September 2012 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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replacement windows
by Bonnie Kostka 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

A while back someone mentioned where to buy replacement widows, Did anyone buy them & where did they buy them? Bonnie M15

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invite d !
by bownez＠juno.com 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

Hi Connie! Good to hear from you.I'll get to work on the M-boat song.... "Wrinkle Boat, Wrinkle Boat, Wrinkle Boat Rock, keep us safe and avoid the rock ...." Bones ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec2793cbc8d77fbddst02vuc

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Free NOAA charts
by Daniel Rich 18 Dec '12

18 Dec '12

I am preparing for the Port Townsend Small Boat Sailing Academy next weekend, and am doing some homework before the event. One thing I have never had to do is navigate and really read a chart, so I am learning about that with some excellent books I have purchased. It turns out that you can download very useful charts directly from NOAA as printable booklets at this link: http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/BookletChart.html Some of you probably already know a great deal about this, but I just figured I would share this nice link. These things are really good, and are slightly smaller than the real thing. I have the real chart for Tomales Bay, which is chart #18643, but the booklet version is really nice. I can look at it on my iPad, or print it. My color printer does 2 sided printing, which is what the pdf is designed for, and it prints really well. Opposed pages line up. So, if you did not know about this free resource, there you are. I have downloaded a few more, including the Port Townsend chart for my upcoming trip. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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Mainsail reefing
by Tim Erwin 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

Hello from the Texas Redneck Riviera I am new to the boat and new to the group. I have learned a great deal from the discussions and looking to learning more. After sailing my Alberg 30 for many years she became too much for me. I've done a great deal of research on smaller boats and the M15 won out , hands down. I am very fortunate I found one 3 hours from my home. I'm 64 and have MS but I'm going to keep on sailing and this boat is going to allow me to do that. Now for my question. My boat is a 2007 model. Looking around, standard equipment is mainsail reefing . There is no sign of any reefing equipment on the boom. There are two turning blocks and two cleats on the outboard end. They are for the topping lift and outhaul. No other equipment on the boom at all. The mainsail has grommets for double reef! Do you think this boat was delivered incomplete? Do you think the folks that made this boat gave a discount for taking less than standard equipment or stripped down? I'm confused at least. Can anyone help me figure this out. Thanks, Tim Erwin. M15 # 641 Dark Star, Rockport, Texas

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Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17
by Ronald McNeil 19 Oct '12

19 Oct '12

Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I’m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17?

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Folsom Lake
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 18 Oct '12

18 Oct '12

Larry, will I be spotting old 189 out on Folsom Lake this year? Hope so.... Already got Bruce King from Fair Oaks to come out and sail with his M15 last summer... A fleet of three M15s in our backyard reservoir would be very cool. Better still, Karsten, if you're lurking out there...your boat would make four! Goshawk would bring it up to 5... Hmmmm maybe we can have our own "Wrinkle Boat Ran Tan" (sorry GO your gig would always still the "original" :-) OMG now all we need is alot more water in the lake... -Neil

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Re: M_Boats: Anchoring
by Larry E Yake 17 Oct '12

17 Oct '12

The subject of anchoring has been covered pretty well, but I would like to add one comment. Retrieval from the stern is fine when things are quiet and calm, but if things start to get dicey in your anchorage, trying to pull in your anchor from the cockpit while your boat is laying broadside or quartering stern-to in the wind and waves is not good. Likewise, trying to haul it in from a bouncing foredeck, hunched over with an aching back and trying to hold on while pulling up the rode while your motor is cavitating is not too good either. I've come up with a technique that has worked well in these conditions. So well, in fact, that I use it all the time. On CornDog, my M17, the anchor lives in a large tupperware type tub in the port cockpit locker. The anchor is deployed over the side while traveling forward, cleated off on the stern, and then walked forward and cleated to the bow. The tub and extra rode stays in the locker, with the tail of the rode running from the bow cleat back along the toe rail, over the coaming, and under a corner of the locker lid. To raise the anchor, I take a wrap around the port winch with the tail of the rode and cleat it off. Then I go forward, uncleat the rode from the bow cleat and put it in a snatch block hung from the bow pulpit. The boat is now still anchored facing forward into the waves, but the line can be handled from the cockpit. Pulling it up is simply a matter of pulling on the rode coming from the winch and letting it tail naturally into the tub in the open locker right below. The boat stays straight and in control, you're hoisting from a position better for your back, and you're handy to the motor controls. If your anchor is hung up, you're already on the winch and can crank with a winch handle if needed. Obviously, you can only raise the anchor until your chain gets to the snatch block. For this reason, I only use 10 feet of chain. By the time the chain gets to the snatch block the anchor is off the bottom. If things are calm I'll walk forward, release it from the snatch block, let it swing back to the cockpit, and finish the retrieve. If things are still dicey or crowded, I'll let the anchor and chain dangle from the bow and motor out to where there is more room and depth to release it from the bow. To compensate for the shorter chain, if I'm worried about my anchor holding, I'll slide and 10 lb. mushroom anchor down the rode on a carabiner. Works the same as extra chain to keep the pull horizontal on the anchor itself. Larry Yake M17 CornDog "In a powerboat you get there sooner, in a sailboat you're already there."

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