August 2003 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Bethel Is to SF Trip
by Jeff Grudin 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

I posted some photo's of my recent trip on my M23 from Bethel Island, CA to San Francisco, Well sort of. If any is interested in seeing the trip, they are located at: http://www.vdbs.com/~grudin/aug03/Bethel%20Island%20SF%20Run.html 73 de AC6KW <mailto:jeff@grudin.net> Jeff Grudin, DVM Web Add: http://www.grudin.net Ocean Animal Clinic / Cat Clinic of Santa Cruz - Santa Cruz, California Montgomery 23 Hull #072 Norcal QRP * QRP-L * ARS * AR Qrp

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New owner
by Dusty Parsons 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Hello, my name is Dusty Lane, I live in Kodiak, Alaska. I bought a 15 foot Montgomery sailboat this spring from Sailing, Inc. in Seward, Alaska - I brought it over here on the Ferry (it is on a trailer). My boat is a 1985 and comes with complete rigging, sails and a 2 hp outboard. It is my first sailboat, and I hope to hear from other owners about advice on rigging, sailing, repairs, general tips, etc. I grew up on Kodiak Island, commercial fishing with my family for a living(mostly seining and longlining), and I now work for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game(talk about role-reversal)... A 15 foot boat is so small! and a 2 hp outboard! But from all I've read, Montgomerys are sturdy little boats, and it seems a great boat to learn on(I will be a singlhander). I love the shallow draft as well. Please send me your suggestions, tips, stories,etc! I wait to hear from you sailors out there:) -Dusty _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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m15 trailer
by bobjudy2＠comcast.net 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Hi, I am just getting back on the list after a long absence, so this question may have already been addressed-sorry if so. Does anyone have a Pacific Trailer for their M15? How do you like it? Have you seen a better one? Would you buy another? I am located on the left coast so I am only considering sources near San Francisco or LA. My old Trailrite is turning to rust and is beyond salvage. Bob Eeg uses Pacific Trailers and seems happy with them, but I would like to know what others think. Thanks, Bob Becker M15 #208 Castro Valley, CA

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Re: M_Boats: New owner
by s.mcclellan＠comcast.net 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Gosh, Dusty, I bet a whole lot of Montgomery owners down here in the lower 48 are salivating at the thought of sailing those Alaskan waters. You sound like a natural born sailor. You'll do fine with the Monty 15. What do you want to know? You've come to the right place. There are a heck of alot of people here who know more than I do. I've been sailing an M15 on the choppy waters of Lake Michigan for a couple of years now. But I was a perfect neophyte when I first got it. So maybe I can share the clue-less sailors point of view if you need it. What body of water will you be sailing on? (forgive a Chicagoan's ignorance of Alaskan geography -- I don't really know where Seward is.) Anyway, welcome to the best sailor's group on the internet! (or on the water, for that matter) -- Steve McClellan~~M15~#152~~Chicago

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Re: M_Boats: Priest Lake Sighting
by Jslubliner＠aol.com 27 Aug '03

27 Aug '03

We were recently in Priest Lake, ID and took a powerboat ride. While at a restaurant having a drink, we noticed a very nice M-15 at the dock. It looked good. Belong to anyone on the list? John Lubliner Coyote Tucson

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Re: M_Boats: Bow Chocks
by Michael L Bowden 27 Aug '03

27 Aug '03

Hey Tod, I'm looking for some chocks for my M23. Do you wish to get ride of your E-Bay purchase? Thanks, Bones ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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Trip Report: M-17 sail to Catalina Island
by John Fleming 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

I just completed a trip over to Catalina on my M-17 "Star Cross'd". My first long trip with a purpose. My son was going to be with his Boy Scout troop at Emerald Bay, so rather than paying for the normal Catalina Flyer, I resolved to sail over there. I would be staying the week also as an assistant Scoutmaster. We got away on Sunday at 6:45 AM, motoring out of Marina Del Rey. The sea was windless with light glassy swells, no wind chop, so we had to motor for several hours. I was concerned about my fuel consumption, never having used my 4 HP Johnson two-stroke for actually getting somewhere, so I kept it at 50% power and we went about 3.5 knots. Eventually a light breeze came up, and we were close-hauled. As the day progressed, the breeze increased. About 11 AM, I was able to turn off the motor for good. Somewhere past the Palos Verdes peninsula, about 12 PM, with the boat doing 5+ knots in the increasing swell, chop, and wind, I had to go forward and pull down the 150% genoa and put up the working jib. Many thanks to my 13 yr old son, who can now reliably steer the boat while I do the sailhandling. I had installed jacklines, and we wore harnesses, but that's scant comfort when I was up there wedged into the pulpit, with a pitching and heaving bow, with 3000 ft of water underneath in the San Pedro Channel. How I wished I had installed lifelines. The sail change lasted us for a while, but by 1:30 PM, with half the Channel crossed, I tucked in the first reef on the main. As we approached Emerald Bay, the sea, whitecaps, and wind increased, along with the boat motion. We were doing 5.2 knots, and remembering the old maxim, "If you're wondering if you should reef, you should", I tucked in the second reef. First time ever. With one child in the boat, and a wife and daughter at home, I played it safe. I've never been in such seas before, on any sailboat, and not knowing know tender or tough Star Cross'd was in such conditions, I resolved to keep the boat motion below my anxiety level. Even so, we were still doing 5.2 knots (measured by GPS). I tried to keep a brave and confident face for my son. He seemed unconcerned, I hope because he had confidence in me. I kept telling him that this wind and sea was caused by the wind piling up and pouring around the West End of Catalina Island, and that as we got closer, it would diminish. Even so, I was mentally getting ready to go forward and pull down the jib, and put up the 95% jib stored below. It wasn't until we were practically upon Emerald Bay, 200 yds out, in the shadow of Arrow Point and Howland's Point, that the sea and wind calmed. Well, whew, that was fun, and we were soon resting on a mooring and switching to Scout mode, ferrying our stuff off the boat. Total crossing time 8 hrs 15 minutes, for 30 nautical miles, from first motion to picking up the mooring. On the following Saturday, the return trip was very pleasant. We were away later, at 9:30 AM. It was a cool, bright and sunny day, very clear, with 25 nm visibility, an absolutely perfect day for sailing. No need for GPS today, no fog worries, just keep it on a 348 deg heading and we'll be home. As soon as we were out of the bay, I could turn off the motor, and we did 4+ knots on a full main and the jib. The sea was relatively calm, and we quickly, in several hours, scooted across the San Pedro Channel. At first the wind was strong, but as we got farther from Catalina, the wind eased a bit, confirming my theory. I had to tack for about 10 minutes to let a big freighter pass in front of me. We saw several dolphins surface to check us out, but I guess we didn't have anything of interest to them (not going fast enough to ride our bow waves, I guess), so they vanished beneath the waves. As we passed the Palos Verdes peninsula, the winds and seas increased. We were more on a broad reach now, but the winds were never as strong as the outgoing leg, so I stifled my doubts and resolved to keep the main up and get used to this rolly motion, going sideways to the swells. Past Palos Verdes, the wind eased so much that I eventually was forced to start motor-sailing. But within about ten minutes, we were back up over 5 knots, so I turned it off and let Boreas do his magic. One thing I noticed. On a broad reach, with the northwest swells sideways to the boat, occasionally pounding of the hull on the back side of a swell, the occasional bumping of the centerboard in its trunk, sailing a Montgomery is not a quiet experience. My son managed to sleep a good portion of this in the cabin, but eventually it was too much even for him, and he came out to nap on the cockpit seat. As we drew closer to MDR, the wind and seas kept increasing, but we were so close that I just let it be and let the boat do its thing. Even so, they were never as strong as the trip over to Catalina. We were tied up at the launch ramp at 5:20 PM, just a little under 8 hours. Total fuel burn of less than two gallons for less than 5 hours of motoring. Woo-hoo, my first coastal cruise was successfully completed. As soon as I get the film developed, I'll scan in the pictures and post them here. Many thanks to Lyle Hess and Jerry Montgomery for the fabulous M-17, that brought my son and I safely to Catalina and back. (One other note: If you ignore the Marina and mooring fussing, it's clear to me that a M-17 with good winds is capable of 100 nm in 24 hours. I suppose that if I had launched from San Pedro instead of MDR, the trip would have been more like 5-6 hours, with a 20+ nm distance. Maybe that's how I'll get the wife and daughter to go next time. We'll sail to Avalon for a long weekend.) Regards, John Fleming '82 M-17: #357, "Star Cross'd"

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Re: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

In a message dated 8/18/03 4:56:24 PM, gunsblazing(a)charter.net writes: >Has anyone replaced their hatchboards and toerails for an M15? Where did >you find the replacements? > >Thanks, > >Jesse Jesse, I made replacement solid teak boards (not teak ply) for my M15. I used 3/4" stock and rabbetted the edges to fit the 3/8" slots. The thicker boards, while heavier, are more stable (don't warp), keep tight joints, and look decidedly more 'yachty.' I went with three boards instead of the original two. Using my shaper table, I designed a strong joint detail that sheds water outboard with a seamless appearance. I sealed these with four coats of Cetol which, after six years still looks brand new. Having used virtually every oil, varnish, synthetic on the market, I can't see ever going back. I have not had occasion to replace the teak toe rails on my M15 (they still look new), but have done so on other boats. Mind the direction of the grain. Vertical grain (as viewed from above) has a tendency to split to the outside when you bend to the contour of the deck/hull. I usually purchase my teak at one of two following sources: 1) B. Axelrod & Co. 2630 Jennings Street San Francisco, CA 94124 (415) 621-8982 www.onlyteak.com 2) Edensaw Woods, Ltd. 211 Seton Road Port Townsend, WA 98368 (800) 745-3336 www.edensaw.com Scott M15#478 'bebe'

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Re: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
by Steve R. 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Hi Jesse, I have no need to replace the toe rails but my hatch boards are in sad shape. Mine are plain plywood which have faded and warped. The newer M-15s use a 1/2 inch hatch board. My older M-15 has a 3/8 inch hatch board. Steve E. found a source of teak faced plywood in Maryland called Harbor Sales. They have a two sided sliced teak 9.5 mm plywood that should work, item 489MSTAA.5 Link: http://www.harborsales.net/ Look under Nautical & Marine for sliced teak. The problem is, they sell plywood in 4 foot x 8 foot sheets. A sheet costs $168. They are located 500 miles from me. The overall size of the hatch is about 28 inches wide by 28 inches high. They will cut the plywood into twelve pieces of approximately 12 inches high by 32 inches wide. The cutting charge is $8. This would yield enough material to make four sets of hatch boards, with the total dimension of each set being about 32 inches wide by 36 inches high. The cost per set would be $44. Would you or anyone else like to jointly purchase a sheet of plywood? Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- message from "Jesse Tate" <gunsblazing(a)charter.net> attached:

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RE: M_Boats: Teak hatch boards and toe rail
by Smith, Tom 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Jesse, I bought unfinished 3-piece hatch boards from Bob Eeg. If I remember right, they were in the $120 range. I didn't do this, but I'd highly recommend coating them well with epoxy prior to finishing them--even though they are billed as marine grade, mine delaminated a bit at one corner (Bob warned me to water proof them thoroughly, but I apparently didn't do a good enough job.). Maybe someone on the list can remind me of the name of the fellow back east who owns or works at the sea kayak outfit. He's contributed a good bit of information regarding refinishing things... t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com [mailto:chbenneck@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:44 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Teak hatch boards and toe rail Hi Jesse, When I got my M15 home from Panama City, FL I found that the bottoms of the companionway hatch boards were totally delaminated, and badly needed replacement. I got some teak plywood and built new ones; adding a teak louver (from WEST Catalog) to the uppermost board for better ventilation. Bob Eeg can probably supply you with the milled toe rail pieces if you don't want to make them yourself. Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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