April 2014 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Advice on repair of centerboard trunk
by Becky Belding 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

I would really appreciate some advice on the methods of repair for my centerboard trunk... I was really fortunate to make contact with a past owner of my boat (He sold to the fellow I purchased from) and shared that in approx 2009 the tang broke off and had it welded up to size. He suggested I have the shackle replaced with a shorter one and have the pennant property spliced on. The knot is responsible for the damage to the centerboard trunk and suggested repair and to have a "sleeve" put on it to keep the water from spurting up through the hole. I plan to have her bottom painted and will have the centerboard dropped and inspected. I would really like to understand what might be necessary in terms of repairs by seasoned Montgomery owners. I hope that some of these repairs I can learn to do myself. This past owner did not have problems with centerboard/rust and I am hoping this is still the case...she was not inspected when I purchased from out of state. Thank you! Becky Two photos attached Sent from my iPad

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What the heck is that??
by Thomas Buzzi 10 Apr '14

10 Apr '14

Something is growing through the fiberglass headliner above the v-berth in my Montgomery 17. When I pulled the pulpit yesterday morning there were a couple of places water got into the hull beneath each side of the pulpit. I can see a half moon of white powder on the headliner radiating out from each side of the bow from where the fasteners leaked. There also within the half moon of water damage was a "crop" of brown things growing upside down through the fiberglass headliner where the wet out of cloth did not fill the voids in the fiberglass cloth. They looked like cork material. I brushed them off and set off a mold bomb and buttoned up the boat for the day. This morning after opening up the boat there was a new crop of these brown things growing down from the headliner where they had been yesterday. With the observed growth rate I suspect they are some sort of fungus like a mushroom. I suspect that some spore or other found its way inside the balsa material between the deck and headliner and is living off the water supply and the balsa. Although the deck sounds solid over most of the area I suspect that where the half moon of water stain shows on the headliner is the extent of the compromised (colonized?) balsa and should probably be removed. If I was a gambling man I would epoxy the soft spot in the deck and do the epoxy in the drilled out fastener hole thing as well as slap a layer of fiberglass cloth and resin over the water stain down below in hopes of smothering the new occupants. Any thoughs on this situation would be welcomed. Tom B

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M15 Centerboard
by Kearns, Kevin P 10 Apr '14

10 Apr '14

I just dropped a bolt in the cockpit of my M15 and, of course, it found its way down the drain. It is on the trailer now, so I can't check to see if this will jam the board...I'll have to wait till I launch it. Does anyone know what my chances are of this jamming the board? Nothing I can do now, but I would appreciate some experiences. Darn. Kevin Kearns, M15 #518 Pittsburgh

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Re: M_Boats: M15 Centerboard - problem solved
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 10 Apr '14

10 Apr '14

nicely done Kevin. Congrats. sal In a message dated 4/9/2014 8:11:07 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, kkearns(a)pitt.edu writes: Robert, Let's say this is one of those instances where "great minds think alike" (just kidding). Mid-afternoon while sitting in a work meeting that droned on and on, I too came up with the idea of slipping a magnet on a string down into the hole. A stop at my local hardware store on the way home from work, and a $5 investment, provided an even better mechanism (a powerful magnet on the end of a bendable rod, evidently designed to retrieve lost jewelry, etc. from sink drains). Anyway, it worked on the first try! Whew. I was about to lose some sleep over that one. I plan to insert some rust proof screen or something like that (gutter guard?) in the drain hole to prevent this from happening again. Thanks everyone for your support, sympathy, and ingenious ideas! Kevin ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall [bert.hall(a)rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 7:36 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Centerboard Hi Kevin,If your bolt is NOT stainless you can try a little magnet on a string. If it is SS you can try a piece of coat hanger wire bent in a "J " shape at the bottom and go fishing down the hole sort of hooking and jerking.Finally, it is difficult but possible to jack up the bow end of the 15 on the trailer high enough to let the CB descend if it will and if not you can try poking a saw blade or thin steel ruler up from the bottom to dislodge the bolt. Success or failure will depend largely on the size of the bolt and whether or not it has already become trapped . Take it slow and persist. Good luck. RTH -----Original Message----- From: Kearns, Kevin P Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:07 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M15 Centerboard I just dropped a bolt in the cockpit of my M15 and, of course, it found its way down the drain. It is on the trailer now, so I can't check to see if this will jam the board...I'll have to wait till I launch it. Does anyone know what my chances are of this jamming the board? Nothing I can do now, but I would appreciate some experiences. Darn. Kevin Kearns, M15 #518 Pittsburgh

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Re: M_Boats: Mold remediation
by Dave Scobie 09 Apr '14

09 Apr '14

Beware of these mushroom vents. They require a good sized hole and they do leak. At some point I will be removing the day/nite vent that is on Sal and Gail Glessers' in m15 I've had no mold issues with my mboats. My practice is all surfaces are kept clean as mold needs a food source. When boat not in use the cushions are put on edge for air flow and all cabin locker lids are opened. I also never fully cover boat with a 'blue tarp' as they trap moisture. :: Dave Scobie Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Excellent idea. Thanks. Hummmmm, I knew that. > > >On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Rich Makela ><richmak(a)makelaperformance.com>wrote: > >> To help keep the mold from forming in the first place, consider a 24/7 >> exhaust fan, solar powered with rechargeable battery, such as the Day/Night >> Plus from Nicro. Once installed on my M-17, the mold smell was gone. It >> keeps moisture from accumulating in the closed-up cabin when the boat is >> moored. >> >> Rich Makela >> M-17 #233 - Harmony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W >> David >> Scobie >> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:06 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mold remediation >> >> Tom: >> >> good discussion of mold here - >> >> http://www.svcambria.com/2014/03/spring-has-sprung-leak-cleaning-and.html >> >> >> also, after cleaning, for _interior_ spaces some have used bathroom house >> paint that has an anti-mold additive. >> >> >> or, after cleaning, paint the cabin storage areas with Interlux bilgecoat - >> >> http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/diy/products/finishes/bilgekote.aspx >> >> >> or, after cleaning, re-gelcoat the interior. doing this with a brush isn't >> hard, your boat's current interior gelcoat was done the same way. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 4/9/14, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Before jumping into dealing with some >> nasty cabin mold I thought I would >> query the MSOG members for their experiences and any suggestions as to >> how >> to proceed with this task especially in the use of concoctions that would >> deal with deeply ingrained mold. I seem to remember someone pressure >> washing the interior of his boat but wonder about water getting trapped >> between the hull and liner, if this is possible. Also, I have to replace >> some separated tabbing between bulkheads and hull which I would assume >> should be attended to first since getting water in the separation could be >> problematical trying to dry out. I am trying to avoid doing much other >> work inside the hull before I deal with the mold having read about mold >> toxicity. >> Thanks for any ideas and experiences. >> >> Tom B, Mont.17 #258, 1977 >> >> >> >> >>

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Mold remediation
by Thomas Buzzi 09 Apr '14

09 Apr '14

Before jumping into dealing with some nasty cabin mold I thought I would query the MSOG members for their experiences and any suggestions as to how to proceed with this task especially in the use of concoctions that would deal with deeply ingrained mold. I seem to remember someone pressure washing the interior of his boat but wonder about water getting trapped between the hull and liner, if this is possible. Also, I have to replace some separated tabbing between bulkheads and hull which I would assume should be attended to first since getting water in the separation could be problematical trying to dry out. I am trying to avoid doing much other work inside the hull before I deal with the mold having read about mold toxicity. Thanks for any ideas and experiences. Tom B, Mont.17 #258, 1977

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Rot
by Thomas Buzzi 08 Apr '14

08 Apr '14

Just pulled the bow pulpit off the M17 in the yard. There is a soft spot in the deck just aft of one of the deck flanges connected to the pipes that make up the pulpit. After cleaning the bolt hole out I notice that there is about an eighth inch of space between the underside of the deck and the top of the v-berth liner. I don't think I am going to get all the rot out with a nail on a drill bit. Am I looking at cutting out the liner below decks or removing the deck and cracked gelcoat right over the soft spot? I plan on painting the deck anyway as there are lots of stress cracks and crazing in the gelcoat. Seems like it would be easier to open the problem from the deck side. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tom B. M-17#258, 1977

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Jib Sheet Size for Montgomery 15
by David Grah 03 Apr '14

03 Apr '14

I am the happy owner of a new 85% jib and a new storm jib from Elliot Pattison Sailmakers and want to get some line for sheets for these new sails. My existing jib sheets are 7/16 or 1/2 inch diameter and it has been suggested that is a little big for the boat. 5/16 or 3/8 inch diameter line has been suggested. I live out in the middle of nowhere with not other boats to look at and no other line to grab to see how it feels. What line size does the group suggest for jib sheets for my boat? Any particular source or product suggested in addition? Thanks! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 serial 369 "Sky"

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Re: M_Boats: New group member...
by bownez＠juno.com 02 Apr '14

02 Apr '14

Hi Doug, I remember our North Channel trip fondly, what incredible cruising grounds. The layover day was the day after I left the group to head back to Spanish, I was pulling my M17 during the rain..... In the latest issue of Cruising World there is a great article on the NC of Huron. I'm not a huge fan of CW as it depicts big expensive boats which I will never own and distant places I will probably never see, BUT, I can't wait for the next visit to the North Channel, which is very much within my reach. C'mon back up! Bones ____________________________________________________________ Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/533c6eecf1dc6eeb14east03vuc

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New group member...
by Alec McCandless 02 Apr '14

02 Apr '14

Hello all! I'm new to this group, but not new to sailing. I'd love to see a member's 15 or 17 in the New England area. I'm in CT now, but will be in northern VT later in the summer. I have a Capri 22 now, but am thinking of downsizing to a Monty 17 or maybe 15... Can one of you who has cruised the 15, even just for weekends, shoot me a note about it's ability to do this in (relative) comfort? I've done so on the 22, without difficulty, so have some clue what I'm in for... Much thanks, and the boats seem excellent! -Alec

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