
could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy
some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to
know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to
the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is
the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. =
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:26:43 -0700
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Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will
sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small
pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than
the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a
polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
:: M6'8" #650
:: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
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> of foam to buy?
> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
>
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Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski
Vacaville, CA
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I really don’t have instructions for rigging a 17, and it’s been 25 years since I have made one. Every time I move I throw stuff away! I’d suggest that you get on the Montgomery list; see the CC above, and most of those people are smarter than me. Be specific in your questions and they will answer.
I remember the name ‘Bill Tosh’ but too many years have passed. Do get a spinnaker since you have the gear; the 17 really comes alive off the wind.
From: Steve Hampton
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:50 PM
To: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org
Subject: New Montgomery Sailor
Hi Jerry!it
I've spent the past year or so "rescuing" a 74 Montgomery 17 (hull #046). I'm not much of a sailor - just a Hobie 16, a Chrysler Mutineer, and time in a Sunfish - and I need some help rigging out my M17! Do you have access to some detailed rigging instructions with drawings or pictures that you can direct me to? I'm talking to Bill Tosh, a sailmaker I've met in East Texas (pretty sure you know the old codger!!!) and he recommended I send you an email (says you're VERY nice and helpful!) for rigging advice! My 17 is equipped for a spinnaker (I don't have one, but the hardware is all there to confuse me!), but I'm sure I'll get one before this adventure is over!
I've pulled the centerboard, sandblasted, faired and painted with "Aluthane" and reinstalled, installed a new kickup rudder and hatch boards from JO Woodworking in Texas (John Owens there is a super nice fellow, too!), refinished all the other woodwork, replacing some, and just finished a hard bottom paint and an all-over buff and polish. Also rebuilt the trailer while I was resting!
All-in-all, I'm done except for the rigging. I've got the mast up (hopefully correctly!), but I have a huge bag of all kinds of lines, sheets, and halyards, and not sure what goes where. If you have something like Delivery Instructions for new owners (I've seen that for the M15), that and my new sails I'm working with Bill on, would probably get me going the right direction.
Thanks in advance for any help and advice you can give.
Steve Hampton
904 Lawton Circle
Magnolia, AR 71753
Cell 870-904-5120
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