Re: [math-fun] Another opportunity missed
When MIT asked me if I wanted a PhD or an ScD, I asked what the difference was. Apparently in Europe, a PhD isn't considered as good as an ScD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science I was told that falsely claiming an ScD in Germany was a felony. I never verified this. Perhaps someone here knows? At 03:15 PM 3/5/2015, Warren D Smith wrote:
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=...
claims that 50000 fake PhDs, but only 40000 real ones, are issued each year in the USA.
I confirm that. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missbrauch_von_Titeln,_Berufsbezeichnungen_und_... But this is valid for many forms of title, not only the PhD. Apparently this can go up to 1 year of prison (but I am not a lawyer). Seb On 6 March 2015 at 14:55, Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com> wrote:
When MIT asked me if I wanted a PhD or an ScD, I asked what the difference was.
Apparently in Europe, a PhD isn't considered as good as an ScD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science
I was told that falsely claiming an ScD in Germany was a felony.
I never verified this. Perhaps someone here knows?
At 03:15 PM 3/5/2015, Warren D Smith wrote:
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=...
claims that 50000 fake PhDs, but only 40000 real ones, are issued each
year in the USA.
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* Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com> [Mar 06. 2015 15:01]:
When MIT asked me if I wanted a PhD or an ScD, I asked what the difference was.
Apparently in Europe, a PhD isn't considered as good as an ScD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science
I was told that falsely claiming an ScD in Germany was a felony.
I never verified this. Perhaps someone here knows?
There is(*) a treaty between the US, Canada, Australia, Japan, and Germany (and perhaps other nations, possibly all in the EU) which makes a PhD from all those nations equivalent to a Dr. in Germany. So my PhD from Australia was automagically made a "Dr. rer. nat." in all documents at the place I work at (a state owned "technische Hochschule"). But in the end the content of the thesis is the important part when it comes to jobs in academia (at least I hope so). Felony: http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/132a.html say "up to one year" in the slammer. But this will depend drastically on circumstances. With a fake medical doctor they will find additional chainsaws to gently screw you with. Best, jj (*) that's what I been told, cannot name it, but see http://www.kmk.org/wissenschaft-hochschule/internationale-hochschulangelegen....
At 03:15 PM 3/5/2015, Warren D Smith wrote:
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=...
claims that 50000 fake PhDs, but only 40000 real ones, are issued each year in the USA.
It does not really matter as long a there are clear rules of what constitutes a "real" PhD. Using a fake PhD in Germany means taking a substantial lifelong risk. We had several politicians decapitated in the last few years (with "fake" of the second kind: plagiarism). I have seen (genuine) theses so bad that a fake PhD wouldn't be any worse; the years of fractal/chaos hype produced some interesting garbage (in one thesis I have seen, the first page explained that, "because chaos", some deterministic systems are, well, not deterministic; this was one of several errors of the same magnitude, all of them in the first three pages).
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I'm reminded of what Edmund Wilson wrote about the PhD degree, maybe in the 1960s. He described it as a "German atrocity" that should have been abolished after WWI as part of the treaty of Versailles. On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Joerg Arndt <arndt@jjj.de> wrote:
* Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com> [Mar 06. 2015 15:01]:
When MIT asked me if I wanted a PhD or an ScD, I asked what the difference was.
Apparently in Europe, a PhD isn't considered as good as an ScD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science
I was told that falsely claiming an ScD in Germany was a felony.
I never verified this. Perhaps someone here knows?
There is(*) a treaty between the US, Canada, Australia, Japan, and Germany (and perhaps other nations, possibly all in the EU) which makes a PhD from all those nations equivalent to a Dr. in Germany. So my PhD from Australia was automagically made a "Dr. rer. nat." in all documents at the place I work at (a state owned "technische Hochschule").
But in the end the content of the thesis is the important part when it comes to jobs in academia (at least I hope so).
Felony: http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/132a.html say "up to one year" in the slammer. But this will depend drastically on circumstances. With a fake medical doctor they will find additional chainsaws to gently screw you with.
Best, jj
(*) that's what I been told, cannot name it, but see
http://www.kmk.org/wissenschaft-hochschule/internationale-hochschulangelegen... .
At 03:15 PM 3/5/2015, Warren D Smith wrote:
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=...
claims that 50000 fake PhDs, but only 40000 real ones, are issued each
year in the USA.
It does not really matter as long a there are clear rules of what constitutes a "real" PhD. Using a fake PhD in Germany means taking a substantial lifelong risk. We had several politicians decapitated in the last few years (with "fake" of the second kind: plagiarism).
I have seen (genuine) theses so bad that a fake PhD wouldn't be any worse; the years of fractal/chaos hype produced some interesting garbage (in one thesis I have seen, the first page explained that, "because chaos", some deterministic systems are, well, not deterministic; this was one of several errors of the same magnitude, all of them in the first three pages).
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