March 2017 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Intentional Capsize for M15
by Blair Ashworth 10 May '17

10 May '17

Hi M sailors, I've been watching a few videos about the SCAMP, which is a small wooden boat designed by John Welsford. Seems to be a very stable boat and they did an interesting Intentional Capsize with the boat to judge stability, safety, and self-rescue. I'm sure many of you may have seen the short videos - if not, here are a couple links for reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du9lvJNVqnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRZNWAkdkXM My question as an M15 owner is if this type of test or intentional capsize and recovery has been done on an M15 or M17 or similar boats? I would suspect it would be much harder to intentionally capsize an M17, but an M15 seems like this test could be done. I come from a dinghy sailing background where capsizes are part of the experience and sure adds to your confidence when you know what will happen in a capsize and that you can recover as needed. So that is what got me thinking along these lines. I know I've read that capsizes and knockdowns are very rare for M15s but thought this may be a good summer time type of test/experiment. If not done intentionally, any stories of capsizes and recovery out there? I read the one on msog.org, but hadn't heard of any others. That link for reference is: http://msog.org/how-to/how-to_flotjet.cfm#knockdown Thanks for any insights. Blair M15 #126

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Gaff Rig M-15
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 06 Apr '17

06 Apr '17

It's a great boat! Hey Doug, let us know what your plans are? salngail

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M15 Gaff Cutter for sale
by Douglas Kelch 03 Apr '17

03 Apr '17

I will be putting my M15 Gaff Cutter up for sale via normal advertising but I am listing it here for a few days first in case anyone is interested. It is the fastest 15 ft Gaff Cutter west of the Mississippi 😀 Took first place in the pocket cruiser cup at Lake Havasu. Gaff Cutter rated as one of the best small boat cruising rigs by Paul Gartside, John Welsford and Howard Rice. Pictures at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2Q43dBdlRDrblJSQVNqYklzcnM Equiptment list - 3 anchors, 7 lb bruce knock off with 10 ft of chain and 300 ft of line, , 15lb CQR with 10 ft of chain and 300 ft of line, small danforth knock off with 7 ft of chain and 150 ft of line - 4 bumpers, - sail cover for storing/trailering - mainsail, boom and gaff. -2 life jackets - swim ladder - hatch mounted compass - Catalina 22 tiller, orginal available as spare electrical wiring in place but no battery - icom mast head radio - bow running lights - stern light local AAA batteries - lead line for depth readings Sampson post bowsprit fife rail in lieu of mast cleats remote steering Original Trailrite trailer (fits in 20 ft garage) with spare tire 2 hp 1998 Honda long shaft 4 cycle original motor mount with raised extension for newer long shaft engines boat has always been garaged when not in use Never on a long term mooring Price is $7583 Location is Anthem, AZ

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Montgomery Bottom Work in the Pacific Northwest
by Gerald Wyatt 31 Mar '17

31 Mar '17

Hello, I would appreciate it if anyone could share information on where they have had work done to repair or maintain their Montgomery 17 or 23 keel and centerboard (cast iron version) in the Pacific Northwest. I would also be curious to learn of experiences related to barrier coat applications and bottom paint. Any info on the quality or work, knowledge, and professionalism would be appreciated. Thank you! Gerry Wyatt M17 #201

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Re: M_Boats: M23 ballast
by Dave Scobie 30 Mar '17

30 Mar '17

Gerry: Lots of different stories on the M23s. Jerry said the last few were lead though I can't remember reading a report from anyone that has a M23 that theirs came 'from the factory' with lead. My base assumption, unless a past owner did a repair as Sean did, all of Jerry's M23s are steel ballast. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Thanks. Did Jerry use steel or lead on the M23s? The old brochure on the > MSOG Photo Site indicates lead, but I have heard stories of steel ballast > in them. I think Dauntless had her ballast changed out. > > Just curious if you knew with all your time working with the boats. > > Gerry

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Check out Boat Clinic: Tuning the Masthead Rig - Web Only Article
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 Mar '17

28 Mar '17

_Click here: Boat Clinic: Tuning the Masthead Rig - Web Only Article_ (http://www.practical-sailor.com/news/masthead-rig-7055-1.html?ET=practicals… :e34433:177604a:&st=email&s=p_Waypoints032817) Very good point about the 'prebend' in mast when static. We have about 1.5" bend in the mast w/no sailing load (tall rig M-17) - Measure this and tell your sailmaker when you order that new mainsail! Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO

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Re: M_Boats: Gaff Rig M-15
by bownez＠juno.com 27 Mar '17

27 Mar '17

Hello Doug, We sailors can only hope to sail all the areas and have the fun you have had with your M15G! It was a pleasure to meet and sail with you in the North Channel years back. (and Havasu). Good luck my friend. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Warning: Don't Use Probiotics Before You See This Gundry MD http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58d907808eb477805f85st01vuc

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M15 Gaff Cutter for sale - sad
by David Grah 26 Mar '17

26 Mar '17

So sorry to hear this, Doug. My best to you! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:42:07 -0700 From: Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch(a)gmail.com> To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 Gaff Cutter for sale Message-ID: <CAFLA6DanMwXTtpjbAifWG8jPoi1avuh_HvJVrNAY7N_zDMby_g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I will be putting my M15 Gaff Cutter up for sale via normal advertising but I am listing it here for a few days first in case anyone is interested.

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Re: M_Boats: invasive species inspections
by Dave Scobie 20 Mar '17

20 Mar '17

the detail of an inspection varies place to place and staff member to staff member. I've spent a lot of time stopped in the western states for inspections (CA, ID, OR, MT and WY). these states 'stop you at the boarder' - usually the closest weigh station or rest area to the boarder. other states inspect you at the launch ramp (going in and out) - what i have here in Colorado. Not much inspection happens east of the rocky mountain states (they are all infected). most worry about the outboard, anchor and anything on the hull & trailer. never had an inspector look at the keel trunk. impossible to see inside one on an M15, M17, M23, S15, S15 or SageCat on a Pacific trailer because of the keel bunk boards. you can look up the trunk if a M15 or M17 is on an old Trail-rite. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:35 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > Thanks Keith! > Oregon is strict with invasive species...or with permits anyhow, gotta > have a state permit for all watercraft, both in state and visiting from > other states. Assuming there's a patrol person who actually checks...that > varies from lake to lake. And apparently they do actually inspect some > incoming boats. > > cheers, > John S. > > > > On 03/20/2017 11:22 AM, Keith R. Martin wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> ... >> >> On trailering a boat up into Canada, the big issue at the border is >> invasive species inspection... They are looking for things like zebra >> mussels etc.. When I brought my M17 into Canada after purchasing it in >> Arizona, CBSA agents checked the inside of the centre board housing and >> the >> cockpit drains to make sure they were clean, and that being clear I was on >> my way, probably took about a 1/2 hour or so.. That said these guys are >> fussy so the cleaner the better... >> >> Keith >> >> *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* >> >> >> *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity, M17 #353* > >

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Re: M_Boats: introductions
by Sam 20 Mar '17

20 Mar '17

Hi John, Thanks, I'm pretty excited about it! I just wish it would stop raining and warm up a little so that I can get it in the water. I think Flathead lake would be awesome to visit as well, and after some road-trips last summer I also really want to get up to some of the lakes in southern BC if it is possible to take a boat across the border into Canada (and more importantly, back) without too much hassle. I posted a close up photo of "micro-cruiser sized bow roller". Which is what the seller told me it was. I haven't tried it so I don't know that it works. Unfortunately I could not find any markings on it, so I'm not sure about make/model. There is also an anchor mount (this one I think https://windline.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=117) hooked to the rail on the bow, and a cleat in-line behind the bow roller, so it seems plausible that all of it works together to make the anchor more easily manageable. Best, Sam > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 14:35:39 -0700 > Subject: Re: M_Boats: introductions > Welcome Sam! And congratulations. > That's a very sweet looking M15. > I'm down in the south end of the PNW/Cascadia bioregion, in Ashland, OR, > with my M-17 "Pajarita" (1974, #38). > I figure at some point all the Montys with Spanish names should get > together... :-) > > I do plan to get to the San Juans, and some of those inland NW lakes, in > next few years, but no firm plans yet, will let y'all know what shapes up > and try to connect up where possible. It sounds like there's Monty folks > scattered around from Puget Sound through eastern WA and into northern ID > (I've got a cousin in the vicinity of Cour D'Alene). And I want to sail on > Flathead lake, I spent three seasons (winters, teaching snowsports) at Big > Mountain (now Whitefish Mountain) in Whitefish, MT decades ago. > > cheers, > John S. > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:17:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: M_Boats: introductions - question re bow roller > Looking at the pix of your boat, I notice what looks like a micro-cruiser > sized bow roller angling off one side of the bow. > What's the make & model of that, if you know? And is it for anchor, or > something else? > > thanks, > John S. > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >

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