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Port lights.
by Thomas Budington 23 May '14

23 May '14

I have a M-17 #624, with four bronze (?) functioning port holes. Dose anyone know how to clean them properly? Thank you, Tom Budington

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Re: M_Boats: Mast lowering
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 May '14

22 May '14

Rick, - I stand just behind the mast and rotate to one side as it comes to waist height and set it into the mast carrier in extended position. I am holding the mast at waist level when it is set into carrier - I am 5'-10"- chubby and weak. OR - I have stood in the companionway and lowered from there - but it is a reach to lean forward to initiate the mast pivoting aft and you do not have good leverage on the spar until it is down quite far - lowering on top of the house is fast and I feel like I have good+ control - (I do not remove shrouds - have toggles on all of them at lower terminus) I think it works for me because the mast carrier is very high when extended and it is not a large arc to move the mast thru until it is supported. I CAN see this changing when 'my mind makes a promise that my body can't fill'. I have used block&tackle - 4:1 is ALOT of line to pay out/slow (friction) 3:1 may work ?? Good luck Have Fun! GO In a message dated 5/21/2014 4:51:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104(a)gmail.com writes: Gary H, Gary O, Howard and Bill, Thanks to you all for your quick and thoughtful responses. I sure love this forum. All the best minds in the M-boat community ready and willing to help. I feel much better about attacking the problem. Gary H, what is the significance of the furler for attaching the tackle to the forestay rather than the jib halyard? I have a CDI furler, but thought it would be easier to take the strain on the jib halyard to ease unpinning the forestay. Bill and Howard, do you think the 4:1 is overkill? It seemed to me that there's a lot of tension as the mast comes down. Is the 1:1 attached at the stemhead really easy to handle? Without the added height of attaching to the trailer support? Gary O, I used to drop the mast manually, but stood on the cockpit seats, moving aft as the mast came down. I somehow can't picture lowering it from the cabin top. Do you stand in front of the mast? Thanks again, guys, Rick M17 # 633 Lynne L On Wednesday, May 21, 2014, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jdavies104(a)gmail.com');>> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to figure out a simple (meaning without a gin pole) way to lower > the mast on my M17 single-handed without having to walk it down the hard > way in the cockpit. I thought of attaching one end of the main sheet to > the front mast support on the trailer and the other end to the jib halyard. > I think someone on the forum described something like this quite a while > ago, but I can't find it. I plan on using a line tied around the mast as > high as I can reach and secured to the chainplates on each side for lateral > support. I'd plan to lower the mast until I can reach it easily from the > cockpit, then lower it the rest of the way by hand, so the tension in the > support line doesn't get too big as the mast approaches horizontal. Has > anyone tried anything like this? Hate it find out it doesn't work the hard > way. > > Thanks, > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L >

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Re: M_Boats: Mast lowering
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 21 May '14

21 May '14

Rick, I have tried many ways and set-up a number of rigs for customers - but in the case of a M-17 - I found the best/easiest/safest way to go for me is an adjustable transom mounted mast carrier. The support can be extended to a level you are comfortable with when lowering the mast while standing on the top of the house and lowering it by easing it down to the mast carrier support in the extended position. Relying on additional side stays and support becomes time consuming and sometimes fails when you need it most! If you can supprt the mast by easing it back to a TALL support at the transom while standing in the area on top of the cabin house - there is little room for 'disaster' IF "WE" are strong enuf and up to the task (I am sliding down the age ladder myself and strength is waning a bit). I use a mast carrier that adjusts from 2'-10" above the upper gudgeon to 4'-8" in the extended position - two pieces of 3/16 line tied from top of mast support to mooring cleats each side when extended to support the upper end of support when extended. I 'guide' the mast down to the roller mounted on top of the support while standing on top of the cabin house. The weight of the rig is not too much at this stage - the headsail halyard could be used to assist the lowering - attach it to the forestay chainplate and ease as you lower the mast. If you would like I can send photos of the mast support - nothing special, can be built at home maybe a bit of welding helps. Never have had good luck with gin poles - a-frames and cranes- they seem to add complexity to my already short time for sailing - BUT if you need 'em - build the best you can afford/design/construct! Good Luck Be Safe Don't hurt Yourself. Go Sailing GO In a message dated 5/21/2014 2:03:53 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104(a)gmail.com writes: Hi all, I'm trying to figure out a simple (meaning without a gin pole) way to lower the mast on my M17 single-handed without having to walk it down the hard way in the cockpit. I thought of attaching one end of the main sheet to the front mast support on the trailer and the other end to the jib halyard. I think someone on the forum described something like this quite a while ago, but I can't find it. I plan on using a line tied around the mast as high as I can reach and secured to the chainplates on each side for lateral support. I'd plan to lower the mast until I can reach it easily from the cockpit, then lower it the rest of the way by hand, so the tension in the support line doesn't get too big as the mast approaches horizontal. Has anyone tried anything like this? Hate it find out it doesn't work the hard way. Thanks, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L

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M-12 for sale near Atlanta
by Charlie Fortner 21 May '14

21 May '14

Not my boat and I have no idea who the seller is. Saw the ad while browsing CL last night and almost spit out my drink in astonishment because M boats are rare here. Wish I had room for it, otherwise I'd snatch it up: [1]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/boa/4479340525.html References 1. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/boa/4479340525.html

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embarrassment of riches
by Chesley Sugg 21 May '14

21 May '14

I have a wonderful 1981 M-15 down at my sailing club that I have had for about a year. Recently, a 1982 M-17 came up for sale, $2500. She's in ok but not great shape. No major problems that I can find. Centerboard has been dropped, sanded and epoxied. Boat is dirty and has some cushions but they really don't fit. She comes with a ok trailer, new lights and bearings. Boat has electric system missing. 4 hp 2-stroke johnson. Am I a idiot for buying her? I just want to find out if it suits me better that my 15. Thanks, Ches

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Re: M_Boats: old boat?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 14 May '14

14 May '14

Excellent! Keep up the good work. GO In a message dated 5/14/2014 12:01:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, stevetrapp(a)q.com writes: My M-15, which I bought new in 1985 has already outlived my expectations. But, then I too have already outlived my expectations, and I hope to keep my M-15 going as long as I am able to sail and enjoy it. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Black" <seaweeble(a)hotmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: old boat? > How long are you planning on living, Steve? If your boat is built anything > like the Seaweeble you could be waiting a while. > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: stevetrapp > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 12:26 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: old boat? > > This is an interesting use of an old boat. Maybe when my M-boat gets to > retirement age, block it on the ground and use the cabin? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip McCowin" <pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: old boat? #44 making big progress...complete new keel > installed. > > >> How about >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 10, 2014, at 12:16 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Aluminum AND fiberglass can be recycled - hard to find anyone to recycle >>> FG >>> though. >>> >>> The owner of a 'large sailboat manufacturing company' once told me in >>> response to similar comment - '...once they are built/bought/paid for - >>> it >>> doesn't really matter to me if they end up in a dumpster - they are >>> objects not >>> people' >>> >>> different strokes for diff folks. >>> >>> Have Fun Go Sailing! >>> >>> we be lammy natin here. >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 5/10/2014 8:09:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >>> stevetrapp(a)q.com writes: >>> >>> Linda, >>> I can not imagine a Montgomery boat converted into an outboard power >>> boat. >>> What happens to old boats? Set them out to sea to >>> float away and die? I think I had a good solution for the old aluminum >>> boat when I donated it to my boy scout camp. But the boy scout camp >>> could >>> use it. What does one do with an old boat that is beyond use? >>> Steve >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Linda Cummings" <lindaonthewater(a)gmail.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 7:40 AM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: #44 making big progress...complete new keel >>> installed. >>> >>> >>> Amazing what Montgomery owners will do rather than let a good boat die! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 10, 2014, at 7:22 AM, "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Linda, >>>> Can you imagine this? I imagine it would be disgusting. >>>> Woodenboat Festival at Percival Landing today, I will of course, go >>> look. >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <bownez(a)juno.com> >>>> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:27 AM >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: #44 making big progress...complete new keel >>> installed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean, >>>> >>>> You are to be commended for giving hull #44 a new life. Kudos for >>>> taking >>> on such an involved project. >>>> Some other "boater" could have well chopped the keel off, plugged it, >>> and mounted a 150hp outboard on the transom! >>>> (Jerry has a story about such an occurrence). >>>> >>>> You're as sick as I am, an M23 and an M17. >>>> >>>> Bones >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> This fish is Toxic (avoid) >>>> Impairs brain function, damages your heart, joints, & skin >>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/536e1b7dd3561b7c6ae5st03vuc >> > > >

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Re: M_Boats: old boat? #44 making big progress...complete new keel installed.
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 14 May '14

14 May '14

Aluminum AND fiberglass can be recycled - hard to find anyone to recycle FG though. The owner of a 'large sailboat manufacturing company' once told me in response to similar comment - '...once they are built/bought/paid for - it doesn't really matter to me if they end up in a dumpster - they are objects not people' different strokes for diff folks. Have Fun Go Sailing! we be lammy natin here. In a message dated 5/10/2014 8:09:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, stevetrapp(a)q.com writes: Linda, I can not imagine a Montgomery boat converted into an outboard power boat. What happens to old boats? Set them out to sea to float away and die? I think I had a good solution for the old aluminum boat when I donated it to my boy scout camp. But the boy scout camp could use it. What does one do with an old boat that is beyond use? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Cummings" <lindaonthewater(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 7:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: #44 making big progress...complete new keel installed. Amazing what Montgomery owners will do rather than let a good boat die! Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2014, at 7:22 AM, "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Linda, > Can you imagine this? I imagine it would be disgusting. > Woodenboat Festival at Percival Landing today, I will of course, go look. > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bownez(a)juno.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: #44 making big progress...complete new keel installed. > > > Sean, > > You are to be commended for giving hull #44 a new life. Kudos for taking on such an involved project. > Some other "boater" could have well chopped the keel off, plugged it, and mounted a 150hp outboard on the transom! > (Jerry has a story about such an occurrence). > > You're as sick as I am, an M23 and an M17. > > Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > This fish is Toxic (avoid) > Impairs brain function, damages your heart, joints, & skin > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/536e1b7dd3561b7c6ae5st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: sad to have to sell my 23
by bownez＠juno.com 13 May '14

13 May '14

Hi Jeff, It is always sad to part with a boat you have loved and brought numerous good times. But you are going to another sailboat, not giving up this fabulous sport. Good luck with the sale, I think your price is reasonable and fair. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/536f6daac8c196daa04dest02vuc

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Montgomery 17 for sale in San Diego
by Matthew Marx 12 May '14

12 May '14

Hi Montgomery folks, I just posted an ad for my M17 Lily (#638) for sale, you can find it and my contact info here: http://sailingtexas.com/201401/smontgomery17133.html I've loved my M17, built perfectly by Bob Egg and crew, and sailed around southern California with the SoCal Potters and on a few trips to the fest at Havasu (landscape recognizable in a couple of the pictures in the ad). Weekend interests for the family have changed, and the boat hasn't seen much use over the past couple of years. It's a crime to have her just sittin' around. Fair winds, Matt

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sad to have to sell my 23
by Jeff 10 May '14

10 May '14

Hello Montgomery sailors, Thought I would inform all of you on this list first. Hesitatingly, I am going to list my 1982 M23 Clarity for sale. Shasta and I have recently moved aboard our "new to us" Ericson 36c and cannot justify keeping 2 boats as we complete grad school. We have so enjoyed sailing Clarity over the years - including the San Juan and Gulf Island trip last year as one of the six 23's to participate in the cruise. In the 10 years or so I have owned Clarity, she has received: - centerboard removed, sandblasted, barrier coated, and re-pinned - new standing rigging - new HD motor mount - a new (2003 model) Honda 8hp 4 stroke - newly insulated hull and wood lining in cabin - 2 new 12v deep cycle batteries - new 160 Genoa The cabin was not factory finished as the boat was used for racing. I have been slowly doing the woodwork and most of the hard stuff is done. Still time to finish it the way you like. Not going to list all the extras here, but anyone interested can contact me off-list at northwave20(a)yahoo.com or at 509-675-2980. Price is $18,500 and the boat is in Bellingham WA Jeff M-23 Clarity

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