September 2007 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

new member
by Tom Jenkins 22 Dec '07

22 Dec '07

Hello members: I bought M17 hull number 626 (2004) in late winter, and still need more time to bring it back to "new" before taking it out. I think there is a picture of the finished boat on Bob Eeg's website (taken at the factory in '04, with tanbark sails). Now it has a roller-furling jib, and I bought an Idasailor kickup rudder to try it out. The complete electrical system might have been unnecessary for my purposes, but it is pretty slick. I live in June Lake, which is high up in the eastern Sierra Nevada of California, and I want to sail in the local lakes to start, but I have designs on some Colorado River lakes (Powell, Mead, Havasu), Puget Sound, the Texas and Florida gulf coasts, and who knows what other great American waters. I would also like to return to Bahia Magdelena and other localities in Baja California and along the Mexican mainland. I have had a Nor'Sea 27 forever, but I wanted something more agile to hit small lakes than the 27, but more capable than my venerable gaff-rigged WW Potter. I certainly look forward to interacting with the group. Tom Jenkins Scintilla #626

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Re: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 01 Oct '07

01 Oct '07

J boats are excellent but they are not in the 15-17 foot range, just interested in what I might have missed when I got a M17 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

FW If the M boats don't meet the requirements for the gold standard in small boat (15 & 17) what boats in your opinion set the standard. Just wondering Gary Valetti M17 Bellerin ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Cabin Heater.....
by Tim Diebert 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

"Thanks for this posting. Very timely. I'm hoping to get another month of sailing up here in the northwest, but nights in the 30's and days in the 50's make it pretty chilly. Looking forward to seeing the details on the Sterno heater you're building." > Ditto here. Larry and I share similar weather. I went out for a day sail yesterday and ended up spending the night on the boat. Rain, wind and cold. A lumpy night again. (I pick anchorages about as well as grocery store line ups) As someone mentioned (sorry can't remember who...), a good sleeping bag goes a long way to make nights comfortable. I have a coupla good bags and have no trouble staying warm wilst sleeping.(they both live on the boat) It is the evenings inside reading and listening to radio where a wee heater would be a treat. So waiting on John to give up the secret plans for the bean warmer heater. The reason I stayed out......a big wind came up going in my direction. I covered 10 miles faster than I have ever done before in the 17. It was too nice to give up so I sailed until it got too dark (it was raining as well) to find somewhere to hook up. I sailed for an hour over 6 knots and had sustained speeds of over 7. My gps peaked at 7.8 (must have surfed that one) 155 alone no main, board up, very broad reach in perfect conditions...small waves and a butt load of wind. Great fun. Best part was the wind reversed direction over night (which accounted for the crap nights sleep) and I was treated to similar ride home, though not quite as fast. Not often I get to slide downhill round trip. It is usually the other way around. ~:0) Tim Diebert M17 PUFF Kelowna BC.....about 3 1/2 hours from Deer Park.

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Check out Montgomery 17, 1974, Carlsbad, New Mexico, $5, 500
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

_Click here: Montgomery 17, 1974, Carlsbad, New Mexico, $5,500_ (http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery17g.html) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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M15 on Craigslist SanFran area
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

Ad states the following: 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is worth. here's the address of the ad: _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) There are pictures on the ad. Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth, less we all go through that painful experience again! lol Sean M23 Dauntless ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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RE: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area
by Bob Eeg 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

Bill Ask anyone from the old days what they considered the Gold Standard and the Montgomery line of boats that Jerry built would be on top of the list. While Potter, Catalina and those other crappy boats that are long out of business were being delivered with serious flaws and equippment failures (cheap, flimsy, pop-riveted, leaky decks, serious cracks and hords of plastic) Jerry was building boats the proper-way. Strong, weatherly, safe, self-righting, fantastic laminating, no cracks, proper rigging, excellent woodwork, stainless fasteners and fittings. I've seem some of his boats that after 25 years still look 2 years old. Quality and sailing performance is always worth the money. $4000 for a pristine M_15 is a steal..heck, the trailer alone is worth $1200. It's worth buying just so you could sit in it and have dinner while it's in the garage for the winter. Fair winds Bob Eeg -----Original Message----- >From: bill safford <free_willy62(a)hotmail.com> >Sent: Sep 28, 2007 4:15 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area > > > >"Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard. > >Cheers> From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:47:56 -0400> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > Ad states the following:> > 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original > sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and > cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. > New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. > > Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. > > Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. > > Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. > > Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is > worth. > > here's the address of the ad:> > _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ > (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) > > There are pictures on the ad.> > Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth, less we > all go through that painful experience again! lol> > > Sean> M23 Dauntless> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >_________________________________________________________________ >Live Search: New search found >http://get.live.com/search/overview >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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RE: M_Boats: pre-purchase advise
by Bob Eeg 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

I agree with my friend Clarence. The 17 is better suited for weight aft than the 15. And the jackline padeyes are commonly installed for safety at sea. (In addition to wearing a proper vest). Another option to consider is a CDI-FF2 furler; rolling a 135% genny. Properly set up this really helps in cockpit management for singlehanding or short handed sailing. And since the Montgomery line of boats has always been the Gold Standard; the stainless folding boarding ladder is standard equipment. Fair winds Bob Eeg -----Original Message----- >From: "Clarence K. Andrews" <n9ca(a)comcast.net> >Sent: Sep 29, 2007 7:06 PM >To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: M_Boats: pre-purchase advise > >Which ever craft you buy, you should seriously consider having Bob Eeg >install an anchor eye-bolt in the cockpit and on the bow in order to attach >jack-lines that can be strung outside the stays. Then each of you use a >harness and tether. Also, have him install an aft boarding ladder. >Otherwise, a man overboard situation could be life-threatening. Six hundred >pounds in the cockpit may be a problem in an M15. Someone like Doug Kelch, >who is very familiar with the performance of the M15 coud give informed >comments on the effect of that passenger weight. > >-----Original Message----- >From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Holcomb >Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 8:17 PM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: pre-purchase advise > >I am trying to decide between the M15 and M17. One issue is the weight my >wife and I will add into the sailing equation. We are both 300lbs each. Does >this make a difference in what to purchase. Suggestions please. > >Mark Holcomb, M.A. >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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1977 M17 #232 - For Sale in San Diego
by Chris Good 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

I bought this boat about 3 years ago from Bob Eeg. Bob acquired it from the previous (I believe original) owner who's health decline triggered his selling it. Bob gave this boat a good work over, performed needed maintenance, replaced parts, etc. This has been a great boat for us and we absolutely love it. After sailing it for 3 years we have opted to put a boat on a mooring year round. And because we still have our first sailboat, a trailerable Lido 14, we are selling the M17. I put a for sale sign on the boat this summer, and posted it online with an asking price of $6,300. Several interested persons contacted me, some came by to take a look, but no buyer yet. I spent most of the summer sailing the other boat, playing, hosting out of town guests, pretty much everything but worrying about selling the boat. I figure the right person will come along at the right time, and then it will have a happy new home. I started receiving this listserve even before I bought my M17. I saw an M15 launch here in San Diego the summer before, immediately fell in love, then found this listserve. After reading the passionate dialogue from Montgomery owners I knew I was onto something good, so I bought the M17 from Bob the following year. The emails from this listserve hit a folder in my inbox then I go through a bunch all at once. I read most all of them, and pick up a lot of good tips from you all. Since I did not sail this boat this summer, I got behind on reading the emails. Boy was I surprised today to read the recent thread about Montogomery boats initiated by freewilly. As a Montgomery loyalist of course I agree with the concensus how great these boats are. If you are interested in becoming the next owner of this fine boat please contact me. Until then I will remain a faithful steward of this one. Of course, price is negotiable. If you want to own this boat we will come to agreement. I want this boat to have an owner who will sail her and enjoy her. This is a great boat and I look forward to handing her off to the next owner. Chris Good M17 #232, 1977 Chica Buena

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pre-purchase advise
by Mark Holcomb 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

I am trying to decide between the M15 and M17. One issue is the weight my wife and I will add into the sailing equation. We are both 300lbs each. Does this make a difference in what to purchase. Suggestions please. Mark Holcomb, M.A.

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