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$14,400. Lyle Hess Wrinkle NorSea 27 project
by Bob Eeg 31 Mar '18

31 Mar '18

For someone who loves ❤️ a NorSea 27 I have this project NorSea on a like new (under 200 miles) Galvanized, 3 axle trailer with brakes and new electric winch. Spare included. New these trailers are $11,000+ I think this trailer is worth $7000. I re gelcoated the entire hull, deck, nonskid above the waterline. Replaced all the teak caprails with new teak. She comes with a used mast. A Yanmar 2GM 20 in a basket, cleaned and ready to assemble. Had 59 hours on it. I think I have the gasket set. Easy to assemble. Have a bunch of stuff for this 1979 Bote. She needs work down below but not that difficult. She has the heavy 3000 pound ballast already. New bowsprit with anchor platform and new stainless bow pulpit. She was a factory complete boat. Bote with extras $7400 Newish trailer $7000 Total $14,400. Contact me via email on the backside. I don’t want to clutter this forum. Or call me 949-307-5699 Cell. Viva Lyle C Hess. Bob Eeg A photo out my shop side door. [image1.jpeg] Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: Success!
by William Coleman 28 Mar '18

28 Mar '18

Thanks, Bob and others, for these helpful replies. (I should also pass on a particular thanks to Dave Scobie, the man who knows everything, for patient assistance by email ever since he made the mistake of being kind to a curious thirtysomething at the 2016 Annapolis Show and, fatally, handing over a poster that made wrinkleboats sink deep into the wrinkles of my brain.) I'll proceed with caution using the tips you've mentioned, and have now heard off list that at least one owner of a boat that presented this particular challenge was able to remove overlying characters without damaging the cove stripe at all, but am glad to know of this useful product to replace the original colored tape, or even to change the whole look of the boat if so desired. Hope to get some Eastern Montgomery gatherings together before long; Brad and I will use our strategic location in the Keystone state to be the keystone of our greater union. And now to try out one of those nifty sailor signatures for the first time... -Will Coleman M15 #669 "Aino" > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:04:58 +0000 > From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Success! > Message-ID: > <CY4PR17MB197501AB815F6F491F59FD21B7AC0(a)CY4PR17MB1975.namprd > 17.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > BOB here.....:-) > > We use Boat Striping Tape (vinyl) from West Marine, both Seafit and West > Marine brand. The tape looks awesome and lasts more than 10 years. > > Plan B. Buy a roll for $48 bucks and using a heat gun, remove the old > tape, clean with > Acetone and apply the new tape. Some colors have a clear Film that you > remove > And peel back after the new tape is applied. If you?re a Klutz like me > hire a striping > pro guy ($80 about) to apply the tape and make it perfect. > > Removing numbers that are over a color strip you can carefully heat up > with a heat gun > And using your wife?s fingernail carefully peal the numbers off. > Use plastic or wood, never metal. > If that fails go to Plan B. > > Be well > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > FYI Mboaters - this boat has a STICKER as a cove stripe ... using a > > scraper, any type, or a heat gun to _remove_ anything stuck to the cove > > stripe will likely cause damage. BOB needs to provide suggestion as Bob > > knows the type of 'sticker' used as the cove stripe and its properties > and > > ways to minimize damage when removing the current registration and name > > lettering. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ < > http://www.m17-375.webs.com> > > :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ > > :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ > > :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred > > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie(a)rentrof.net> > > wrote: > > > >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, at 14:07, Burton Lowry wrote: > >>> > >>> I've gotten off a lot of old vinyl lettering by heating them gently > with > >>> a heat gun. Once they are warm--they don't need to be hot, be very > >>> careful and get a razor blade under an edge. > >> > >> I've had good success with a heat gun, too. > >> > >> I like to use the plastic scraper blades in my razor holder. Like this: > >> https://scraperite.com/plastic-blades-guide/use > >> > >> I'm less likely to screw up the underlying surface with a plastic blade. > >> > >> > >> > >> Charlie > >> > >> -- > >> Charlie Fortner > >> M-15 #411 > >> Earth, USA, GA, Atlanta > >> > >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:02:16 -0400 > From: <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Success! > Message-ID: <041701d3c606$860d2c30$92278490$(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, careful use of a heat gun should work. Just soften the letters and you > should be able to peel them off with your finger nails. In this case, I > would avoid using any tools. As they peel off, they probably will leave > most > or all of the adhesive behind. Remove this with 3M adhesive remover, which > will kill a few brain cells but will not harm the vinyl stripe. The stripe > probably will be quite faded relative to the areas that were covered by the > letters. Hopefully you can hide most of that with the new letters. > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> On > Behalf Of Burton Lowry > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:08 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Success! > > Congratulations! > > I've gotten off a lot of old vinyl lettering by heating them gently with a > heat gun. Once they are warm--they don't need to be hot, be very careful > and > get a razor blade under an edge. They should peel right off. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:00 AM, William Coleman <williamlcoleman(a)gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > I wrote to the list two weeks ago in a last ditch effort to find an > > M15 a reasonable distance from Philadelphia after all other methods > > failed. With thanks to all the friendly folks who replied on and off > > list with potential East Coast boats and helpful advice, I have now > > concluded the purchase from a list member of #669, a pristine 2012 > > model that will be re-christened "Aino" after a character in Finnish > > mythology. Hooray! After some dry land rigging practice, I'm looking > > forward to daysails on the Delaware River, meetups with the one other > > PA M15 person I've found so far, Brad K of #656, at Lake Nockamixon, > > building up to some multi-day cruises on the Upper Chesapeake and > > beyond. If there are any other wrinkleboaters around, do get in touch and > we can form a li'l fleet. > > > > While I'm writing, maybe someone on the list will have some pertinent > > experience for a looming question: the best way to remove vinyl > > characters (both reg numbers and previous boat name) that have been > > applied directly to the blue vinyl top stripe this recent Nor'Sea > > model came with from the factory to its previous owner? I'm hoping the > > characters directly on the gelcoat on the stern will be easier but am > > concerned about damaging the attractive stripe in the process of > > updating the boat's identity. Has anyone had success with this already > before I start experimenting? > > > > Thanks, > > Will > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 03:37:03 +0000 > From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint > Message-ID: > <CAA3iV0LaedvvViDu19QSqvo53Lw=fvdWD9dvMFgff9HGk5iJZg(a)mail.gm > ail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > If you use VC17 you can't use any other bottom paint over it. It all has to > be completely stripped before applying a different paint. VC17 is worthless > in salt water, lots of fresh water sailors like it though. > Mark Dvorscak (salt water sailor who had to strip and re-paint his M17) > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 23:03 Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Small boat skippers, > > Is applying bottom paint necessary after sealing the hull with > > Inta....2000? I am keeping the Monty 17 in a fresh water lake this year. > > > > Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 23:56:39 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAWHWjzigyq4fyNJTnCh8AL0iwDi2SL3aoV6Kk4ZZfC=uQ(a)mail.gm > ail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Good to know, Mark. Thanks. > Tom > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source > =link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source > =link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > If you use VC17 you can't use any other bottom paint over it. It all has > to > > be completely stripped before applying a different paint. VC17 is > worthless > > in salt water, lots of fresh water sailors like it though. > > Mark Dvorscak (salt water sailor who had to strip and re-paint his M17) > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 23:03 Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Small boat skippers, > > > Is applying bottom paint necessary after sealing the hull with > > > Inta....2000? I am keeping the Monty 17 in a fresh water lake this > year. > > > > > > Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 181, Issue 17 > ************************************************* >

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Bottom paint
by Thomas Buzzi 28 Mar '18

28 Mar '18

Small boat skippers, Is applying bottom paint necessary after sealing the hull with Inta....2000? I am keeping the Monty 17 in a fresh water lake this year. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"

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Success!
by William Coleman 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

I wrote to the list two weeks ago in a last ditch effort to find an M15 a reasonable distance from Philadelphia after all other methods failed. With thanks to all the friendly folks who replied on and off list with potential East Coast boats and helpful advice, I have now concluded the purchase from a list member of #669, a pristine 2012 model that will be re-christened "Aino" after a character in Finnish mythology. Hooray! After some dry land rigging practice, I'm looking forward to daysails on the Delaware River, meetups with the one other PA M15 person I've found so far, Brad K of #656, at Lake Nockamixon, building up to some multi-day cruises on the Upper Chesapeake and beyond. If there are any other wrinkleboaters around, do get in touch and we can form a li'l fleet. While I'm writing, maybe someone on the list will have some pertinent experience for a looming question: the best way to remove vinyl characters (both reg numbers and previous boat name) that have been applied directly to the blue vinyl top stripe this recent Nor'Sea model came with from the factory to its previous owner? I'm hoping the characters directly on the gelcoat on the stern will be easier but am concerned about damaging the attractive stripe in the process of updating the boat's identity. Has anyone had success with this already before I start experimenting? Thanks, Will

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Photo
by Bob Eeg 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

[image1.jpeg] Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint
by bownez＠juno.com 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

Hi Tom, I would recommend it. Consider bottom paint "sacrificial " so all the nasty stuff will not stick to your hull. I would lean toward one of the new eco-water based green products from Interlux or Pettit. Such products were not available when I did my hull in Micron CSC 15+ years ago. Bones ____________________________________________________________ One Cup of This (Before Bed) Burns Belly Fat Like Crazy! Flat Belly Revolution http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5aba481a9ebd9481a2fbbst02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: New M-17 owner
by bownez＠juno.com 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

I slipped my 1976 M17 on Lake Waconia in the late 90's. At that time they called the marina Nancy's Landing. I was there around 3 years until the milfoil arrived....it's no fun having to rake your slip... Bones ____________________________________________________________ These 4 Things Happen Right Before A Heart Attack {Watch} PhysioTru http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5ab659d7e893359d72e2fst04vuc

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Sheet to Tiller Steering
by Conbert Benneck 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

I found this excellent article on sheet-to-tiller-steering and thought it would be of interest . Go to Google and enter: sheet to tiller steering: It is an article by Al Gunther Ciao, Connie

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New M-17 owner
by Mike Barnett 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

My fiance and I recently acquired a 1976 M-17 - she's rough, and her sails are old (jibs are the original Reggie Armstrongs, the main is a non M-17 mutt that happens to fit), but she came to us, on a trailer, for a 3 figure price, so we'd have been nuts to say no! I'm pretty sure I'm going to order a double reef main from Precision, though I haven't decided yet on white vs colored sailcloth. We'll be doing quite a bit of cosmetic work on her to bring her up to a reasonable look for a lady of her age, but she seems solid, except for a glaring crack in the deck from the mast step to the forward hatch. It was a mystery to me until I realized the previous owner had either raised or lowered the mast with the stays at full tension. The bottom aft end of the mast isn't radiused (yet), so instead of simply pivoting aft, it jacked up about 1.5" and put enough pressure on the deck to flex and crack it. I'll be checking the compression post for damage when I take the mast step off to repair the deck. The M-17 was the first keelboat I ever sailed on, way back when on Lake Waconia, MN, and she always impressed me, though I've been as much a multihull sailor as a keelboater. I'm looking forward to going places with our little waterborne craft, now named Destiny (no trace of a previous name on her), and I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions as time goes on. Actually, I'll start now - has anyone used a double headstay for wing on wing jibs, and if so, how did you set it up? Mike Barnetthttp://claritysailingadventures@wordpress.com

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Re: M_Boats: Mainsail
by bownez＠juno.com 23 Mar '18

23 Mar '18

I would NEVER dare to imply such! Thanks Jerry..... B. ____________________________________________________________ 1 Simple Trick Removes Lip Lines & Eye Bags in Seconds healthzoneworldwide.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5ab44989403c54989268cst03vuc

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