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Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invite d !
by bownez＠juno.com 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

Hi Connie! Good to hear from you.I'll get to work on the M-boat song.... "Wrinkle Boat, Wrinkle Boat, Wrinkle Boat Rock, keep us safe and avoid the rock ...." Bones ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec2793cbc8d77fbddst02vuc

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BEER cruise at Pensacola
by Michael Murphy 26 Apr '12

26 Apr '12

Got back from the BEER (Backwater Environmental Escape Rendevous) in Florda this week. 3 small boats were there: a M-15, a Potter 15, & a 20' cat boat; boats like 26' MacGregors and Morgons predominated. Half the trip was a beam reach with northerly land breezes in the early AM and southwesterly sea breezes buyilding around noon. Only down side was the long road trip. Might have to try the Savannah area instead next year. It's closer to NC. Mike, Fionnula, M-15

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Howzit Somemore?
by seable＠lava.net 01 Feb '12

01 Feb '12

WOW! When I got my M17, I never expected to marry the family! What a bonus! So, can anyone confirm the “sailed to Hawaii” legend? When was that? What hull? Again, I have yet to hear from another owner here. Still, I seem to be gaining some notoriety for my “roadside redoo.” At least a few know what they drive by. It’s good for business! FYI, this wood-boat builder is looking forward to enjoying a fiberglass boat like never before, on our perfect playground; Kaneohe Bay, Windward Oahu. On that note, thanks for the input on C/B pennant access; I’m still wondering if it can be addressed by a shallow (warm) water dive at full drop? She should be off the trailer in another month or so; until then I’m looking at a short leash with a knot at unknown length. Also, the O/B discussion is invaluable; however, I’m favoring electric on the transom. Any thoughts? Also, great to hear from Canajian lake and Pacific sailors; I’m an Edmonton ex-pat and miss the wilds of C! Except the 40 below part! C or F thermumblter. I’ll be BAAAK! So, if anyone else would like to cross the pond, I can’t wait to race you. Kidding! Just a fun chat and cold beer. AloooHa! Philipp @ SE’ABLE (I have a working interest in boaters with disabilities.) 808-247-8497.

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Re: M_Boats: New Member & M17 outboard size
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 31 Jan '12

31 Jan '12

Roger, Welcome to the group! -chiming in on the engine issue - I sail M-17 like to sail-not motor, 4HP 2-stroke Evinrude Yachtwin(motivation to use infrequently-smoke- and too cheap to replace it as it works well) More than enough power with 'displacement type' prop. The 2 HP Honda is very impressive - it is tough. I will probably replace with that engine when necessary. BTW - Stan is one of those guys that regularly sails stern first into his slip -usually with little drama. Boat handling skills are a good thing and go a long way to affording maneuverability - Stan's skills are good++ hence a STRONG/ capable 2HP works for his case. (those Balboa/Newport kids are good at boathandling skills,light air,short courses, frozen bananas and heavy traffic - nature of the 'turf'.) Check the output Watt/RPM for generating cap. on outboards - usually ineffective at VERY best. A 10W solar panel w/regulator keeps 'house' battery at 100% for over two years to date, I have used this setup for almost 25 years - on second panel now. Hope you get out in your boat soon - great little boats. Have Fun, Go Sailing. GO M-17 sail# 354 hull #316a

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Re: M_Boats: New Member
by bownez＠juno.com 31 Jan '12

31 Jan '12

Hi Roger, Welcome to our outstanding group!I've owned my 1976 M17 since 1997. I use a 2001 Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke motor, I believe it weighs in at around 47 lbs and can use an external fuel tank. The motor is a jewel. For battery charging I use a small solar panel from Goal Zero. You are going to absolutely love your M17. Bones in Mn ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f25670612dc750ff18st06vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with
by Klaas 31 Jan '12

31 Jan '12

I guess as the weather warms up Ill see some one out there with one. This year for me will be one of getting to know the boat and what I can do with it . So I'll probably be sailing in and around Vancouver learning . Thanks to all the responded I think this is a great group KLaas > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:01:06 -0800 > From: Bruce Ward <northwave(a)telus.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with > Message-ID: <04B9BDB5-1DF4-4951-9529-5746314865D7(a)telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Klaas, I've not been on the list to view current content for a while > but I see Tim from Kelowna answered your query about Monty sailors in BC. > I'm in north central BC out of Houston and sail S/v Cerulea - a 1974 M17 > hull number 32. So I have a most decidedly vintage boat and it is in great > shape for her age and well worth any effort to keep her that way. I blew > out my shoulder and missed going to the coast last year because of the > surgery but I'm hopeful to make it there some day. BTW I bought my boat in > Port Townsend Washington and went there twice from Houston because I knew > the pedigree so to speak. Congrats on getting acquainted with Lyle and > Jerry's designs. > > Bruce Ward > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:25:21 -0800 > From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with > Message-ID: <001801ccdf5a$ff8a5bd0$fe9f1370$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bruce, you should come down to Kelowna for some sailing this summer. > Cruise the lake for a few days. > Tim. > ------------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bruce > Ward > Sent: January 29, 2012 23:01 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with > > Hi Klaas, I've not been on the list to view current content for a while > but > I see Tim from Kelowna answered your query about Monty sailors in BC. I'm > in > north central BC out of Houston and sail S/v Cerulea - a 1974 M17 hull > number 32. So I have a most decidedly vintage boat and it is in great > shape > for her age and well worth any effort to keep her that way. I blew out my > shoulder and missed going to the coast last year because of the surgery > but > I'm hopeful to make it there some day. BTW I bought my boat in Port > Townsend > Washington and went there twice from Houston because I knew the pedigree > so > to speak. Congrats on getting acquainted with Lyle and Jerry's designs. > > Bruce Ward > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4775 - Release Date: 01/29/12 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:28:42 -0800 > From: doug henning <doughenning1(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with > Message-ID: > <CAG4_5m-2iF1hFm_k-=5FmGa2c8KciM3NC1vEjSC-gmTwWx7bQA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Bruce, Klaas, and Tim, > I guess Bruce has dibs on the vintage status...he has me by three hulls (I > have '74 M17 #39). > I mainly use my boat on the Sunshine Coast, and sail in the northern > Georgia Basin, but have sailed down to "meet the fleet" in the San Juans a > few years back. Great group, which reflects the pride and thought that was > invested in the M-boats by Jerry and Lyle. I'm not big on trailer-sailing, > but hope one day to make the pilgrimage to Lake Havasu... > Give me a shout any time, and we can put our heads together to talk > boats... > I'd prefer text over phone calls if long-distance (less $); 604-524-one > six > 6 eight. > Email: doughenning1(a)gmail.com > Cheers, > Doug > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Tim Diebert <tim(a)timtone.com> wrote: > >> Bruce, you should come down to Kelowna for some sailing this summer. >> Cruise the lake for a few days. >> Tim. >> ------------------------------------ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bruce >> Ward >> Sent: January 29, 2012 23:01 >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with >> >> Hi Klaas, I've not been on the list to view current content for a while >> but >> I see Tim from Kelowna answered your query about Monty sailors in BC. I'm >> in >> north central BC out of Houston and sail S/v Cerulea - a 1974 M17 hull >> number 32. So I have a most decidedly vintage boat and it is in great >> shape >> for her age and well worth any effort to keep her that way. I blew out my >> shoulder and missed going to the coast last year because of the surgery >> but >> I'm hopeful to make it there some day. BTW I bought my boat in Port >> Townsend >> Washington and went there twice from Houston because I knew the pedigree >> so >> to speak. Congrats on getting acquainted with Lyle and Jerry's designs. >> >> Bruce Ward >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4775 - Release Date: 01/29/12 >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:27:15 -0800 > From: Bruce Ward <northwave(a)telus.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with > Message-ID: <888F50F4-6AA1-4591-ABA6-AA4CFE63002D(a)telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks and that is a great idea Tim. Is there an especially good time for > that and would you be in to sharing some knowledge and perhaps going in > tandem? Heck we could talk sailing and guitars (building and playing). > BTW, I'm 56. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 107, Issue 10 > *************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with
by Bruce Ward 30 Jan '12

30 Jan '12

Hi Doug, great to here from a near local M17 sailor along with Tim. I'd be interested in talking Montgomery sailing too. I'm at 250845-seven 4 one 5. I bought an awesome set of Egyptian cream dacron sails last year from Don Yager out of Spokane. Very well made and I can't tell you enough how great they look and set. - very powerful airfoils.

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