[math-fun] about 10000 numbers, a certain document from M.I. Shamos.
Hello everybody, bonjour à tous, I received an automated notice this morning from Google, this is about a document that a certain Michael I. Shamos produced that contains about 10000 entries on real numbers. The document is available here : http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/shamos.html http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/people/faculty/mshamos/cat.pdf One word : wOW!, now, that's interesting!, Neil, would you agree that we should include these entries into the OEIS ? Best regards, Simon PLOUFFE
No, as a real number : like the other known constants of interest, like pi, 3,1,4,1,5,9,2,6,5,3,5... there is also the possibility of having the continued fraction as well, if it is of interest of course or if someone suspects that it could have one. bonne soirée, have a nice evening, Simon Plouffe Le 08/sept./2011 19:23, Adam P. Goucher a écrit :
Neil, would you agree that we should include these entries into the OEIS ?
As what? Continued fraction expansions?
Sincerely,
Adam P. Goucher
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I have to admit I've always been a bit uneasy with the OEIS entries that give the digits in a "decimal encryption" (as Bill Gosper calls them). First it's always seemed that they really deserve their own database (um, whatever happened to "Plouffe's Inverter"?) that better-respects their true nature as decimal expansions. Another characteristic feature of this data set, not shared by general OEIS entries, is the tight binding between the "unique keys" (ie numbers) and their associated formulas, which are given in a canonical language. Either way, a nice potential feature might be an ability to search on the formulas--say for all expressions involving both pi and e. A few other concerns: * The accuracy of all digits in such entries should be perfect. The OEIS isn't really well-suited to support concepts of "approximate sequence", whereas one expects floating point values to have "fuzz". * And of course the formulas shouldn't be buggy--yet already folks have pointed out errors in this data set. Given these issues I would suggest that rather than blindly uploading the dataset any assimilation be conducted as a systematic project that includes mechanically "compiling" all the formulas and testing (when feasible) the deviance from the values given (presumably producing a bonepile for further editorial inspection). Another thing to evaluate before proceeding would be potential impact on things like superseeker (and its far-future descendants, who I think will ultimately be the majority of the OEIS's user base!). Lists of digits are reasonable targets for direct simple lookups, but they'll mostly just be noise with respect to Mobius transforms, or the like. The 10K new sequences would constitute about 5% of the current OEIS entries. I suppose that might be a tolerable incremental load, both for superseeker and false positives, but what should the policy be in the future if someone generates enough to become 50% of the OEIS, or more? Lastly, returning to the formula data, another more "traditional" way to augment the OEIS might be to sift through the formulas (mechanically I presume) and somehow determine if they implicitly incorporate integer sequences, such as for various flavors of generating functions. These could be automatically cross-checked against the OEIS and added if new, and the entries supplemented not only with numerical values but also with references, additional formulas, and so forth.
="Simon Plouffe" <simon.plouffe@gmail.com>
No,
as a real number : like the other known constants of interest, like pi, 3,1,4,1,5,9,2,6,5,3,5...
there is also the possibility of having the continued fraction as well, if it is of interest of course or if someone suspects that it could have one.
bonne soirée, have a nice evening, Simon Plouffe
Le 08/sept./2011 19:23, Adam P. Goucher a écrit :
Neil, would you agree that we should include these entries into the OEIS ?
As what? Continued fraction expansions?
Sincerely,
Adam P. Goucher
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