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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Mark Reed) 2. Re: Wolfgang's message (Oh Jay) 3. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Pat Slade) 4. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Enrique Correa) 5. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Oh Jay) 6. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Oh Jay) 7. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Oh Jay) 8. Re: Gozilla x Ultraman (Oh Jay) 9. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Oh Jay) 10. Detroit '98 Kraftwerk concert poster (resend) (Thomas, Drew) 11. Re: Re: Wolfgang (Rob Evans) 12. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Oh Jay) 13. Another Kraftwerk Tribute CD (Klaus Zaepke) 14. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Klaus Zaepke) 15. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Enrique Correa)
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Message: 1 From: "Mark Reed" <gentle.anarchist@virgin.net> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:37:24 +0100 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with being homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic.
And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke.
Goddamit I'm uptight!
M
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1@hotmail.com> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
Well Oh Jay, Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk Matten is a homosexual. You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and obvious remark. As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my sexuality I know full well what this feels like. Should Dirk sue the homophobic bastard for every euro he has got?
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Message: 2 From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: <DrewThomas@ClearChannel.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Wolfgang's message Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:54:58 +0200 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
From: "Thomas, Drew" <DrewThomas@ClearChannel.com>
I'm about tired of these whiny former members of bands who curse the very vehicle that drove them to success in the FIRST place!
[ blah ... blah ... blah ... lots of lines of pretty mindless & utterly unimportant rant was edited out here , because of its annoyance !!! :-/ ]
dear thomas ,
HOW_STUPID can somebody be & actually quote A_WHOLE_DIGEST_??? *grim* :-/
oh ... & thanx a lot for includin' all your pretty (un)important personal "stuff" below !!! ;-) WHO_DO_U_WANT_TO_IMPRESS with that , eh ??? :-o i surely DON'T give a FAQ , who u are ... or think that u are !!! :-/
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imho , your whole reply was NOTHIN'_BUT_UTTER_RUBBISH_!!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... WELCOME_TO_MY_PERSONAL_KILLFILES , thomas !!! ;-)
goodbye !!!
oh jay
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Message: 3 From: "Pat Slade" <pslade99@hotmail.com> To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:56:41 -0400 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
I also did not take his remark as homophobic. There was so much discussion about photos, so I would have made the same exact remark!
I, for one, was delighted to see a post from Wolfgang. I don't think I've ever been on a list that a band member has posted on, and it was an opportunity to hear from an artist from a most amzing band.
Thank you Wolfgang and to Klaus for facilitating this message.
pat
From: "Mark Reed" <gentle.anarchist@virgin.net> Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:37:24 +0100
I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with being homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic.
And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke.
Goddamit I'm uptight!
M
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1@hotmail.com> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
Well Oh Jay, Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk Matten is a homosexual. You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and obvious remark. As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my sexuality I know full well what this feels like. Should Dirk sue the homophobic bastard for every euro he has got?
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Message: 4 From: Enrique Correa <ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com> To: 'KW' <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:03:19 -0700 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
Wolfgang wrote:
You in U.S. seem to be especially inhibited there, aren't you?
Eric Gartner impeccably answered:
That's a terrible stereotype, Wolfgang! The USA is a large and diverse place...
I couldn't agree with you more!
Rick Jansen (from rja@euronet.nl, wherever that might be) wrote:
No. Can't you just shut up if you have nothing to say? Fluer is absolutely right in my opinion, the amount of babble is astonishing at times. [...]
Rob Evans answered:
That is a very American response, if you don't mind me saying. You think only certain people should be entitled to speak.
Talking about stereotypes... I don't agree with you. Freedom of speech is one of the many freedoms the Bill of Rights gives people in our Constitution. As a matter of fact, everyone in the world should be entitled to their opinion, even dear old Wolfgang. Don't agreeing with it is another thing, but at least voices should be heard without restrictions. Come to think of it, you had more troubles in this list with European members than with Americans, am I correct? Same with Wolfgang, but then again, he doesn't miss a chance to throw a poisoned arrow to this side of the world... (read the first sentence of this e-mail).
oh jay wrote:
fyi : if i would be the owner or moderator of this list , i would IMMEDIATELY ban u FOR_A_LIFETIME from this list
Rest my case. 1984 will make a good reading if you haven't already. If you want to play Big Brother, go live in Cuba or some'. Please let freedom flow at ease in here and try to stay away from agitating peoples feelings if you can. Thank you.
Wolfgang wrote:
This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page [...]
Klaus Zaepke, do you agree with him? I know you don't.
Dirk answered:
I got this from Ralf & Florian AND Conny Plank, perhaps these persons don't tell the truth. Sorry, if I was wrong.
For what I can tell, Ralf and Florian only want people to see what they want to show. Religion and government sure comes to mind, but that's a whole different issue... or is it? Do as I say, not as I do...
Thomas, Drew wrote:
I'm about tired of these whiny former members of bands who curse the very vehicle that drove them to success in the FIRST place! Hey Wolf, if it wasn't for Kraftwerk you'd be a nobody; DEAL with it! Don't blame Kraftwerk because nobody bought in to your whole Yamo thing.
Speaking of whiners, dear Tom... I don't think Wolfie tries to blame anything on anybody, all he did in his book is show the other side of the band, the human side, the side Ralf and Florian want to hide from the public eye. Also, he wanted to set the record straight; he told the world where some credits truly belong. I'm pretty sure you'd be pissed if somebody else takes credit for one of your ideas. Not everyone reacts the same. You probably won't care, and I respect that. He wrote a book about it, and I respect that too. Is that too hard to understand? Thankfully, the judge on this case got it right, and gave Wolfie a pad on the back, instead of a fine.
Enrique
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Message: 5 From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:07:23 +0200 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
From: "Eric Gartner" <kraftwerk@mac.com>
Sounds like the ingredients for a perpetual Kraftwerk flame war... Delicious every minute!
*ROTFLMAO* ;-)))
Even Oh Jay would be left with nothing to say in the face of such epic battles!
fyi : u can be assured , dear eric & ev'rybody else here too that i'll speak up soon ... if there's somethin' to add to this pretty interestin' discussion !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) no matter , who's goin' to like or dislike it or if u love or hate me therefore thereafter !!! *BWG* ;-)))
however ... many greetinx ,
oh jay , who thinks that dear wolfi had the guts to say & write , what ralf & florian were still afraid of ... & therefore they only resorted to sue him ... for most likely tellin' simply THE_TRUTH in his book & elsewhere !!! *sigh* :-o
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Message: 6 From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:16:06 +0200 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
... or the many replies that should be sent privately instead of to the list (Oh Jay!).
Rick Jansen
look , who's talkin' !!! *LOL* ;-))) may i ask u kindly to follow your own "rules" first , before u're goin' to tell others , what to do , dear rick ??? *G+* ;-)
however ... greetinx ,
oh jay , who still ISN'T afraid of replyin' on the list to comments that were also made about him on the list !!! *BWG* ;-)))
p. s. : if u REALLY want to discuss anythin' with me privately , then simply mail me privately !!! ;-) very simple , but also very basic !!! *sly_grin* ;-)
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Message: 7 From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:23:49 +0200 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1@hotmail.com>
Dirk, could you provide a translation of this e-mail from Wolfgang?
better NOT , as this message of wolfi was VERY_CLEARLY a PRIVATE message ONLY to dirki that was sent here surely WITHOUT any permission of its original sender , which is a clear VIOLATION of ANY applicable laws & common netiquette , of which dirki should be deeply ashamed of !!! *sigh* :-o
however ... greetinx ,
oh jay , who supports wolfi & thinks that dirk is still a jerk !!! :-/
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Message: 8 From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Gozilla x Ultraman Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:46:48 +0200 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
From: "Nicolau Centola" <ncentola@terra.com.br>
Yes, we could watch nice battles, like Gozilla x Ultraman and some other delicious battles. Please bring the popcorn and beers....
hm ... isn't is somehow interestin' to see the same person , who once condemned ALL "flame wars" or "battles" here , by now openly welcomes them ... as long as HE isn't involved in it & can sit back , relax & drink his beer & munch his popcorn ??? *slyest_grin* ;-)))
oh well ... sometimes the "virtual" world is becomin' even "stranger than fiction" !!! *G+* ;-)
however ... many greetinx ,
oh jay , who's the "impudence" ( once again ;-) to take the position of "spiderman" in this web ... err ... debate !!! *hehehe* ;-)))
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Message: 9 From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:56:15 +0200 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1@hotmail.com>
Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk Matten is a homosexual.
*LOL* ;-))) that's A_LOAD_OF_UTTER_RUBBISH & only due to such a bad translation of whoever FAILED to accurately translate wolfi's PRIVATE message to dirki here !!! *sigh* :-o
You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and obvious remark.
nope , NOT_AT_ALL , because I_KNOW & understand wolfi's german sense of humor VERY_WELL , dear rob !!! *slyest_grin* ;-)))
As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my sexuality I know full well what this feels like.
HUH_??? *indeed_somehow_very_puzzled_look* :-o what the heck are u talkin' about here , rob ??? :-o i really DON'T get your twist in this case , sorry mate !!! *sigh* :-o
Should Dirk sue the homophobic bastard for every euro he has got?
well ... that particular sentence surely ISN'T even worth a reply from me !!! :-/
however ... greetinx ,
oh jay , who's actually quite happy that he can understand german & english !!! *G+* ;-)
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Message: 10 From: "Thomas, Drew" <DrewThomas@ClearChannel.com> To: "'kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com'" <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Kraftwerk] Detroit '98 Kraftwerk concert poster (resend) Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
Does anyone know if there were ever any concert posters made for Kraftwerk's Detroit '98 concert? I've checked ebay and at klingklang but no luck. Thanks for your help in advance!
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Message: 11 From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1@hotmail.com> To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:13:34 +0100 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with being homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic.
And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke.
Goddamit I'm uptight!
It is very difficult to tell jokes in e-mails unless they are explained. It is possible that the entire e-mail was light-hearted, but more likely that it was a threatening e-mail, therefore I doubt if that is a joke at the end of it, that would make no sense.
I am not homophobic, I am very liberal.
Rob.
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Message: 12 From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay@freenet.de> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:25:11 +0200 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
From: "Enrique Correa" <ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com>
1984 will make a good reading if you haven't already.
i have already !!! ;-)
If you want to play Big Brother, go live in Cuba or some'.
why should i ??? ;-) fyi : i only told dirki EXPLICITLY what i think about him & his VERY_PITIFUL (re)actions here ... & btw : removin' & bannin' trolls & troublemakers like him , who are very obviously ONLY interested in shameless self-promotion , PURE_LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION is THE_GIVEN_RIGHT of ev'ry responsible & reasonable list owner & moderator , of which this list sadly has NONE_!!! *very_deep_sigh* :-o
Please let freedom flow at ease in here
oh yeah ... "the freedom of LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION" !!! *grim* :-/ i'm really sorry mate , but if u indeed support that kind of "freedom" here , u better go & see a shrink ASAP & take your medication RIGHT_NOW_!!! *sigh* :-o
and try to stay away from agitating peoples feelings if you can. Thank you.
fyi : the person , who started all this mindless rubbish here was nobody else than dirki & to tell u the truth ... i surely WON'T stay away from criticizin' him UNTIL_HE_STOPS to spread his PURE_LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION here !!! PERIOD_!!! if u don't get this , mate ... it's your very own problem , sorry !!! :-/ people should FINALLY see & understand , where the borders between some funny banterin' & some pitiful LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION were crossed & CHASTISE those , who are GUILTY of this NOT_AT_ALL funny VIOLATION of laws , terms of service & common netiquette !!! *sigh* :-o THANK_U_!!!
oh jay , who's really "NOT amused" about how narrow-minded some people here seem to be , when it comes to seein' & also ACCEPTIN' the FACTS_!!! *very_deep_sigh* :-o
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Message: 13 From: "Klaus Zaepke" <Klaus.Zaepke@gmx.net> To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:25:03 +0000 Subject: [Kraftwerk] Another Kraftwerk Tribute CD Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
I think this one hasn't been mentioned here before?:
"The Radioactive Tribute To Kraftwerk" CD, Wagram Music, New Mantra, 3075002, WAG 329, NM020302 01. The Robots (Senor Coconut) 5:07" 02. The Model (Hikashu) 3:08" 03. Computer Love (Teruo Nakano) 4:09" 04. Dentaku (Tsukuba Mix) 4:53" 05. Showroom Dummies (Senor Coconut) 5:30" 06. Taschenrechner (Dhiva) 3:56" 07. Music non stop (re M.N.S.) (Hajime Fukuma (P-Model)) 5:49" 08. Radio Activity (Hikashu) 7:10" 09. Atem/Harmonika (Kimitaka Matsumae) 3:08" 10. Tour de France (Dhiva vs. Skibby) 2:56" 11. Europe Endless (including Franz Schubert and Neon Lights) (Makato Inoue) 4:20" 12. It's More Fun To Compute (Takkyu Ishino Tachano Funk) 7:37" 13. Trans Europa Express (Senor Coconut) 5:56" 14. Autobahn (Buffalo Daughter) 7:53"
Klaus Zaepke
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Message: 14 From: "Klaus Zaepke" <Klaus.Zaepke@gmx.net> To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:25:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
Nicolau Centola wrote:
A nice idea could be Mr. Fl=FCr be included in our list. Yes, I know maybe he wouldn't like to make public his address, but he could create another electronic address, as a free one like Yahoo or Hotmail, just to post and receive our messages. It would be fantastic if we could have his points of view about our favourite band, don't you think? Klaus, you could give this idea to him...
I already suggested this as an alternative for forwarding his message, but he didn't like the idea.
Eric Gartner wrote:
This would be intriguing, and it would be very useful to have Wolfgang as a point of reference for some of the questions that occasionally arise. Of course, he may have better ways to spend his time...
Yes, that was the reason...
Enrique Correa wrote:
Wolfgang wrote: This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page [...]
Klaus Zaepke, do you agree with him? I know you don't.
Er, let me put it this way: I believe that he wrote everything in his book in good faith.
Klaus Zaepke
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Message: 15 From: Enrique Correa <ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com> To: 'KW' <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:44:49 -0700 Reply-To: kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com
I wrote:
Please let freedom flow at ease in here
oh jay answered:
oh yeah ... "the freedom of LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION" !!! *grim* :-/ i'm really sorry mate , but if u indeed support that kind of "freedom" here [...]
I support freedom period and saying what you think and believe in, is a big part of it. Wolfgang and Dirk have their own believes and they are entitled to express them freely, as long as they don't step into forbidden territory, everything should be OK. I know there's a fine line between what should be allowed or not, and since we are all mature people here, the right to decide what's legitimate to say or not should be left at the speakers will, agree?
I feel extremely lucky to be in a position where I can read Wolfgang's and Dirk's believes. I might agree with them or not, but hey that's not the point here. The point is letting people express themselves, whether they are right or not, in fact Dirk even said here: "I got this from Ralf & Florian AND Conny Plank, perhaps these persons don't tell the truth. Sorry, if I was wrong ..." so you see, even he can admit the possibility of making a mistake.
I know Dirk and Wolfgang are both thankful at having a chance to express themselves here. oh jay, please don't try to take away the very thing that makes a discussion list like this one a valuable one.
u better go & see a shrink ASAP & take your medication RIGHT_NOW_!!! [...]
Boy, you sure know how to stir up people's nerves. If I keep reading your hostile posts, I might end up taking some sort of medication after all. Just kidding (...felt like I had to point that out :-)
Enrique
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