Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God
Andy Latto writes:
There is a sense in which phlogiston exists, because the theory that things are flammable because they contain phlogiston, which is released by burning, exists.
Fred Lunnon writes:
The aether exists because Newtonian mechanics exists, ditto.
We hear a lot about the aether, but how come we never hear about what surely should be called the "naether"? This is the medium that darkness travels through. When a dark-sucker (sometimes called a light-source) sucks dark from a room, the dark has to travel through the naether to get there. See e.g. https://www.msu.edu/user/dynicrai/physics/dark.htm or http://members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/darksucker.html (If any of you know of more definitive web-sources for dark- sucker theory, or the original attribution, please send me this information --- or should I say, please extract this ignorance from me!) Jim
The quantum of darkness is the scoton. Holes don't exist, unless they are black, or are being mobile in semiconductors. Rich PS: There was a long period, ending perhaps in 1920, when the existence of atoms was regarded as questionable: people referred to the Atomic Theory, and discussions of physics or chemistry would implicitly carry along the hypothetical "we can get the right answer by assuming atoms". -----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of James Propp Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:12 AM To: math-fun@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God Andy Latto writes:
There is a sense in which phlogiston exists, because the theory that things are flammable because they contain phlogiston, which is released by burning, exists.
Fred Lunnon writes:
The aether exists because Newtonian mechanics exists, ditto.
We hear a lot about the aether, but how come we never hear about what surely should be called the "naether"? This is the medium that darkness travels through. When a dark-sucker (sometimes called a light-source) sucks dark from a room, the dark has to travel through the naether to get there. See e.g. https://www.msu.edu/user/dynicrai/physics/dark.htm or http://members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/darksucker.html (If any of you know of more definitive web-sources for dark- sucker theory, or the original attribution, please send me this information --- or should I say, please extract this ignorance from me!) Jim _______________________________________________ math-fun mailing list math-fun@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/math-fun
Rich, Your PS raises a question. Are physicists now certain that each atom has an "individual identity" - that is, can we speak of a specific atom on the bottom of your shoe right now, and if so, will the "SAME atom" exist 100 years from now (assuming is hasn't split)? Clark Kimberling -----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Schroeppel, Richard Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:56 PM To: 'math-fun' Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God The quantum of darkness is the scoton. Holes don't exist, unless they are black, or are being mobile in semiconductors. Rich PS: There was a long period, ending perhaps in 1920, when the existence of atoms was regarded as questionable: people referred to the Atomic Theory, and discussions of physics or chemistry would implicitly carry along the hypothetical "we can get the right answer by assuming atoms". -----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of James Propp Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:12 AM To: math-fun@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God Andy Latto writes:
There is a sense in which phlogiston exists, because the theory that things are flammable because they contain phlogiston, which is released
by burning, exists.
Fred Lunnon writes:
The aether exists because Newtonian mechanics exists, ditto.
We hear a lot about the aether, but how come we never hear about what surely should be called the "naether"? This is the medium that darkness travels through. When a dark-sucker (sometimes called a light-source) sucks dark from a room, the dark has to travel through the naether to get there. See e.g. https://www.msu.edu/user/dynicrai/physics/dark.htm or http://members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/darksucker.html (If any of you know of more definitive web-sources for dark- sucker theory, or the original attribution, please send me this information --- or should I say, please extract this ignorance from me!) Jim _______________________________________________ math-fun mailing list math-fun@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/math-fun _______________________________________________ math-fun mailing list math-fun@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/math-fun
I think one of the points of a Bose-Einstein condensate is that the atoms are in fact indistinguishable, so the number of quantum states is astronomically less than if the atoms have individual identity. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Kimberling, Clark <ck6@evansville.edu>wrote:
Rich,
Your PS raises a question. Are physicists now certain that each atom has an "individual identity" - that is, can we speak of a specific atom on the bottom of your shoe right now, and if so, will the "SAME atom" exist 100 years from now (assuming is hasn't split)?
Clark Kimberling
-----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Schroeppel, Richard Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:56 PM To: 'math-fun' Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God
The quantum of darkness is the scoton.
Holes don't exist, unless they are black, or are being mobile in semiconductors.
Rich
PS: There was a long period, ending perhaps in 1920, when the existence of atoms was regarded as questionable: people referred to the Atomic Theory, and discussions of physics or chemistry would implicitly carry along the hypothetical "we can get the right answer by assuming atoms".
-----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of James Propp Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:12 AM To: math-fun@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God
Andy Latto writes:
There is a sense in which phlogiston exists, because the theory that things are flammable because they contain phlogiston, which is released
by burning, exists.
Fred Lunnon writes:
The aether exists because Newtonian mechanics exists, ditto.
We hear a lot about the aether, but how come we never hear about what surely should be called the "naether"? This is the medium that darkness travels through. When a dark-sucker (sometimes called a light-source) sucks dark from a room, the dark has to travel through the naether to get there.
See e.g. https://www.msu.edu/user/dynicrai/physics/dark.htm or http://members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/darksucker.html (If any of you know of more definitive web-sources for dark- sucker theory, or the original attribution, please send me this information --- or should I say, please extract this ignorance from me!)
Jim
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Thanks, Allan So this leaves a question about other indistinguishabilities: are some SUBatomic particles distinguishable? If not, is anything smaller than a molecule distinguishable? (I'm assuming that there are molecules that retain distinguishability for at least a month.) (Since this thread has a theological twist, are the "inhabitants" of "heaven", like atoms, indistinguishable? While those "located" elsewhere retain enough individuality to feel pain?) Clark -----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Allan Wechsler Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:39 PM To: math-fun Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God I think one of the points of a Bose-Einstein condensate is that the atoms are in fact indistinguishable, so the number of quantum states is astronomically less than if the atoms have individual identity. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Kimberling, Clark <ck6@evansville.edu>wrote:
Rich,
Your PS raises a question. Are physicists now certain that each atom has an "individual identity" - that is, can we speak of a specific atom on the bottom of your shoe right now, and if so, will the "SAME atom" exist 100 years from now (assuming is hasn't split)?
Clark Kimberling
-----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Schroeppel, Richard Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:56 PM To: 'math-fun' Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God
The quantum of darkness is the scoton.
Holes don't exist, unless they are black, or are being mobile in semiconductors.
Rich
PS: There was a long period, ending perhaps in 1920, when the existence of atoms was regarded as questionable: people referred to the Atomic Theory, and discussions of physics or chemistry would implicitly carry along the hypothetical "we can get the right answer by assuming atoms".
-----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of James Propp Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:12 AM To: math-fun@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [math-fun] math, existence, and God
Andy Latto writes:
There is a sense in which phlogiston exists, because the theory that things are flammable because they contain phlogiston, which is released
by burning, exists.
Fred Lunnon writes:
The aether exists because Newtonian mechanics exists, ditto.
We hear a lot about the aether, but how come we never hear about what surely should be called the "naether"? This is the medium that darkness travels through. When a dark-sucker (sometimes called a light-source) sucks dark from a room, the dark has
to travel through the naether to get there.
See e.g. https://www.msu.edu/user/dynicrai/physics/dark.htm or http://members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/darksucker.html (If any of you know of more definitive web-sources for dark- sucker theory, or the original attribution, please send me this information --- or should I say, please extract this ignorance from me!)
Jim
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Allan Wechsler writes:
I think one of the points of a Bose-Einstein condensate is that the atoms are in fact indistinguishable, so the number of quantum states is astronomically less than if the atoms have individual identity.
This explains why IPv6 addresses are only 128 bits. Hilarie
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