August 2010 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: racing my M23
by Larry E Yake 02 Apr '11

02 Apr '11

>So when is the next San Juan trip? Annual? Bi-annual? >Jeff Probably semi-annual. Larry

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Re: M_Boats: Raising mainsheet block cleat for easier release
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 10 Nov '10

10 Nov '10

Larry, I'm really sorry...I totally forgot that you did ask for that. I was supposed to shoot some pics for you of the halyard setup while in Monterey and did forget. I have not had the boat out of the garage and rigged since then. The mast remains in horizontal position diagonally across my garage so not a good place for a picture. This weekend I'm heading up to Alaska on vacation for the week. So it will be a couple of weeks before I have the opportunity to rig and launch...probably at Folsom. I'll take the picture at that time. Neil Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:19:26 -0700 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Raising mainsheet block cleat for easier release Neil, did you have any photos of your mainsail halyard system that I could view? Thanks, -----Larry in old 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:16 AM To: ndorf(a)surfbest.net; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Raising mainsheet block cleat for easier release Thanks Neil. ----Larry Old M-15 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf(a)surfbest.net Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 3:58 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Raising mainsheet block cleat for easier release Larry, I'll get a few digital photos when I next rig in Monterey a week from today. Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:48:33 -0700 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Raising mainsheet block cleat for easier release Neil, where are you sailing these days? Can you post some images of the main sheet rig? ---Larry in Old M-15 hull 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf(a)surfbest.net Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:27 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Raising mainsheet block cleat for easier release Hi Gordon, On my 1985 M15, I have a swivel cam cleat with bullseye that, I don't know, may have been original equipment. The stainless plate to which both the cleat and bullseye are attached has bent down, resulting in more effort (more leaning down) to secure the mainsheet when I need to do so. I've bent the ss plate up a couple of times but you can only bend ss so much before it will break. For a visual, the my current hardware looks very much like the Harken model 240 (look on Defender). Rather than replace with a new 240, after talking with a Harken rep I have decided for the purposes you mentioned, to go with a combo ratchet block and angled cam swivel base. Prbably something like the Harken #1235 ratchet block attached to the #144 swivel cam cleat. This will should only provide a better angle of control for the skipper, but also more purchase in ratcheting in the main under sporting conditions and close points of sail. All it takes is money :-( What say the rest of you M15 sailors? Any other ideas? Neil / 1985 M15 / Roseville CA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft(r) Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange

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Re: M_Boats: Reefing while under sail
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 10 Sep '10

10 Sep '10

Daniel, yes it is possible to do both. My mainsail and boom is setup for jiffy reefing. Here is Judy Blumhorst's web page that shows some photos of how the rigging would be setup (I only have one line, the photo shows two.) http://www.blumhorst.com/potterpages/potter_19_jiffy_reefing.htm If you need to reef in a hurry, put the boat in irons, then cinch in the jiffy reefing line, which will raise the boom up at an angle. Then lower the main, cinch in the cunningham or adjust the downhaul accordingly or and tie up the reefing lines on each opposing side of the main to each other under the boom. I'm not sure this is totally "textbook" but it's how I do it. Better still, if I have any doubt I need to reef, I start out sailing that way and then shake out the reef later if I feel it wasn't needed. With a little practice it is easy to make the M15 heave to, and I'm still a relative newbie. On the subject of heaving to and reefing line, M15 sailor Doug Kelch ("Seas the Day") explained it very well in a posting back in 2005. I don't know how to find the link (other than Google) but I'm sure he wouldn't mind my pasting it for you below: * * * * * "With the Montgomery boats there should not be a problem heaving to regardless of where the weight is. Heaving to is somewhat of a balancing act/art form but the basics should work all of the time. 1)cleat off the jib tight to the fairlead, 2)Tack leaving the jib cleated 3) hold the heading head to wind for a few seconds during the tack to take the speed off of the boat. 4) ease the mainsheet so that the boom is a foot or two off of the stern quarter and comlete the tack. 5) push the tiller as far to leward as possible on the new tack and tie it off. It is critical that the rudder be all the way to leward so that it acts as a brake and lets the boat burn any off any new energy trying to tack back when it has no momentum. The boat will creep forward makeing small attempts to come up to windward but not succeeding due the tiller braking action and the backwinded jib. My jiffy reefing is set up inboard of the end of the boom just so I can reach the reefing lines while hove to. Thanks Doug Kelch" * * * * * Doug: Safe travels to the Northwest and Fair Winds! Neil

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Re: M_Boats: rowing an m15
by Randy Watkins 04 Sep '10

04 Sep '10

montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com. Hi Fellow sailors, A couple of questions. We have a 2003 M15, "Becca Anne". 1. A porti-potti for this Model? Which model will fit the newer M15's? 2. rowing- I've thought about adding side mounted oar lock sockets and oar locks and wondered if anyone else has dome this project? Regards, Randy W. Texas jazzmanrandy(a)hotmail.com

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Re: M_Boats: Reefing while under sail
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 01 Sep '10

01 Sep '10

Daniel Personally, I wouldn't drill any more holes into the mast if I didn't have to. http://www.sailrite.com/Sail-Track-Stop-Round (this is what I have) http://www.rigrite.com/spars/XMainsail_Gates.html (more options) http://www.mail-archive.com/montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com/msg13850.h tml (Old 2007 m-boat thread on the same subject) Neil Original Message: ----------------- From: Daniel Rich danielgrich(a)gmail.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:25:07 -0700 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Reefing while under sail Now, that makes sense! Easy. OK, I'll do it on my current boat, and when I get an M15, on that one too! Daniel On 8/31/2010 9:23 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Daniel - try drilling and tapping the sail slot in your mast for a 3/16" or > 1/4" (use whichever size fits between the 'ears' at the slot area) - > install a SS round head machine screw - install the screw into the track and you > have a permanent sail stop that is also removable. > > The cylindrical or flat stock type stop with the screw variety is prone > to slipping in the track and breaking off the stud. > > Make sure your forward reef line at the tack pulls the bolt rope slightly > forward as the aft reef line is trying to pull it out of the mast. > > Take Care,Have Fun, Go Sailing > > GO > M-17 # 316 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange

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Re: M_Boats: On the wag bag expense
by FireVetMX＠aol.com 31 Aug '10

31 Aug '10

David - I have a M-17 & a canoe & am planning to canoe Granby the night of 10-23 - I might tow the M-17 up also?

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On the wag bag expense
by DavidCPatterson Patteson 31 Aug '10

31 Aug '10

One way to handle human waste without a porta potti, or the expense of the wag bag system, is to buy the Poo Powder product separately, use an 8 gallon garbage bag or whatever fits your "seat of ease", then store the waste in an odor barrier plastic bag, like that made by Opsak (amazon.com, or where ever). I assume these odor-proof bags were developed for NASA or the military or such. They can be re-used, and actually work very well. I cruise for 3 or 4 days at a time on my M17, and just keep the waste in an Opsak in the stern wet locker. It is completely non-intrusive once sealed. (David Patterson, M17 Cloud Girl, 1985 galley model, sailing on Lake Granby, CO)

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Re: M_Boats: Reefing while under sail
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 31 Aug '10

31 Aug '10

Daniel - try drilling and tapping the sail slot in your mast for a 3/16" or 1/4" (use whichever size fits between the 'ears' at the slot area) - install a SS round head machine screw - install the screw into the track and you have a permanent sail stop that is also removable. The cylindrical or flat stock type stop with the screw variety is prone to slipping in the track and breaking off the stud. Make sure your forward reef line at the tack pulls the bolt rope slightly forward as the aft reef line is trying to pull it out of the mast. Take Care,Have Fun, Go Sailing GO M-17 # 316

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