I suppose Stefan would consider as "hate" my disdain for the callous "shoot first, ask questions later" approach he chose to employ when approaching his former most ardent fans in response to the 7 or so homespun CD-Rs that were being produced and distributed amongst the members of this list 5-6 years ago. His actions were completely unnecessary and he has still not apologized for being so rude. This is not a question of hate, it's a simple matter of avoidance. I hope everyone likes the new CD. I still don't have it. If I never hear it, I'll never cultivate a desire for outtakes and live renditions 15 years from now. Myke -- -================================- Windows...It's rebootylicious!!! -================================-