February 2014 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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Good Old Boat Review
by Ferdinand Johns 08 Mar '14

08 Mar '14

Hello, everybody. The Montgomery 17 review will appear in the March/April issue of Good Old Boat magazine, which will be available mid-February or so. Thanks for all of your help. It was an easy boat to say good things about. Best, Ferd Johns

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galveston bay texas
by Thomas 04 Mar '14

04 Mar '14

I have been researching trailerable boats, downsizing from a cape dory 22. Am 69 years old and no longer want a boat with slip fees, and want something I caln handle by myself (wife is good to hold tiller, and launching), but otherwise just me. I would like to know if there is anyone in the Houston area that I could possibly go out with to see what a Montgomery 15 sails like. I live in league city. phone 281-910-4267. Have owned many boats over the years, and have crossed the gulf 4 times, sailed to gualemala, Veracruz, florida and the bahama's. if you have a montogomery 15 and are willing I will pay for the day.

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Small Jibs for Montgomery 15
by David Grah 03 Mar '14

03 Mar '14

I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky

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mast rake
by Daniel Rich 03 Mar '14

03 Mar '14

Montypals: Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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M15 Storm Jib
by Fran Lebowitz 26 Feb '14

26 Feb '14

Hi David Grah, I bought a Storm Jib from Elliot Pattison for our M15 and I thought it was very useful for strong windy conditions. Kept the boat under control even with the main reefed. It wasn't a big expense, but well worth it for my sailing style: smooth sailing. Fran Former M15 #236

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Headsail Selection
by Henry Rodriguez 26 Feb '14

26 Feb '14

What hank-on headsails would you get for an M17 if you could only have two (in addition to a storm jib)? 110% and 130% ? 110% and 150% ? 130% and 150% ? 130% with reef and 170% nylon drifter? Other combinations? I like to sail in heavy air but often end up in very light stuff. In other words I need sails for all conditions, mostly on inland lakes with an occasional foray to Lake Michigan or Lake Superior. I can't afford to buy any right now but would like to know what to save up for. What size storm jib? I have a tanbark sail from a smaller boat that I think might work. It is 14'3" x 13'10" x 6'11", about 47 sq ft. I also have two real storm sails from Chiquita. One is tanbark, 14' x 11'6" x 6'2", about 36 sq ft. The other is white, 12' x 9' x 6', about 26 sq ft. Which would be most appropriate for a M17? -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Re: M_Boats: Headsail Selection
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Feb '14

25 Feb '14

Henry, The two sails that get the most mileage on my 17 are a 155 and a approx. 138/5 tall -(very heavy) VERY HEAVY ( the sail is a jib from a Knarr class ) someone once said it is 'corrugated sheet metal' - Between the two mentioned AND a storm jib - you should be able to cover many conditions - by reefing - I think you would be more than happy and not be underpowered - the boat is pretty stiff. I rarely use my 110. I dislike going slow and sail 'if I am there' - we do not get 'blown out'. In the last 6 years we planned on reefing the main once - waited 20 minutes and went with full main and 110 and could have used 138/5 - we really dislike going slowly - are ALWAYS comfortable and do not believe we are stressing the boat - they are pretty much brick ___houses - built to sail comfortably in a 'stiff breeze'. I believe Jerry M once called them - 'fiberglass icebreakers' or similar in the original brochure. Masthead rigs can often carry a full genoa with a reefed main quite comfortably into 'high' wind ranges. 'Cruising does NOT mean - SLOW' - time in transit is a factor regarding provisions - try squeezing water out of a ____ when you have no breeze and small sails! My opinion - your mileage may vary - wear eye protection and a PFD at all times! Take Care,Have Fun,Go Sailing! GHenryO my sailmaker of choice - Ullman Newport Beach - ask for Keith or Bruce. The others are good too - 'Made in USA' is on my sails. keepin it 'local' - check prices - you may be surprised! In a message dated 2/25/2014 10:26:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir(a)gmail.com writes: What hank-on headsails would you get for an M17 if you could only have two (in addition to a storm jib)? 110% and 130% ? 110% and 150% ? 130% and 150% ? 130% with reef and 170% nylon drifter? Other combinations? I like to sail in heavy air but often end up in very light stuff. In other words I need sails for all conditions, mostly on inland lakes with an occasional foray to Lake Michigan or Lake Superior. I can't afford to buy any right now but would like to know what to save up for. What size storm jib? I have a tanbark sail from a smaller boat that I think might work. It is 14'3" x 13'10" x 6'11", about 47 sq ft. I also have two real storm sails from Chiquita. One is tanbark, 14' x 11'6" x 6'2", about 36 sq ft. The other is white, 12' x 9' x 6', about 26 sq ft. Which would be most appropriate for a M17? -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Re: M_Boats: M17 Headsail Selection
by W David Scobie 25 Feb '14

25 Feb '14

Henry: 150% and a 110%. this is what i have on my M17. as the wind comes up M17 sails best with a 150% for as long as you can (and remain comfortable). my practice is to first reef the main and then go for a smaller headsail. for a 'working storm jib' something around 80% will do you well. dug up the following from a 2012 post by JudyB - [M17 headsail sizes based on Jerry's sailplan]: > > 80% with a luff of 19.25' > 60% with a luff of 12' > two good folks to contact about headsail sizes, besides Jerry, are: JudyB with Hyde sails - www.judybsails.com or Harry with E/P sails - www.epsails.com for the two 'small' sails you have it would be best to go sailing in high wind to see how they perform. besides the dimensions you list you need to consider - * build of the sail (strong enough for high winds) * draft of the sail (to much draft for a high wind sail isn't good, you want 'flat' sails for high wind) * is the clue in the correct place for correctly trimming the sail on an M17. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 2/25/14, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: What hank-on headsails would you get for an M17 if you could only have two (in addition to a storm jib)? 110% and 130% ? 110% and 150% ? 130% and 150% ? 130% with reef and 170% nylon drifter? Other combinations? I like to sail in heavy air but often end up in very light stuff. In other words I need sails for all conditions, mostly on inland lakes with an occasional foray to Lake Michigan or Lake Superior. I can't afford to buy any right now but would like to know what to save up for. What size storm jib? I have a tanbark sail from a smaller boat that I think might work. It is 14'3" x 13'10" x 6'11", about 47 sq ft. I also have two real storm sails from Chiquita. One is tanbark, 14' x 11'6" x 6'2", about 36 sq ft. The other is white, 12' x 9' x 6', about 26 sq ft. Which would be most appropriate for a M17? -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Projects
by Thomas Buzzi 17 Feb '14

17 Feb '14

Was reading one of Capt'n Pauley's columns, Small Craft Advisor, Mar/Apr, about using the proper materials for backing plates. Facing having to redo all my deck cleats and adding a couple I initially brushed off this article as having "been there, done that" but I am glad I read it because he mentioned his choice of backing plate material which was"G-10" fiberglass boards. They are solid fiberglass build up in board form and make excellent backing plates not being subject to corrosion, or rot, etc. Looking on the web for the material turned up "Wholesale Marine" which just happen to have an analagous material on sale at the moment. Jamestown disbributors also sells this material in 2x3 or 3x6 precut blanks which allow you to spend just enough for the material precut. Nice to know there is an industry out there built around catering to boatowner needs. Jerry, I also read where you are going to use vinylester fiberglass in your new 15'er. I had an S2 at one time and the bane of those hulls was blistering which was blamed on the vinylester resins used in the layup. Has something changed along this line of reasoning? My old boat had almost terminal blisters even with constant maintenance of bottom coatings. Fair winds, Tom B Mont 17, #258

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