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Hull Repair
by George Iemmolo 23 May '16

23 May '16

Was finally able to visit the Merry Helen II and check for damage that caused the leak. Was able to see some damage at a lap streak joint just forward of the Port bunk board. Could not see further along the same joint as it is resting on the bunk board. I contacted a local Fiberglass repair shop and have a scheduled meeting at 9 tomorrow morning to asses the damage the best we can. I am sure that their is additional damage as the amount of water taken on was considerable in a short period of time. Need to drop the mast so boat can be towed to repair shop and removed from trailer. My S-I-L and grandson will be helping in the morning PTL for family ☺ George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Re: M_Boats: Sailing song...
by Mark Dvorscak 21 May '16

21 May '16

Nice, Jazzy. I did enjoy it! Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hey guys, one of the things I do for fun is create music. I thought I'd >try to capture a day on the water with a surprise squall.. LOL > >Enjoy Bella Nave! > >-= Jazz > >https://www.dropbox.com/s/osqmptp9e1hddr8/Bella%20Nave.mp3?dl=0

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Re: M_Boats: bent plastic rudders
by Dave Scobie 20 May '16

20 May '16

Rick: lay the rudder flat, on its side, in a warm location (or in the sun) so the concave side of the board is done (ie, the tip that is out of line is down). please weights on the convex side to encourage the board to become flat. for these plastic rudders don't store them on their tip leaning against a wall. this will case them to bend. when on the boat pull the rudder up so it is JUST out of the water and not 'pointing towards the sky'. yes, the rudder will be sticking after of the boat. when stored 'towards the sky' the weight of the rudder will cause it to bend. best way to store these rudders is on their side. such as on the v-berth, the garage/basement floor or a shelf in the garage or basement. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dave, > > I've had persistent warping problems with my Ruddercraft kickup > plastic rudder. It took a warped set during its first season, about an > inch or more out of line at at the tip. I can correct it temporarily by > clamping it in a reverse curve for several days, but it always comes back. > How should I be storing it? During the season I leave it on the boat. Is > there something else I should be doing? > > Thanks, > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Thursday, May 19, 2016, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > until the mid-ish-80s the M17s centerboards were cast iron. when Jerry > > lost the casting mold when the casting company went bankrupt. as a > result > > Jerry modified the M17s to use the M15's centerboard. > > > > the M15's centerboard is a fiberglass shell filled the about 45# of lead > > shot (ie, BBs). > > > > don't use stainless under the waterline. use silicon bronze for the > > rotation and stop pins. > > > > the best M17 rudders are a solid piece of wood, mahogany, that slide > > up/down on a rod (silicone bronze or aluminum bronze .... NOT stainless > > steel. when in the up position the rudder is just above the depth of the > > shoal keel. these are what Jerry delivered on most of his boats (some of > > the early M17 rudders were simi-balanced and could not be moved up/down; > > also solid mahogany). > > > > the plastic (HPDE i believe) kickup rudder that is available for the M17 > > isn't to Jerry's & Lyle's foil speck. the plastic rudders also warp, > > significantly, if not stored correctly. > > > > as Jerry recommended the best move would be to cut a new centerboard out > of > > steel plate, clean up the edges to make a bit of a foil. the cast iron > > boards weigh about 180#; though i've read some were lighter as noted: > > 165-170# > > > > John Owens, JOWoodworks, can make you an original specification mahogany > > rudder & glulam tiller. > > > > Contact Dwyer Aluminum Mast company for a new standing rig & boom. > > > > Harry Pattison (E/P Custom Sails) or JudyB with Hyde Sails Direct can > > assist with sails. Both lofts know the M17 well. > > > > I can assist you in getting the mast/boom hardware (ie, cleat(s), blocks, > > strapeyes, etc.) > > > > I can also assist in the running rigging (sheets, halyards, and other > sail > > control lines). > > > > I can also make you the shrouds (I have Jerry's swaging tool ... used to > > make most of his M17s and M15s shrouds). > > > > before investing i recommend you carefully inspect the shoal keel to > > confirm the steel ballast isn't rusting. if it is rusting a significant > > repair is required. also inspect the deck/cockpit for balsa core rot ... > > if the rot is significant the repair is also a lot of work. both issues > > are also costy. > > > > if you need measurements for anything, or pictures of parts, or pictures > of > > how the boat is set up i can, again, assist ... i have an '83 M17 here at > > the shop. should be identical you yours as she has a cast iron keel and > > the 'new' deck/cockpit setup (ie, three cockpit lockers, two cockpit > locker > > drains and a slightly different house than the original deck mold). i > > also have direct contact with Jerry to assist in the project. > > > > > > -- > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemairne.com > > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > >

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M17
by michael beebe 20 May '16

20 May '16

M17 centerboard, thanks everyone for all the help on the CB. After reading I find I was on the right tract. I made a cardboard pattern using a tick stick, transferred to 1/4" ply, used a marker to find pivot pin point, drilled ply, inverted 1/2" pivot to check swing, went to fabricater and he cut it out of 1/2" plate, drilled both holes, being epoxied as I write, using cutting board plastics for shims. I can feel the movement on the water. Thanks again, Mike.

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seeking advice on M17 topping lift
by John Schinnerer 19 May '16

19 May '16

Hi all, I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach. The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom: 1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top Or, a different approach: 3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom. Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap? Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Hello
by michael beebe 19 May '16

19 May '16

Hello all. I'm a owner of a 1984 M17, recent purchase. It's missing a few things, standing n running rigging. No spreaders, centerboard gone, rudder cut off short. Are any measures available for these items? Thanks. Also I noticed the cast iron centerboard was done away with in 87' I think. Can I make myself one of ply n epoxy glass, my question, the weight factor, metal #165 +/- , is that weight needed ? Ballast? Added inside? I'm stuck, any thoughts, thanks ever so much, Mike

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Funny story..
by Jazzy 19 May '16

19 May '16

So I was in Bellingham on my way to Hawaii and went for a run. I see a sweet salty boat that looks vaguely familiar. Run over to say hi to the owner and compliment his lovely boat and it turns out it's a M23! Figures... 2 minutes later a guy walks up and compliments the owner on his sweet boat...turns out to be the guy I bought El Nino from...hahaha. It was a Monty magnet! Jazz

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Sad Saga of Merry Helen II
by George Iemmolo 19 May '16

19 May '16

After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery. Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair. Any suggestions? George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Splash
by George Iemmolo 18 May '16

18 May '16

Finally was able to splash Merry Helen II today in Pine Lake, IN after getting most all projects done . Major upgrade adding Roller Furler for Jib. Instrument Board 90% complete will hold Compass, SPOT, Wind Indicator & Barometer. Turnbuckle came loose and mast toppled over (Boat on trailer) no one hurt. Was able to straighten Tabernacle and reset mast. Boat in slip need to assemble Boom and Main tomorrow and secure Turnbuckles Summary of Boat Prep effort: 16 Touches; 340 mi.; 54 hrs. George MERRY HELEN II 96 M15 #602 "We Can Not Control the h Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Re: M_Boats: Funny story..
by Mark Dvorscak 18 May '16

18 May '16

Pretty cool when things like that happen! But now I'm curious! Which M23 was it? Do you recall the name of the boat or the owner or any other details? Maybe it's one of the 'missing' M23s, one of the few that the collective memory of this list hasn't accounted for. Mark M23 Faith Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >So I was in Bellingham on my way to Hawaii and went for a run. I see a >sweet salty boat that looks vaguely familiar. Run over to say hi to the >owner and compliment his lovely boat and it turns out it's a M23! >Figures... 2 minutes later a guy walks up and compliments the owner on >his sweet boat...turns out to be the guy I bought El Nino from...hahaha. >It was a Monty magnet! > >Jazz

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