August 2007 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

new member
by Tom Jenkins 22 Dec '07

22 Dec '07

Hello members: I bought M17 hull number 626 (2004) in late winter, and still need more time to bring it back to "new" before taking it out. I think there is a picture of the finished boat on Bob Eeg's website (taken at the factory in '04, with tanbark sails). Now it has a roller-furling jib, and I bought an Idasailor kickup rudder to try it out. The complete electrical system might have been unnecessary for my purposes, but it is pretty slick. I live in June Lake, which is high up in the eastern Sierra Nevada of California, and I want to sail in the local lakes to start, but I have designs on some Colorado River lakes (Powell, Mead, Havasu), Puget Sound, the Texas and Florida gulf coasts, and who knows what other great American waters. I would also like to return to Bahia Magdelena and other localities in Baja California and along the Mexican mainland. I have had a Nor'Sea 27 forever, but I wanted something more agile to hit small lakes than the 27, but more capable than my venerable gaff-rigged WW Potter. I certainly look forward to interacting with the group. Tom Jenkins Scintilla #626

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Compass M-15
by Jim Sadler 11 Sep '07

11 Sep '07

What are you skippers using for a compass? Are you mounting it flush next to the companion way? How is it illuminated? Thanks Captain Jim Sadler Skipper Sailing vessel Pelican M-15

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Prop pitch
by chbenneck＠juno.com 05 Sep '07

05 Sep '07

Hi Captain Jim, My Honda 2 HP moved my old M15 at hull speed at about 2/3rds throttle. Once I also used it to move an M17, with 5 adults in the cockpit, up the Thames river against the outgoing tide. Again, no problem. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: M17 for sale in VA
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 03 Sep '07

03 Sep '07

Brandon, Can you please send info on your Kingfisher 22 to me? Thanks, Bill wcpritchett at aol dot com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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M17 for sale in VA
by Doug Kelch 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

this is from Messing about in boats. Montgomery 17 ''77, clean in god working orders. new main and working jib by Dabbler Sails; new Yamaha 4 hp; hull and topsides recently painted; serviceable trailer w/recent tires and bearing buddies. $6500 firm. John Hohnson, Colonial Beach, BA on the Potomac 804-224-1538, jajohncb(a)verizon.net --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.

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Re: M_Boats: worst conditions to take an m15
by chbenneck＠juno.com 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

Hi gang, May I add..... Not only does the Captain have to be experienced - been there, .....done that before, but; the ship has to be properly prepared for heavy weather sailing as well. - dogged down sail lockers with gaskets under the lids so that lockers can't open, and water can't get in if you have a knockdown - main companionway hatch also securely fastened so that it can't slide open. (with hatch boards in place) - items in cabin properly stowed so that they can't go flying if the boat is knocked flat - proper life jackets (automatically inflatable) with safety lines and carabiners fastened to a very secure point Oh, and there is a big difference in being out in regular ocean waves, or if you are in a highly confused area of sea caused by the confluence of two tidal flows. ...but this is where the Captain's knowledge and skill enters the picture. What is a safe but uncomfortable passage for the experienced and prepared Captain and crew can be a Mayday situation for a beginning sailor. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Sail stop
by chbenneck＠juno.com 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

Hi Joe, Sail stops are a form of cylindrical grasshopper. When one drops on deck, it immediately makes a big leap into the next available body of water. Now, you can either keep replacing sail stops; keeping spares on hand for when they hop, or, .... Use a piece of 1/4" bungee cord wrapped twice around the mast and tied in a square knot. It keeps the main sail slugs in place; is easily moveable; is almost instantly removable; and costs only a fraction of what the grasshopper / sail stops cost.... Connie

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Re: M_Boats: M17 for sale in VA
by Brandon McClintock 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

Hi Doug, Thanks for the tip. I so very much wish I had picked up an M17 in VA instead of a Kingfisher 22 in MD. That's where I've just returned from with the K22 in tow. Turns out that my situation changed drastically and now am having to sell both boats - Cal 2-24 & the K22. I have an ad for the K22 coming out in Messing About In Boats so I'm hoping someone out there will find it appealing. Brandon ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:18:39 AM PDT From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 for sale in VA this is from Messing about in boats. Montgomery 17 ''77, clean in god working orders. new main and working jib by Dabbler Sails; new Yamaha 4 hp; hull and topsides recently painted; serviceable trailer w/recent tires and bearing buddies. $6500 firm. John Hohnson, Colonial Beach, BA on the Potomac 804-224-1538, jajohncb(a)verizon.net --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Looking to meet an M17 owner in my neighborhood
by Brandon McClintock 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

Hi Jeff, Thanks for the response. Perhaps I can swing by your neighborhood at some time when it's convenient for you. This weekend we have guests and I plan to take them sailing on the Bay in the Cal. But I'd definitely like to get together with you to learn about the M17 and what kinds of rigging arrangements can be done for singlehanding. If you know of anyone looking to swap and M17 for a boat or two, please pass them my way. Thanks. Brandon ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:46:12 AM PDT From: Jeff Royce <jeffroyce(a)sbcglobal.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Looking to meet an M17 owner in my neighborhood Hi Brandon, My name is Jeff and i live in Cameron Park... you are welcome to look over my M-17. She is 1982 vintage and is in good condition. I am slowwwwwwly updating her (new rudder, new standing rigging, new motor, next will be new sails purchased from Mr. Tosh). She is not for sale at this time (although anything is for sale for the right price) but you are welcome to poke around her and perhaps we can even set up an expedition of sorts in the future. I will call you. Jeff M-17 #336 Brandon McClintock <brandonmcc(a)usa.net> wrote: I'm not quite sure how this works but I am interested in knowing if there are any M17 owners in the Sacramento area who would be willing to show me their boat. For a number of reasons I've decided to explore the world of trailer sailing. The M17 seems to be a truly fine boat for this but I have not actually seen one up close and personal. I live in Woodland and would enjoy meeting anyone who could offer advice / suggestions on the boat's characteristics. I now own (and am desperately trying to sell) both a Cal 2-24 (berthed in Richmond) and a Kingfisher 22 " SHANTI " which comes on her own trailer. Looking forward to hearing from anyone who cares to respond. Brandon McClintock 530-662-0602 / 530-908-1788 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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First M17 sail
by Richard Everett 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

We took our M17 #635 out for it's first sail by us yesterday. I must say I am very pleased with the results, although we were maybe a bit ambitious for our first time out in it. First we rigged the boat (about 1.5 hours, but we were trying to make sure everthing was done correctly and also had no instructions) at the Shilshole parking lot. We didn't get in the water until around 2:30pm: http://www.skyko.com/Montgomery/First/rigged.jpg Next we eased her in the water at the public boat ramps (very very nice ramps and parking, $5 ramp fee): http://www.skyko.com/Montgomery/First/boatramp.jpg Note how smart we were to go on a tuesday...gorgeous day and practically nobody at the ramps. We motored out using the little 2.5hp yamaha 4 stroke (which does quite well, more than 5 knots full throttle) just far enough to put up the main and 110% jib. Winds were mild, probably right around the forecast 5 to 10 knots, sunshine and around 76 degrees. We sailed out in front of Shilshole for a few minutes getting used to how the M17 handles, then we decided what the hey and set our sights for Elliot bay. The M17 seemed to perform well even in the light winds, and we probably averaged around 4 to 5 knots getting around the point off of Discovery park (don't have my charts in front of me so can't say the name). An anchored, empty container ship was guarding the mouth of Elliot bay but we snuck by her: http://www.skyko.com/Montgomery/First/container.jpg Coming up to the downtown Seattle waterfront on this beautiful day we started wishing there was a way to make money doing this: http://www.skyko.com/Montgomery/First/seattlenear.jpg The wind was coming just about parallel to the waterfront so I went wing and wing doing around 5 knots toward Pier 70: http://www.skyko.com/Montgomery/First/wingandwing.jpg It actually looks a bit better than that, but it is hard to hold the tiller and the cell phone camera at the same time. Note this is a good time to ask, is the foot of the mainsail supposed to stay in the slot in the boom arm? My wife asked, and I just was not quite sure. The rope bead along the foot just doesn't seem thick enough to ride in the groove on the boom... We got about 100 yards from Pier 70 and then realized oh crap we have to sail back :-) The time was about 6pm. I had to tack back and forth on a close reach all the way back to the point off Discovery park, which took over an hour...fairly decent wind, might have been fighting a little current. Right around the point we caught some really nice wind and managed to pull out a respectable 6.5 knots for quite some distance. I was quite pleased...it is always the most fun for me when the boat heels over a good deal and you get the wind in your face. It makes you feel like you are really moving unlike going on a run, where you have to check the gps or the water foam to assure yourself that you are not dead stopped. Anyway, we got back safely to Shilshole marina at around 7:45pm, having never touched the motor once except for launch. A friendly? sea lion was waiting for us in the open jail cell: http://www.skyko.com/Montgomery/First/sealion.jpg All in all, a pretty good first day on the M17. Rick

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