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floatation foam alternative
by brad kurlancheek 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

In my M15 I was concerned, perhaps overly so, that in a capsise (last letter of alphabet key not working on my laptop lately), the enclosed area under the cockpit seats, would fill with water. So I purchased 10 cheap lightweight gym bags and filled each of them with about 10 empty plastic gatorade bottles, and fastened each bag closed and shoved them all under the cockpit seats, from the small access windows on each side of the companionway. It has the added benefit of filling up that area, such that anything that gets dropped in there by mistake, won't go too far so as to be virtually unretrievable, and it acts as sort of a stop wall for when i put small storage containers in there on each side. - Brad

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 4
by Bonnie Kostka 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

re: foam Thanks for all the answers about foam. I never thought of dock foam - where I am docked they're putting in all new foam. I will check with them. BonnieMoonbeam 15 On Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:01 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: floatation foam (Burton Lowry) 2. Re: floatation foam (John Schinnerer) 3. 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Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Doug) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:08:24 -0400 From: Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <CA+wZhu9wO83EffhCsOFus4boywh5R+1z_Zini4EYiUXsMrTzeg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bonnie, There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam. Burt On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Bonnie. > > You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will > sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small > pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. > > Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. > > Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than > the foam! > > Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a > polystyrene block this method may be cheaper > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or > amout > > of foam to buy? > > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:26:24 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <4a3bf51f-5280-b0ad-f92b-506f6357b19a(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed You can also get various kinds of foam in 4x8 sheets and sometimes 2x4 and 4x4 also, from your local building supply (sold as insulating foam, you don't need the highest insulation value per inch so the cheapest that is closed cell will do). Typical thicknesses are from 1" to 4" - cut pieces to fit; glue together (waterproof construction adhesive from building supply) into blocks if desired. cheers, John S. On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote: > Bonnie, > > There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The > problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm > putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very > expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock > systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you > a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with > pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam. > > Burt > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Bonnie. >> >> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will >> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small >> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. >> >> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. >> >> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than >> the foam! >> >> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a >> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or >> amout >>> of foam to buy? >>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka >>> >>> >>> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:42:32 -0600 From: Darrin Goodman <darrin.goodman(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17 Message-ID: <CAECAWPdxiz2=Kq=_-0Y=5bOfm9VwQy+5P1vkxiR-eFfKj8jS8A(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi John, this is good information, thank you! There's just three of us. My daughter + wife = "the girls". I climbed into a Potter 19 recently and it felt a bit too confined to me with the way the keel splits the cabin in half. I looked up the Ensenada 20 and that looks like it could work for us - thanks for the suggestion! -Darrin On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:14 AM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small > enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you > say daughter, another "my girls"...? > > Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if > the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me > :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a > bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and > your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in > the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the > well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches, > or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-). > For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted. > For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small. > > I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head > hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of > the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they > need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our > feet... > > A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that > meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the > M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids: > > West Wight Potter 19 - > http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156 > More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed > by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the > cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of > an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you > (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig & > launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for > your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo. > Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a > fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow > shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your > lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing > club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched & > retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper. > Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable > price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age > as well as condition. > > Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin). > http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53 > Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering > weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on > fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also > (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at > pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate > for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe > even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised > deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less > so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising > with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers > can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I > bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping > when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your > lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than > M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but > it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any > spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on > Balboa deck version). > These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981 > so all are fairly old. > > Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my > experience. > > cheers, > John S. > > > On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I > > have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am > no > > stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and > > whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips. > > > > Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I > would > > have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a > smaller > > trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in > > that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more > involved > > to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the > whole > > season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to > > single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive > to > > own/store/maintain. > > > > I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to > do > > the following: > > - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited > to > > just one body of water > > - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone > > - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with > my > > wife and daughter > > - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a > > plus > > > > I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's > > trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to > > set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other > > than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that > sometimes > > perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up > > space in the cabin for my girls. > > > > Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you > feel > > like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and > I > > be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit > > on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would > > recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here? > > > > Thanks so much in advance! > > > > -Darrin > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:12:38 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7aKEfJ45jN_09A4gVwhNPG=wxOiqYVGVJ2pi_FE6hRUg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote: > > Bonnie, > > > > There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The > > problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm > > putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very > > expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock > > systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell > you > > a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with > > pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam. > > > > Burt > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Bonnie. > >> > >> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will > >> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small > >> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. > >> > >> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. > >> > >> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than > >> the foam! > >> > >> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a > >> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or > >> amout > >>> of foam to buy? > >>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:25:02 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17 Message-ID: <CAGjBOA545LPmqs5JJgtuvgXDPVWAsTZzmwJXx3idvxVn-ymPLQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Darrin: The Ensenada 20 is a Hess design. I believe Jerry Montgomery built the 1st hull mold for the E20 (or it may have been the Balboa 20 I get them flipped sometimes as the hulls are the same). How Jerry paid the the M17 tooling! Jerry's expectation was Lyle design the M17 so it out sails E, or is it the B?, 20. When the first M17 built Jerry sailed it against Lyle in the 20. Jerry beat Lyle! A M17/15 or Sage17/15/SC or E/B20 will perform better than a P19. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 11:42 AM Darrin Goodman <darrin.goodman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi John, this is good information, thank you! > > There's just three of us. My daughter + wife = "the girls". > > I climbed into a Potter 19 recently and it felt a bit too confined to me > with the way the keel splits the cabin in half. I looked up the Ensenada > 20 and that looks like it could work for us - thanks for the suggestion! > > -Darrin > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:14 AM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small > > enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you > > say daughter, another "my girls"...? > > > > Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if > > the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me > > :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a > > bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and > > your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in > > the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the > > well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches, > > or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-). > > For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted. > > For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small. > > > > I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head > > hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of > > the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they > > need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our > > feet... > > > > A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that > > meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the > > M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids: > > > > West Wight Potter 19 - > > http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156 > > More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed > > by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the > > cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of > > an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you > > (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig & > > launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for > > your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo. > > Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a > > fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow > > shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your > > lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing > > club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched & > > retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper. > > Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable > > price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age > > as well as condition. > > > > Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin). > > http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53 > > Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering > > weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on > > fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also > > (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at > > pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate > > for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe > > even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised > > deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less > > so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising > > with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers > > can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I > > bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping > > when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your > > lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than > > M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but > > it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any > > spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on > > Balboa deck version). > > These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981 > > so all are fairly old. > > > > Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my > > experience. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > > > On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and > I > > > have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I > am > > no > > > stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and > > > whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips. > > > > > > Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I > > would > > > have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a > > smaller > > > trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom > in > > > that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more > > involved > > > to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the > > whole > > > season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult > to > > > single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive > > to > > > own/store/maintain. > > > > > > I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to > > do > > > the following: > > > - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited > > to > > > just one body of water > > > - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone > > > - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips > with > > my > > > wife and daughter > > > - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would > be a > > > plus > > > > > > I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's > > > trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to > > > set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff > other > > > than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that > > sometimes > > > perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up > > > space in the cabin for my girls. > > > > > > Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you > > feel > > > like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife > and > > I > > > be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter > fit > > > on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would > > > recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here? > > > > > > Thanks so much in advance! > > > > > > -Darrin > > > > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:32:32 +0000 From: Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick(a)hotmail.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 Message-ID: <DM3PR16MB0569F4085C2C2B7366762527AA020(a)DM3PR16MB0569.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Re-Styrofoam Floatation A fix I learned on the Daysailer (O'Day) website when the original foam got saturated, Remove it all and replace with 2 liter soda bottles. Each 2 liter bottle provides 4.4 pounds of floatation. I filled the inner hull with bottles and felt very comfortable that my 575 pound boat would stay on top of the water if capsized. Your mileage may vary! Kevin M-17 # 400 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces+ksandwick=hotmail.com(a)mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:00:07 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Styro below (Bruce Chmieleski) 2. Re: Styro below (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: Styrofoam below (Steve Trapp) 4. Re: Styrofoam below (Janice Smith) 5. Re: Styrofoam below (Mark Dvorscak) 6. Re: Styrofoam below (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) 7. Re: Looking for Opinions - M17 (John Schinnerer) 8. Re: Styro below (Burton Lowry) 9. broken forestay mast fitting (doug) 10. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 11. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (doug) 12. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 13. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 14. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Doug 9326) 15. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Bob Eeg) 16. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 17. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 (Bonnie Kostka) 18. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Steve Trapp) 19. Re: floatation foam (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:06:40 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <DBA5515E-FE70-4027-8371-8E0B4F878A3E(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. Bruce Sent by mental telepathy! > > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below > Message-ID: > > Bruce: > > That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can > remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. > > Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were > good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:17:32 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6w5gKsSTMqX2tf7YdvRm2z-AzPw0zpR0oOskkpn6dppQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!! If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that will sink so floatation isn't something I think about. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the > Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. > Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first > inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the > time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I > can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. > > Bruce > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > > > Bruce Chmieleski > > Vacaville, CA > > > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 > > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below > > Message-ID: > > > > Bruce: > > > > That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can > > remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. > > > > Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's > were > > good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv- > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:39:08 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <18DD5FFA4FCE4FD6A56C051EB27C2CD1@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Brad, I bought 1985 M-15 # 335 when it was new, and also have the chunks of stryrofoam in the forward hatch, which I understand are there for floataion, but have never swamped the boat for the acid test, and have not developed any odor. I think if you need to replace those you have, do replace them for flotation, and be careful about any water getting into the cabin because it will leak into the compartment. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Chmieleski Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:31 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:50:20 -0700 From: Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <2B8729FC-F3B6-4AFF-B834-43EA600A9361(a)gorge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:21:31 -0700 From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <CAA3iV0+1etMDnR3ye44Qw+bRzdHpad9CjR-pxUrrB_StdTCmTQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!? Mark Dvorscak M23 & M15 On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: > Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked > the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the > bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main > displays #365 also. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > > > Bruce Chmieleski > > Vacaville, CA > > > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:53:47 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <F17F33AC70E846309C191D24AE76D0A6@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original I've heard that when boats aren't sailed enough the embossed numbers slowly change to the previous number. The scientific name for this phenomenon is changavitus and has been recorded occasionally throughout history. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!? Mark Dvorscak M23 & M15 On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: > Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked > the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the > bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main > displays #365 also. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit > odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > > > Bruce Chmieleski > > Vacaville, CA > > > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:14:03 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17 Message-ID: <d4c774ad-3874-f5aa-982b-8d963c11eb7d(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you say daughter, another "my girls"...? Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches, or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-). For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted. For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small. I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our feet... A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids: West Wight Potter 19 - http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156 More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig & launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo. Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched & retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper. Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age as well as condition. Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin). http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53 Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on Balboa deck version). These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981 so all are fairly old. Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my experience. cheers, John S. On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I > have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am no > stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and > whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips. > > Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I would > have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a smaller > trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in > that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more involved > to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the whole > season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to > single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive to > own/store/maintain. > > I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to do > the following: > - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited to > just one body of water > - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone > - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with my > wife and daughter > - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a > plus > > I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's > trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to > set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other > than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that sometimes > perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up > space in the cabin for my girls. > > Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you feel > like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and I > be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit > on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would > recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here? > > Thanks so much in advance! > > -Darrin > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:03:00 -0400 From: Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <916BBF54-F6BF-4C6C-BBD4-C1658F494F1E(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To remove the odor from petrol-- I have been told... and experienced...that there is a degree of porosity to fiberglass layup with polyester resin. So this may be more than just on the surface. Removing the tainted flotation is a start. Kitty litter can do a good job of sucking up oil, but for small amounts we have found talcum powder ? as in baby powder, to be amazingly effective. It works wonders in getting oil spots off clothing, though it may take a few applications. I'm wondering if several heavy dustings with talcum powder may help bring that odor out. It's a cheap fix if it works. I imagine the previous owner was storing the gas tank for the outboard in the cabin to keep it from being stolen. And, that the vent wasn't shut.... far better to have a dedicated locker in the cockpit that is ventilated, and separate from the cabin air. This can be some work to install on a boat that doesn't have it, but it is possible. As I only have a Montgomery 12, I don't know the arrangement on the 15. Burt Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Bruce: > > Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!! > > If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means > replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail > in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that > will sink so floatation isn't something I think about. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the >> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. >> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first >> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the >> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I >> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. >> >> Bruce >> >> Sent by mental telepathy! >> >>> >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, >> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed >> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are >> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous >> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for >> either solution on this topic. >>> >>> Bruce Chmieleski >>> Vacaville, CA >>> >>> Sent by mental telepathy! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Bruce: >>> >>> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can >>> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. >>> >>> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's >> were >>> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv- >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:48:52 -0700 From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <E41FB1FD-C9BD-4E6C-845C-25495A4E54FB(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:03:55 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4JkopwhKE8TzCZM6xbx+MGYe11V_UVdnwWKcDGntxNkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Doug: Boat? 15 or 17? So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? Year of boat? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or > it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy > some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to > know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to > the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is > the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:30:35 -0700 From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <0DD38246-DE6A-4563-B3CF-D7A68C1F97C4(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting. > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Doug: > > Boat? 15 or 17? > > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > > Year of boat? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:34:03 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA70Br0KstoOPSxdAvyXD5eNJb9jEduCLDX=FBp4LjOYAQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting > which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting. > > > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Doug: > > > > Boat? 15 or 17? > > > > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > > > > Year of boat? > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or > >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > enjoy > >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to > >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > attaches to > >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left > is > >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:36:35 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7WUnx1t2JyvvWsCHPx8byRUgXUOLc+U15Ho-3nA-_ngA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no longer around). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting. >> >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Doug: >> > >> > Boat? 15 or 17? >> > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? >> > >> > Year of boat? >> > >> > >> > :: Dave Scobie >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> > :: M6'8" #650 >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >> or >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to >> enjoy >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need >> to >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay >> attaches to >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is >> left is >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:42:48 -0600 From: Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAKuJGDw57eScigUvFvg-Sz8M+jU8o=O6u36uyi72HxJk+uaZHA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). > > A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than > one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no > longer around). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting > >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib > fitting. > >> > >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> > Doug: > >> > > >> > Boat? 15 or 17? > >> > > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > >> > > >> > Year of boat? > >> > > >> > > >> > :: Dave Scobie > >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> > :: M6'8" #650 > >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> > > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down > >> or > >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > >> enjoy > >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need > >> to > >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > >> attaches to > >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is > >> left is > >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > >> > >> > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:49:34 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <MWHPR1701MB19365C4A5768D386B227EDC6B7020(a)MWHPR1701MB1936.namprd17.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Doug I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....? You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru the mast capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). >> >> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than >> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no >> longer around). >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the >>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting >>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib >> fitting. >>>> >>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Doug: >>>>> >>>>> Boat? 15 or 17? >>>>> >>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? >>>>> >>>>> Year of boat? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >>>> or >>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to >>>> enjoy >>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need >>>> to >>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay >>>> attaches to >>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is >>>> left is >>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:51:15 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5eDJA4+6PuqWY6p64UMX0b32jkkCrY820fCoq6NdTfEw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Doug: For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I think). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). > > > > A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size > than > > one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no > > longer around). > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > :: M6'8" #650 > > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > > >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal > casting > > >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib > > fitting. > > >> > > >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Doug: > > >> > > > >> > Boat? 15 or 17? > > >> > > > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > > >> > > > >> > Year of boat? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > :: Dave Scobie > > >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > >> > :: M6'8" #650 > > >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was > down > > >> or > > >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order > to > > >> enjoy > > >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I > need > > >> to > > >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > > >> attaches to > > >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is > > >> left is > > >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 Message-ID: <1100169369.1828033.1536164302270(a)mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:01 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to ??? montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Styrofoam below (Bruce Chmieleski) ? 2. Re: Styrofoam below (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:31:01 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <E3A56DD7-881C-4601-BED7-B3B050811FF3(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats ??? <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: ??? <CAGjBOA6FqfANYwes4xT0m1H=oAQEcrGRzoXmGvmc8uaWraUSCg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: That is the standard floatation foam.? If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. Are they obviously dirty?? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous > so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:31:28 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <1259ADA90D3F4DE1B6CE12A9B3CDCA3C@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a motor free lake, did you have a paddle? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. = ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:26:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7b2xARCWgUM36yS0HfBq-8zY42Bwc2Xiwq-dMsBxtqEA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout > of foam to buy? > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:40:04 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17 Message-ID: <3a7aa195-11e3-e70d-fea0-e8806bd836ef(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed The M-17 might do OK for two adults and a kid for 2-3 day outings...you'd want to visit one live if possible. the Ensenada will be quite roomy by comparison, and, there's all the other differences. There's a Coastal Recreation (builder of Ensenada 20, Balboa 20 and various other boats in that era) yahoo group with some helpful folks on it. I'll send you some of the E20 links I collected, off-list. Agree about Potter interior with DB trunk in the way, just mentioned it 'cause I've actually sailed one...their replacement for the P19, the Voyager 20, has shifted to, surprise surprise, a shallow keel with drop centerboard. cheers, John S. On 09/05/2018 11:42 AM, Darrin Goodman wrote: > Hi John, this is good information, thank you! > > There's just three of us. My daughter + wife = "the girls". > > I climbed into a Potter 19 recently and it felt a bit too confined to me > with the way the keel splits the cabin in half. I looked up the Ensenada > 20 and that looks like it could work for us - thanks for the suggestion! > > -Darrin > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:14 AM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > >> I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small >> enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you >> say daughter, another "my girls"...? >> >> Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if >> the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me >> :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a >> bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and >> your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in >> the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the >> well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches, >> or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-). >> For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted. >> For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small. >> >> I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head >> hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of >> the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they >> need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our >> feet... >> >> A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that >> meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the >> M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids: >> >> West Wight Potter 19 - >> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156 >> More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed >> by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the >> cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of >> an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you >> (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig & >> launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for >> your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo. >> Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a >> fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow >> shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your >> lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing >> club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched & >> retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper. >> Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable >> price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age >> as well as condition. >> >> Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin). >> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53 >> Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering >> weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on >> fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also >> (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at >> pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate >> for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe >> even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised >> deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less >> so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising >> with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers >> can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I >> bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping >> when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your >> lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than >> M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but >> it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any >> spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on >> Balboa deck version). >> These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981 >> so all are fairly old. >> >> Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my >> experience. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> >> On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I >>> have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am >> no >>> stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and >>> whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips. >>> >>> Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I >> would >>> have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a >> smaller >>> trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in >>> that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more >> involved >>> to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the >> whole >>> season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to >>> single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive >> to >>> own/store/maintain. >>> >>> I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to >> do >>> the following: >>> - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited >> to >>> just one body of water >>> - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone >>> - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with >> my >>> wife and daughter >>> - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a >>> plus >>> >>> I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's >>> trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to >>> set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other >>> than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that >> sometimes >>> perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up >>> space in the cabin for my girls. >>> >>> Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you >> feel >>> like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and >> I >>> be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit >>> on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would >>> recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here? >>> >>> Thanks so much in advance! >>> >>> -Darrin >>> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:02:07 -0700 From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <67C0CDE3-BD12-433C-95EA-A6FCF5E44277(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is attached to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then captured from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix. About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many boats do as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped fishing boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem with Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so one has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo Lake which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to Odell. People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp (water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer. Doug M-15 Bend, Oregon > On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: > > That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a motor free lake, did you have a paddle? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- From: doug > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > > My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. = > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:03:44 -0700 From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <EC9F2EB7-CD82-4895-8DE5-1F8622AB025C(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Dave. I may get around to posting some photos of my fine little yacht/M-15. She is looking nice with some good rigging, transom mounted ladder, teak rudder, new Honda 2hp, and very clean inside and out. > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Doug: > > For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't > remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I > think). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). >>> >>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size >> than >>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no >>> longer around). >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? >>>> >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the >>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal >> casting >>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib >>> fitting. >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Doug: >>>>>> >>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17? >>>>>> >>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? >>>>>> >>>>>> Year of boat? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was >> down >>>>> or >>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order >> to >>>>> enjoy >>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I >> need >>>>> to >>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay >>>>> attaches to >>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is >>>>> left is >>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:26:12 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5TTyeQAs_ZruocqOFbHA4x78OmrYB-oj21mw-i1YBkkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Doug. Yeah ... 15 uses a 1/4" bolt. Get 316 or 18-8 stainless, a nyloc nut and washers. M15 is a simple rig so easy to repair. Check condition of the thimble eye and at the lower end the mechanical swage. Anything seem fishy, or broken wire strands (meathooks) replace the forestay. M17 is _completely_ different and more difficult to replace as the hardware is out of production. (The two boats only similar in rigging wires as both use 1/8".) :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 1:04 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Dave. I may get around to posting some photos of my fine little > yacht/M-15. She is looking nice with some good rigging, transom mounted > ladder, teak rudder, new Honda 2hp, and very clean inside and out. > > > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Doug: > > > > For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't > > remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I > > think). > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). > >>> > >>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size > >> than > >>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no > >>> longer around). > >>> > >>> > >>> :: Dave Scobie > >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > >>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal > >> casting > >>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib > >>> fitting. > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Doug: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Year of boat? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>>>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was > >> down > >>>>> or > >>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order > >> to > >>>>> enjoy > >>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I > >> need > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > >>>>> attaches to > >>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is > >>>>> left is > >>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:37:50 -0700 From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <209F2180-D8C2-450E-A993-169C13028F21(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks again. Rigging looks new with no meathooks. Definitely will use stainless. I took the bolt out that runs through the mast for the shrouds recently. Little did I know that it also holds the forestay. When I saw the forestay had come loose I found that oblong hole in the mast and sure wondered how a fitting could just come loose and out without any tampering or use. Now I know. As usual, its user error, mine. > On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Doug. > > Yeah ... 15 uses a 1/4" bolt. Get 316 or 18-8 stainless, a nyloc nut and > washers. M15 is a simple rig so easy to repair. Check condition of the > thimble eye and at the lower end the mechanical swage. Anything seem > fishy, or broken wire strands (meathooks) replace the forestay. > > M17 is _completely_ different and more difficult to replace as the hardware > is out of production. (The two boats only similar in rigging wires as both > use 1/8".) > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 1:04 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Dave. I may get around to posting some photos of my fine little >> yacht/M-15. She is looking nice with some good rigging, transom mounted >> ladder, teak rudder, new Honda 2hp, and very clean inside and out. >> >>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Doug: >>> >>> For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't >>> remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I >>> think). >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). >>>>> >>>>> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size >>>> than >>>>> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no >>>>> longer around). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the >>>>>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal >>>> casting >>>>>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib >>>>> fitting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doug: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Boat? 15 or 17? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Year of boat? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>>>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was >>>> down >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order >>>> to >>>>>>> enjoy >>>>>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I >>>> need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay >>>>>>> attaches to >>>>>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is >>>>>>> left is >>>>>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:36:39 -0400 From: msminchome(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <165ac185092-1ebc-18(a)webjas-vaa209.srv.aolmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Checkout pool noodles without the hole. More flotation in the same space. Google pool noodles without hole for suppliers. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 Dave Scobie <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote: > > Bonnie, > > > > There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The > > problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm > > putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very > > expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock > > systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell > you > > a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with > > pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam. > > > > Burt > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Bonnie. > >> > >> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will > >> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small > >> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. > >> > >> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. > >> > >> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than > >> the foam! > >> > >> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a > >> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or > >> amout > >>> of foam to buy? > >>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:27:43 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 Message-ID: <A5EBDFE5BDCA40CE9395338EE2369097@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original If any of you live in the Sacramento area and need foam, I have a large piece 3X4X5? in my shop that is left over from tooling the Sage 15. This is polyester foam, about 1.5 lb density, ad would do a 15 easily. Sal (owner of Sage Marine) doesn't want it, and there were initially 4, three of which I found suckers for. I'm trying to clear out my shop so I can get to the back end and am about to throw this away. Free to a good home. -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Kostka Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 9:18 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:01 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Styrofoam below (Bruce Chmieleski) 2. Re: Styrofoam below (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:31:01 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <E3A56DD7-881C-4601-BED7-B3B050811FF3(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6FqfANYwes4xT0m1H=oAQEcrGRzoXmGvmc8uaWraUSCg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit > odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:29:02 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <04FF74171D5E4EC0B29655EBDDB50894@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original it's a forestay; headstays are on masthead rigs. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:49 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Doug I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....? You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru the mast capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). >> >> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size >> than >> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no >> longer around). >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the >>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal >>>> casting >>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib >> fitting. >>>> >>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Doug: >>>>> >>>>> Boat? 15 or 17? >>>>> >>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? >>>>> >>>>> Year of boat? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >>>> or >>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to >>>> enjoy >>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need >>>> to >>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay >>>> attaches to >>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is >>>> left is >>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:31:52 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <B02B3A923AA34343BFC8DBECADFAEB85@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Another thing to try is baking soda. -----Original Message----- From: Burton Lowry Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:03 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below To remove the odor from petrol-- I have been told... and experienced...that there is a degree of porosity to fiberglass layup with polyester resin. So this may be more than just on the surface. Removing the tainted flotation is a start. Kitty litter can do a good job of sucking up oil, but for small amounts we have found talcum powder ? as in baby powder, to be amazingly effective. It works wonders in getting oil spots off clothing, though it may take a few applications. I'm wondering if several heavy dustings with talcum powder may help bring that odor out. It's a cheap fix if it works. I imagine the previous owner was storing the gas tank for the outboard in the cabin to keep it from being stolen. And, that the vent wasn't shut.... far better to have a dedicated locker in the cockpit that is ventilated, and separate from the cabin air. This can be some work to install on a boat that doesn't have it, but it is possible. As I only have a Montgomery 12, I don't know the arrangement on the 15. Burt Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Bruce: > > Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!! > > If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means > replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to > sail > in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that > will sink so floatation isn't something I think about. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the >> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. >> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first >> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the >> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. >> I >> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. >> >> Bruce >> >> Sent by mental telepathy! >> >>> >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, >> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed >> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are >> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit >> odorous >> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for >> either solution on this topic. >>> >>> Bruce Chmieleski >>> Vacaville, CA >>> >>> Sent by mental telepathy! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Bruce: >>> >>> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you >>> can >>> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. >>> >>> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's >> were >>> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv- >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:45:53 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <EECF13433A4944DC9ED26D2045EBE39B@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill from Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few days later. Take a storm jib! -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is attached to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then captured from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix. About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many boats do as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped fishing boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem with Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so one has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo Lake which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to Odell. People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp (water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer. Doug M-15 Bend, Oregon > On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: > > That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast > and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the > local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave > Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the > bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a > motor free lake, did you have a paddle? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- From: doug > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > > My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or > it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I > need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All > there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > = > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 18:01:26 -0600 From: Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAKuJGDyNGsrY7kEsSA58s0nX+D+Sf9dsm7h_0da5qzt1VmYv5g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks for the coaching there. I will try to remember that. On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 6:35 PM <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: > it's a forestay; headstays are on masthead rigs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Eeg > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:49 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > > Doug > I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....? > You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru > the mast > capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the > Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole. > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks > > > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). > >> > >> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size > >> than > >> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no > >> longer around). > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> > >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > >>> > >>> > >>> :: Dave Scobie > >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >>> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > >>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal > >>>> casting > >>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib > >> fitting. > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Doug: > >>>>> > >>>>> Boat? 15 or 17? > >>>>> > >>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > >>>>> > >>>>> Year of boat? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was > down > >>>> or > >>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order > to > >>>> enjoy > >>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I > need > >>>> to > >>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > >>>> attaches to > >>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is > >>>> left is > >>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > >>>> > >>>> > >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:53:13 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <6A044ACF69904BC8889EF8B431A0BE15@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Poured foam soaks up water like crazy. The first boat I designed and built was a one-off catamaran and I filled the ends with foam. over the first summer it gained about 50 lbs. I got it out with a drill motor and a spade bit, and it took a while. When I got the weight out it felt like a had a new suit of sails.... -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 12:12 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote: > > Bonnie, > > > > There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The > > problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. > > I'm > > putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very > > expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock > > systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell > you > > a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with > > pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam. > > > > Burt > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Bonnie. > >> > >> You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will > >> sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small > >> pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. > >> > >> Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. > >> > >> Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more > >> than > >> the foam! > >> > >> Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a > >> polystyrene block this method may be cheaper > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or > >> amout > >>> of foam to buy? > >>> Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 18:07:24 -0600 From: Doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <7e75f099-0586-452a-8080-2e5fa0b84ebd(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Wow.? That's a powerful story.? Very sorry to hear that news.? I understand completely since I was caught in one of Odell Lakes sudden wind uprisings in a kayak.? Impossible to paddle against let alone try to sail.? Zero to 40kts this last Saturday in less than 30 minutes!! ?Sent from BlueMail ? On Sep 5, 2018, 6:52 PM, at 6:52 PM, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: >When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill >from >Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The > >canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few >days >later. >Take a storm jib! > >-----Original Message----- >From: doug >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > >Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is >attached >to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then >captured >from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the >shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix. >About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many >boats do >as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped >fishing >boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem >with >Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so >one >has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo >Lake >which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to >Odell. >People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp > >(water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer. > >Doug >M-15 >Bend, Oregon > >> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: >> >> That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the >mast >> and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at >the >> local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from >Dave >> Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace >the >> bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake >is a >> motor free lake, did you have a paddle? >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> -----Original Message----- From: doug >> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >or >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > >> enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now >I >> need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the >forestay >> attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All > >> there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used >to be. >> = >> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 4 ************************************************

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Flotation Foam
by David Grah 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

I have had similar luck (though no test such as sinking) with replacing foam in the front compartment of our Montgomery 15 with 2 liter bottles. I did this because the previous owner had installed a car battery in the compartment without firm mounting. As a result, every wave, and every trailer bump served to make the battery further pulverize the foam in the compartment into ball bearing size pieces. It was a mess. Once I got (almost) every little piece of pulverized foam out, I filled the compartment with Costco lemonade bottles. They are fairly tough and haven't seemed to deteriorate at all. David GrahBishop California Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:32:32 +0000 From: Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick(a)hotmail.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 Message-ID: <DM3PR16MB0569F4085C2C2B7366762527AA020(a)DM3PR16MB0569.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Re-Styrofoam Floatation A fix I learned on the Daysailer (O'Day) website when the original foam got saturated, Remove it all and replace with 2 liter soda bottles. Each 2 liter bottle provides 4.4 pounds of floatation. I filled the inner hull with bottles and felt very comfortable that my 575 pound boat would stay on top of the water if capsized. Your mileage may vary! Kevin M-17 # 400

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Re: M_Boats: Styro below
by Bruce Chmieleski 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer’s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. Bruce Sent by mental telepathy! > > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below > Message-ID: > > Bruce: > > That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can > remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. > > Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were > good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2
by Bonnie Kostka 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:01 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Styrofoam below (Bruce Chmieleski) 2. Re: Styrofoam below (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:31:01 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <E3A56DD7-881C-4601-BED7-B3B050811FF3(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6FqfANYwes4xT0m1H=oAQEcrGRzoXmGvmc8uaWraUSCg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3
by Kevin Sandwick 05 Sep '18

05 Sep '18

Re-Styrofoam Floatation A fix I learned on the Daysailer (O'Day) website when the original foam got saturated, Remove it all and replace with 2 liter soda bottles. Each 2 liter bottle provides 4.4 pounds of floatation. I filled the inner hull with bottles and felt very comfortable that my 575 pound boat would stay on top of the water if capsized. Your mileage may vary! Kevin M-17 # 400 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces+ksandwick=hotmail.com(a)mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:00:07 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Styro below (Bruce Chmieleski) 2. Re: Styro below (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: Styrofoam below (Steve Trapp) 4. Re: Styrofoam below (Janice Smith) 5. Re: Styrofoam below (Mark Dvorscak) 6. Re: Styrofoam below (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) 7. Re: Looking for Opinions - M17 (John Schinnerer) 8. Re: Styro below (Burton Lowry) 9. broken forestay mast fitting (doug) 10. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 11. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (doug) 12. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 13. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 14. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Doug 9326) 15. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Bob Eeg) 16. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 17. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 (Bonnie Kostka) 18. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Steve Trapp) 19. Re: floatation foam (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:06:40 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <DBA5515E-FE70-4027-8371-8E0B4F878A3E(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. Bruce Sent by mental telepathy! > > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below > Message-ID: > > Bruce: > > That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can > remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. > > Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were > good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:17:32 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6w5gKsSTMqX2tf7YdvRm2z-AzPw0zpR0oOskkpn6dppQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!! If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that will sink so floatation isn't something I think about. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the > Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. > Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first > inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the > time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I > can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. > > Bruce > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > > > Bruce Chmieleski > > Vacaville, CA > > > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 > > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below > > Message-ID: > > > > Bruce: > > > > That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can > > remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. > > > > Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's > were > > good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv- > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:39:08 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <18DD5FFA4FCE4FD6A56C051EB27C2CD1@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Brad, I bought 1985 M-15 # 335 when it was new, and also have the chunks of stryrofoam in the forward hatch, which I understand are there for floataion, but have never swamped the boat for the acid test, and have not developed any odor. I think if you need to replace those you have, do replace them for flotation, and be careful about any water getting into the cabin because it will leak into the compartment. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Chmieleski Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:31 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:50:20 -0700 From: Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <2B8729FC-F3B6-4AFF-B834-43EA600A9361(a)gorge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:21:31 -0700 From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <CAA3iV0+1etMDnR3ye44Qw+bRzdHpad9CjR-pxUrrB_StdTCmTQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!? Mark Dvorscak M23 & M15 On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: > Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked > the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the > bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main > displays #365 also. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > > > Bruce Chmieleski > > Vacaville, CA > > > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:53:47 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <F17F33AC70E846309C191D24AE76D0A6@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original I've heard that when boats aren't sailed enough the embossed numbers slowly change to the previous number. The scientific name for this phenomenon is changavitus and has been recorded occasionally throughout history. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!? Mark Dvorscak M23 & M15 On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: > Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked > the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the > bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main > displays #365 also. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit > odorous > so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > > > Bruce Chmieleski > > Vacaville, CA > > > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > > > > On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj(a)gorge.net> wrote: Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:14:03 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17 Message-ID: <d4c774ad-3874-f5aa-982b-8d963c11eb7d(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you say daughter, another "my girls"...? Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches, or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-). For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted. For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small. I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our feet... A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids: West Wight Potter 19 - http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156 More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig & launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo. Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched & retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper. Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age as well as condition. Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin). http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53 Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on Balboa deck version). These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981 so all are fairly old. Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my experience. cheers, John S. On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I > have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am no > stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and > whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips. > > Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I would > have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a smaller > trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in > that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more involved > to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the whole > season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to > single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive to > own/store/maintain. > > I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to do > the following: > - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited to > just one body of water > - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone > - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with my > wife and daughter > - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a > plus > > I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's > trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to > set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other > than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that sometimes > perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up > space in the cabin for my girls. > > Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you feel > like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and I > be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit > on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would > recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here? > > Thanks so much in advance! > > -Darrin > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:03:00 -0400 From: Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <916BBF54-F6BF-4C6C-BBD4-C1658F494F1E(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To remove the odor from petrol-- I have been told... and experienced...that there is a degree of porosity to fiberglass layup with polyester resin. So this may be more than just on the surface. Removing the tainted flotation is a start. Kitty litter can do a good job of sucking up oil, but for small amounts we have found talcum powder ? as in baby powder, to be amazingly effective. It works wonders in getting oil spots off clothing, though it may take a few applications. I'm wondering if several heavy dustings with talcum powder may help bring that odor out. It's a cheap fix if it works. I imagine the previous owner was storing the gas tank for the outboard in the cabin to keep it from being stolen. And, that the vent wasn't shut.... far better to have a dedicated locker in the cockpit that is ventilated, and separate from the cabin air. This can be some work to install on a boat that doesn't have it, but it is possible. As I only have a Montgomery 12, I don't know the arrangement on the 15. Burt Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Bruce: > > Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!! > > If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means > replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail > in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that > will sink so floatation isn't something I think about. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >> Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the >> Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. >> Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first >> inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the >> time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I >> can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. >> >> Bruce >> >> Sent by mental telepathy! >> >>> >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, >> replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed >> in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are >> these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous >> so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for >> either solution on this topic. >>> >>> Bruce Chmieleski >>> Vacaville, CA >>> >>> Sent by mental telepathy! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Bruce: >>> >>> That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can >>> remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. >>> >>> Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's >> were >>> good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv- >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:48:52 -0700 From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <E41FB1FD-C9BD-4E6C-845C-25495A4E54FB(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:03:55 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4JkopwhKE8TzCZM6xbx+MGYe11V_UVdnwWKcDGntxNkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Doug: Boat? 15 or 17? So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? Year of boat? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or > it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy > some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to > know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to > the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is > the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:30:35 -0700 From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <0DD38246-DE6A-4563-B3CF-D7A68C1F97C4(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting. > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Doug: > > Boat? 15 or 17? > > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > > Year of boat? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:34:03 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA70Br0KstoOPSxdAvyXD5eNJb9jEduCLDX=FBp4LjOYAQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting > which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting. > > > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Doug: > > > > Boat? 15 or 17? > > > > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > > > > Year of boat? > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or > >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > enjoy > >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to > >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > attaches to > >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left > is > >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:36:35 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7WUnx1t2JyvvWsCHPx8byRUgXUOLc+U15Ho-3nA-_ngA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no longer around). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting. >> >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Doug: >> > >> > Boat? 15 or 17? >> > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? >> > >> > Year of boat? >> > >> > >> > :: Dave Scobie >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> > :: M6'8" #650 >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >> or >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to >> enjoy >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need >> to >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay >> attaches to >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is >> left is >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:42:48 -0600 From: Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAKuJGDw57eScigUvFvg-Sz8M+jU8o=O6u36uyi72HxJk+uaZHA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). > > A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than > one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no > longer around). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting > >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib > fitting. > >> > >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> > Doug: > >> > > >> > Boat? 15 or 17? > >> > > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > >> > > >> > Year of boat? > >> > > >> > > >> > :: Dave Scobie > >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> > :: M6'8" #650 > >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> > > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down > >> or > >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > >> enjoy > >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need > >> to > >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > >> attaches to > >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is > >> left is > >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > >> > >> > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:49:34 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <MWHPR1701MB19365C4A5768D386B227EDC6B7020(a)MWHPR1701MB1936.namprd17.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Doug I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....? You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru the mast capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). >> >> A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than >> one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no >> longer around). >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the >>>> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting >>>> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib >> fitting. >>>> >>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Doug: >>>>> >>>>> Boat? 15 or 17? >>>>> >>>>> So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? >>>>> >>>>> Year of boat? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >>>> or >>>>>> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to >>>> enjoy >>>>>> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need >>>> to >>>>>> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay >>>> attaches to >>>>>> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is >>>> left is >>>>>> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:51:15 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5eDJA4+6PuqWY6p64UMX0b32jkkCrY820fCoq6NdTfEw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Doug: For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I think). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). > > > > A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size > than > > one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no > > longer around). > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > :: M6'8" #650 > > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the > > >> forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal > casting > > >> which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib > > fitting. > > >> > > >> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Doug: > > >> > > > >> > Boat? 15 or 17? > > >> > > > >> > So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? > > >> > > > >> > Year of boat? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > :: Dave Scobie > > >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > >> > :: M6'8" #650 > > >> > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was > down > > >> or > > >> >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order > to > > >> enjoy > > >> >> some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I > need > > >> to > > >> >> know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > > >> attaches to > > >> >> the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is > > >> left is > > >> >> the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 Message-ID: <1100169369.1828033.1536164302270(a)mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:01 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to ??? montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Styrofoam below (Bruce Chmieleski) ? 2. Re: Styrofoam below (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:31:01 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <E3A56DD7-881C-4601-BED7-B3B050811FF3(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats ??? <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: ??? <CAGjBOA6FqfANYwes4xT0m1H=oAQEcrGRzoXmGvmc8uaWraUSCg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: That is the standard floatation foam.? If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. Are they obviously dirty?? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, > replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed > in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are > these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous > so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for > either solution on this topic. > > Bruce Chmieleski > Vacaville, CA > > Sent by mental telepathy! > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:31:28 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <1259ADA90D3F4DE1B6CE12A9B3CDCA3C@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a motor free lake, did you have a paddle? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. = ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:26:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7b2xARCWgUM36yS0HfBq-8zY42Bwc2Xiwq-dMsBxtqEA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout > of foam to buy? > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 ************************************************

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Styrofoam below
by Bruce Chmieleski 04 Sep '18

04 Sep '18

Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy!

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Re: M_Boats: New Montgomery Sailor
by jerry＠jerrymontgomery.org 01 Sep '18

01 Sep '18

I really don’t have instructions for rigging a 17, and it’s been 25 years since I have made one. Every time I move I throw stuff away! I’d suggest that you get on the Montgomery list; see the CC above, and most of those people are smarter than me. Be specific in your questions and they will answer. I remember the name ‘Bill Tosh’ but too many years have passed. Do get a spinnaker since you have the gear; the 17 really comes alive off the wind. From: Steve Hampton Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:50 PM To: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org Subject: New Montgomery Sailor Hi Jerry!it I've spent the past year or so "rescuing" a 74 Montgomery 17 (hull #046). I'm not much of a sailor - just a Hobie 16, a Chrysler Mutineer, and time in a Sunfish - and I need some help rigging out my M17! Do you have access to some detailed rigging instructions with drawings or pictures that you can direct me to? I'm talking to Bill Tosh, a sailmaker I've met in East Texas (pretty sure you know the old codger!!!) and he recommended I send you an email (says you're VERY nice and helpful!) for rigging advice! My 17 is equipped for a spinnaker (I don't have one, but the hardware is all there to confuse me!), but I'm sure I'll get one before this adventure is over! I've pulled the centerboard, sandblasted, faired and painted with "Aluthane" and reinstalled, installed a new kickup rudder and hatch boards from JO Woodworking in Texas (John Owens there is a super nice fellow, too!), refinished all the other woodwork, replacing some, and just finished a hard bottom paint and an all-over buff and polish. Also rebuilt the trailer while I was resting! All-in-all, I'm done except for the rigging. I've got the mast up (hopefully correctly!), but I have a huge bag of all kinds of lines, sheets, and halyards, and not sure what goes where. If you have something like Delivery Instructions for new owners (I've seen that for the M15), that and my new sails I'm working with Bill on, would probably get me going the right direction. Thanks in advance for any help and advice you can give. Steve Hampton 904 Lawton Circle Magnolia, AR 71753 Cell 870-904-5120

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