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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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M15 Q2?
by Doug Kelch 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

I bouncing about the Internet today I came accross this mention of an M15 cruising the SF Bay area in 2004 - http://www.svguenevere.com/2004/sep.html "One thing I found very interesting about our passage to Half Moon Bay was that we had the company, sort of, of two other boats. As we were coming out of the San Francisco bay, a small Montgomery sailboat was also heading out. I took a photo of him, and one back at the bridge as our last view of the Golden Gate. When we got here to Half Moon bay we settled in. After our early dinner I looked over and there was that same small Montgomery sailboat! I went over and talked to him. It is 15 feet long. And we thought we were on a small boat! His name is Richard and the boat is named Q2. He had no autopilot/self steering/generator etc…He said his goal this year was ONLY Monterey. Last year he sailed it all the way to Oxnard! From San Francisco!! " GO Q2 :-)

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Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?
by treed＠communitycareinc.com 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

Thanks Ron...look forward to seeing in Florida..Tony E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? Date: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:57 am Size: 2K To: Montgomery boats mailing list <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Tony, There is a section of the Texas 200 forum dedicated to the Florida 120. If you go to the "Who is coming" section, you can put a message on there for whatever category you plan to participate in. They have split the event accoridng to how much you will use a motor. I signed up for Category 2 "motor contengency". Ron (Whitebeard) M17 #14, Griselda Lake Livingston, Texas > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> From: treed(a)communitycareinc.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:12:00 -0700> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?> > Ron..where do you sign up for the Florida 120...Thanks, Tony> > E. Tony Reed> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com>> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?> Date: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:19 pm> Size: 1K> To: Montgomery boats mailing list <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > I am signed up for both the Texas 200 and the Florida 120. I would love to see another Monty or two there.> > Ron (Whitebeard)> M17 #14, Griselda> Lake Livingston, Texas> > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800> From: fshagan(a)roadrunner.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?> > I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving mess-about" > this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm> > Anyone else planning to attend?> > ___________________ ____________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!> _________________________________________________________________> Windows LiveÂ: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!> > --- message truncated ---> > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _________________________________________________________________ Windows LiveÂ HotmailÂ®:Âmore than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explor… _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! --- message truncated ---

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Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?
by treed＠communitycareinc.com 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

Ron..where do you sign up for the Florida 120...Thanks, Tony E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? Date: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:19 pm Size: 1K To: Montgomery boats mailing list <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> I am signed up for both the Texas 200 and the Florida 120. I would love to see another Monty or two there. Ron (Whitebeard) M17 #14, Griselda Lake Livingston, Texas > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800> From: fshagan(a)roadrunner.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?> > I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving mess-about" > this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm> > Anyone else planning to attend?> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _________________________________________________________________ Windows LiveÂ: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! --- message truncated ---

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 71, Issue 20
by Randy Watkins 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

Hello from Randy W. M15 "Becca Anne" Bryan Tx I did part of the Texas 200 last year with another related group. We did a shorter set of this, Rockport-anchorage-SeaDrift, Matagorda I, Port O'Conner, same dates and we met up at Matagorda Island and Port O'Conner on to the end of the event. I'll probably do the same event this year. There will be 2 or 3 M-boats. Florida 120- sounds interesting. RW ---------------------------------------- > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 71, Issue 20 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:08:49 -0700 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Texas 200 Participation? (Frank Hagan) > 2. Re: Texas 200 Participation? (Ronnie Keeler) > 3. Re: Texas 200 Participation? (saltm17(a)aol.com) > 4. Re: Texas 200 Participation? (Ronnie Keeler) > 5. Racing (saltm17(a)aol.com) > 6. Re: Racing (W David Scobie) > 7. Re: Texas 200 Participation? (Doug Kelch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800 > From: Frank Hagan > Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving mess-about" > this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm > > Anyone else planning to attend? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:19:15 +0000 > From: Ronnie Keeler > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > To: Montgomery boats mailing list > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > I am signed up for both the Texas 200 and the Florida 120. I would love to see another Monty or two there. > > Ron (Whitebeard) > M17 #14, Griselda > Lake Livingston, Texas > >> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800> From: fshagan(a)roadrunner.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?>> I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving mess-about"> this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm>> Anyone else planning to attend?>> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:11:42 -0500 > From: saltm17(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Is there a web site for the Florida 120? > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronnie Keeler > To: Montgomery boats mailing list > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 7:19 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > > > > > am signed up for both the Texas 200 and the Florida 120. I would love to see > nother Monty or two there. > > on (Whitebeard) > 17 #14, Griselda > ake Livingston, Texas > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800> From: fshagan(a)roadrunner.com> To: > ontgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200 > articipation?>> I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving > ess-about"> this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm>> Anyone else planning > o attend?>> _______________________________________________> > ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>> > emember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > ________________________________________________________________ > indows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > ttp://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009 > ______________________________________________ > ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:14:58 +0000 > From: Ronnie Keeler > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > To: Montgomery boats mailing list > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > John, > > There is a website for the florida 120. You can search for it or use the link at the top right of the Texas 200 home page. > > Ron (Whitebeard) > M17 #14, Griselda > Lake Livingston, Texas. > >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:11:42 -0500> From: saltm17(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?>> Is there a web site for the Florida 120?>> John>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Ronnie Keeler> To: Montgomery boats mailing list> Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 7:19 pm> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?>>>>> am signed up for both the Texas 200 and the Florida 120. I would love to see> nother Monty or two there.>> on (Whitebeard)> 17 #14, Griselda> ake Livingston, Texas>> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800> From: fshagan(a)roadrunner.com> To:> ontgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200> articipation?>> I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving> ess-about"> this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm>> Anyone else planning> o attend?>> _______________________________________________>> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>>> emember, there is no privacy on the Internet!> ________________________________________________________________> indows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect.> ttp://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009> ______________________________________________> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!>> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=T… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:45:14 -0500 > From: saltm17(a)aol.com > Subject: M_Boats: Racing > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I posted this on the trailer sailor site but it is probably more appropriate to post it here. > > John > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:35:37 -0800 (PST) > From: W David Scobie > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Racing > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > great showing john!? Mboats ... the BMW of the trailer sailers! > ? > ? > dave scobie > M15 #288 - SCRED > visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, saltm17(a)aol.com wrote: > > > I posted this on the trailer sailor site but it is probably more appropriate to > post it here. > > John > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:08:43 -0800 (PST) > From: Doug Kelch > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > It is combined with the Texas 200 site. > >>From the Small Craft Advisor blog: > > > http://www.smallcraftadvisor.com/our-blog/Florida-120.html > > > > The Florida 120 is set for May 14, 15, 16, and 17, 2009. > > > > The 120 starts it the fabled and funky Pirates Cove, just outside > > Josephine, Alabama and goes 15 miles to Sand Island for an overnight > > stop. Day two is a 38 mile sail to an anchorage in Santa Rosa Sound > > for another overnighter, and Day three heads to Navarre. Day four is a > > 15 mile sail back to a little awards get together and so-long friends > > party. > > Scott Widmier has all the skinny over on the Texas 200 site > > > > Thanks > > > > Doug Kelch > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, saltm17(a)aol.com wrote: > From: saltm17(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:11 PM > > Is there a web site for the Florida 120? > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronnie Keeler > To: Montgomery boats mailing list > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 7:19 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? > > > > > am signed up for both the Texas 200 and the Florida 120. I would love to see > nother Monty or two there. > > on (Whitebeard) > 17 #14, Griselda > ake Livingston, Texas > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800> From: fshagan(a)roadrunner.com> To: > > ontgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200 > articipation?>> I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 > "moving > ess-about"> this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm>> Anyone > else planning > o attend?>> _______________________________________________> > ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>> > emember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > ________________________________________________________________ > indows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > ttp://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009 > ______________________________________________ > ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 71, Issue 20 > ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_how…

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Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation?
by treed＠communitycareinc.com 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

Doug..what is the sign up procedure for Flordia? Thanks Tony E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:08 am Size: 2K To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> It is combined with the Texas 200 site. >From the Small Craft Advisor blog: http://www.smallcraftadvisor.com/our-blog/Florida-120.html The Florida 120 is set for May 14, 15, 16, and 17, 2009. The 120 starts it the fabled and funky Pirates Cove, just outside Josephine, Alabama and goes 15 miles to Sand Island for an overnight stop. Day two is a 38 mile sail to an anchorage in Santa Rosa Sound for another overnighter, and Day three heads to Navarre. Day four is a 15 mile sail back to a little awards get together and so-long friends party. Scott Widmier has all the skinny over on the Texas 200 site Thanks Doug Kelch --- On Sat, 1/24/09, saltm17(a)aol.com <saltm17(a)aol.com> wrote: From: saltm17(a)aol.com <saltm17(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:11 PM Is there a web site for the Florida 120? John -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com> To: Montgomery boats mailing list <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 7:19 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texas 200 Participation? am signed up for both the Texas 200 and the Florida 120. I would love to see nother Monty or two there. on (Whitebeard) 17 #14, Griselda ake Livingston, Texas Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:54:32 -0800> From: fshagan(a)roadrunner.com> To: ontgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Texas 200 articipation?> > I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving ess-about" > this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm> > Anyone else planning o attend?> > _______________________________________________> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > emember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ________________________________________________________________ indows LiveÂ: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. ttp://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009 ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --- message truncated ---

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Texas 200 Participation?
by Frank Hagan 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

I see a few Montgomerys signed up for the Texas 200 "moving mess-about" this June. http://www.texas200.com/who.htm Anyone else planning to attend?

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Racing
by saltm17＠aol.com 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

I posted this on the trailer sailor site but it is probably more appropriate to post it here. John

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Re: M_Boats: Boat Cover
by Larry E Yake 24 Jan '09

24 Jan '09

http://www.sailorstailor.com/categories.asp I believe this is the link you're talking about. On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:19:39 -0500 "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> writes: > Not too long ago someone posted the website of a company that makes > tailor > made covers for the M-17's but I have lost the address. Could that > kind and > caring person refresh my memory. > > Thanks, > Joe > Seafrog M17 651 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > ____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2TDvbPzuFLJGtshQM7mBLRUy2…

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M17 interior space
by JENNIFER GARCIA 23 Jan '09

23 Jan '09

After a long fruitless search for a 17 in my area, I hope the membersm of the list can help answer my question regarding interior space for multi-day outings. Better would be any photos of 6'plus owners on the v-berth and sitting below. Can anyone help? Thanks, Mike

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