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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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M15 for sale in Nor Cal on Craigslist
by George Morrison 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

I already own a M15, so I can't use another. But this sure sounds like a good deal/quick sale! Plus it's very rare to see any M-Boats for sale! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/boa/1042037932.html George "M" M15 319 San Jose, CA

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M10
by Fuh-Shing Pan 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Someone out there must be interested in this: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/1111004805.html Fuh-Shing Pan, M15 #120 "Panasea" _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mo…

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Re: M_Boats: Gel Cells
by Steve R. 01 May '09

01 May '09

Let me share with you what I have learned about gel cells. My organization put a new facility in service in 2005. Soon afterwards our insurance carrier began a process that forced us to dispose of several gel cell battery banks and replace them with wet cells (lead acid). These banks primarily provide emergency lubrication for about $100 million of rotating equipment, with maybe double that amount in lost revenue if the equipment had to be replaced (revenue not profit). Everyone thought gel cells were a great idea, but no one talked to the insurance people. The carrier reported that actual life of gel cells in an industrial setting was something like seven years, where as life expectancy was predicted to be 20 to 25 years. These cells are far more pampered and scrutinized than those in the average recreational application. The banks are stationary, in a stable temperature environment, monitored on a 24 x 7 basis and fed by commercial grade chargers. A computerized log of maintenance and testing activities is kept. I do an annual internal audit of records and we are subject to an external audit every third year. They may supply power three or four times a year for an hour or so if at all. I have to say that experience changed my opinion of gel cells. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Leexington, KY

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Bottom Paint
by John and DesAnne Hippe 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

Hello All, Thanks for everyone's input. After consideration I have decided to follow Gary's advice and go with VC 17. It is a thin antifouling paint recommended for fresh water. Because it is formulated with teflon it should be slippery. It is also said to produce a "hard, super-smooth racing finish." Just the thing for an M-15... I am almost done removing the old bottom paint. I began with 80 grit on my random orbital then switched to 100 grit on the random orbital and am finishing with 100 grit by hand to get into the corners of the lapstrakes and the other areas that my random orbital wouldn't go. I love the looks of lapstrake but it sure is a pain to sand. It is a joy, however, to see the bottom beginning to look so much better -- and smoother. No more old, lumpy, flaky bottom paint. If I had it to do again I would have begun with a scraper. I originally tried this with a bad scraper and then abandoned it. Later I found a better scraper (a pull type) that worked very well. In addition the the cracks that I mentioned in previous posts, I have found a couple of spots where the gel coat has chipped off. So, before painting I will be repairing these. John M-15 Jester

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

Yep, Gary's correct. I have been using VC-17 for three years now. I leave my boat slipped in freshwater for 6 months at a time. During the cooler months I find that if I get under the boat and wipe it down about every three to four months it does great. Just the slightest amount of slime starting in that period and it wipes right off. Warmer water requires more frequent wipe down. You don't want to wipe it any more than you have to, though, as you are removing paint when you do it. I add 2-3 coats every at the beginning of each season. Note that the color of the paint changes dramatically after it is submerged for a few days. I use the "original" color. It looks like a copper penny when it goes on. Totally changes after submersion and what color it changes to depends on if it is submerged in fresh or salt water. Still looks good though, and is slicker than all get out when wet. Not the funnest job applying to a lapstrake hull VS a regular hull. I find the small 4" foam rollers that West Marine sells work great for me. The foam wraps around the end of the roller allowing it to get into the corners of the lapstrake. Good luck, and have fun. Don't breathe that copper powder! Sean M23 "Dauntless" _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219491521x1201306563/aol… click.net%2Fclk%3B214102108%3B35952091%3Bs)

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
by JDavies104＠aol.com 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

John, I also have ablative bottom paint on my boat put on by the previous owner who kept her in salt water. How are you removing the paint on your boat? I'd be interested in your experience, since removing the bottom paint is on my to-do list (though not at the top of the list). My boat is now dry-sailed, so I don't need the anti-fouling protection. Good luck, Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
by bownez＠juno.com 29 Apr '09

29 Apr '09

Hi John, I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23. Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive. Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water. I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product. For what it is worth. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on how to reduce your debt by filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLjhbWpbqjdDCx3K2JXIfXGBb…

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AMY M17 F/D Arrives safe in Washington
by Mark Escovedo 29 Apr '09

29 Apr '09

Ahoy Thar, Well I towed my M17 F/D AMY up to Washington on Friday, Left LA at 2:30pm, arrived at our destination at 10:30 am Saturday morning, safe and sound. A friend was kind enough to allow me to store "Amy" in her yard for the time being. Next weekend I will transfer the rest of my belongings to my new home in Camas, Wa. I was completely floored by the beauty of this part of the country. I think my little boat and I are going to be very happy here. I'll be keeping an eye out for other M boats in the Portland/Vancouver area. Fair Winds Mark E M17 F/D #103 AMY

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Apr '09

29 Apr '09

Chads idea of the checkbook is the easiest unless...... I used to be the guy that people 'wrote the check' to. Stripped bottoms for a couple of decades. If you can find someone who will plastic media blast or soda blast the boat while you watch to make sure they don't get overly aggressive would be a good idea. Ask them to show you some examples of their work. If I were to apply anti-fouling to the bottom of my 17 I would de-wax, sand, apply Interlux 2000/2001 barrier coat to proper thickness, sand the bottom (barrier coat) smooth and apply VC-17 -best description I found is at this link - _http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=2325_ (http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=2325) This is THE easiest to apply,and maintain antifouling you can use. We rolled primarily, and sprayed keel trunks etc. (Prevail sprayer for small areas) 2-3 coats can be applied in 2 hours max (it gets hot here and dry) Very easy to repaint and you don't get much 'build-up' as the years go on. Read the application instructions, It is easy. Cons- Limited color palette Not the strongest anti-fouling but it is easy and inexpensive to redo - really easy! I know - it sounds like I am selling the stuff but NFIW just an excellent product for trailerable boat bottoms - we also used it on wet boats and everyone was happy - small check to the boat guy to maintain - As a bonus it is also very attractive paint if you can call any anti-fouling paint good lookin' = check out the copper color on a dark hull! Sean Mulligan may chime in here as I believe he runs with VC-17(?) Once it is applied properly - piece of cake forward. Sorry for the rant - but I hate to see people get stuck with thick chunky gobs of poison paint on the bottom of a Wrinkle Boat. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO M-17 # 316a "LB/GF" 'that ain't bad gelcoat - it's patina!' In a message dated 4/29/2009 9:11:34 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cparrish(a)fafnirnet.net writes: Technically the easiest method would be to take it to a local boatyard and break out the checkbook. :-) I have removed ablative bottom paint off of a ranger 23 using a random orbital sander, good respirator and a paint suit with hood. It really is a messy job. I looked at some of the chemical peel methods and watched the progress of a guy trying to use this method on his boat and decided that it wasn't really any easier then sanding since he had to do quite a bit of that anyway. On the montgomery boats with the lapstrake I imagine makes removal even more difficult. There are places that will soda blast, (like sandblasting only using baking soda) which seems to work well, the soda is a lot easier on the fiberglass then sandblasting would be. This to me seems like an easier method then sanding and is probably the route I will take when it comes time to do the bottom of my monty followed by an epoxy barrier coat. --Chad On Apr 29, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Arnold Sharpe wrote: > Ditto to this question! I want to take the ablative bottom paint > off "Little Breeze" and replace it with hard ...what is the easiest > method? Arnold > On Apr 29, 2009, at 5:48 AM, JDavies104(a)aol.com wrote: > >> John, >> >> I also have ablative bottom paint on my boat put on by the previous >> owner >> who kept her in salt water. How are you removing the paint on >> your boat? >> I'd be interested in your experience, since removing the bottom >> paint is on >> my to-do list (though not at the top of the list). My boat is now >> dry-sailed, so I don't need the anti-fouling protection. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rick >> M-17 #633 Lynne L >> >> >> ************** >> Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from >> anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! >> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003 >> ) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol… click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv)

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