hi y' all ! well ... first of all i like to sincerely apologize to enrique correa & all those of u - EXCEPT this amir guy , kevin busby , rick jansen & oliver ruehl !!! - , who i may have insulted with what i recently wrote here or to u in a private mail !!! *utmost_honest_look* to amir , kevin & rick i can only say that they are in my personal killfiles & that they'll stay there as long as THEY won't apologize FIRST for what they've said to me here !!! btw : if u indeed like to apologize to me first , i'll most likely also apologize to u then & call it a day !!! to reach my inbox , u can send a message from a new or not known addy to me , because the addies that i know & have of u are ALL actively killfiled , which means that NONE of those messages will EVER reach my inbox & therefore simply WON'T be read !!! okay then ... i like to explain some things to y' all right now !!! i think that enrique & i have already made our peace with each other , which makes me indeed VERY_HAPPY , as i see by now that he's A_HONEST_MAN , who seems to think much deeper than the aforementioned other 4 individuals about some things & i suppose that we understand each others concerns by now !!! *indeed_very_happy_&_also_confident_smile* :-))) georgie asked :

Huuuh - what I would find a bit, let's say, interesting: what is "THE TRUTH" and what are "PLAIN FACTS"? And who tells us how look the "PLAIN FACTS" like and where we have to find "THE TRUTH"?

WOW_!!! >:-O these are indeed some VERY_IN-DEPTH questions , so i like to answer them as good as i can !!! *sincerest_look* "PLAIN_FACTS" are those facts that u can PROVE_WITHOUT_A_DOUBT , because there are VARIOUS_RELIABLE_SOURCES "out there" , who give u the exact same info about / answer to your question(s) !!! in case of the true history of hip hop , jus' go to the zulunation website @ http://www.zulunation.com & then VERIFY all the info from that site with other reliable sources , to finally find out that those info is TRUE & can be seen or looked @ as "PLAIN_FACTS" in this specific case !!! i know very well that it's indeed pretty hard to find some good & reliable sources to actually PROVE some info - especially when it comes to the sometimes still highly enigmatic history of our favorite group KRAFTWERK_!!! :-o ... & before anybody asks "what is a reliable source for u & how do u prove their reliability then ???" , i'll answer this question too in advance !!! *sly_grin* ;-) a RELIABLE_SOURCE becomes jus' that , when ALL the info that comes from it can be PROVEN & also VERIFIED by other - INDEPENDENT_!!! - sources , which might be hard in certain cases , but not necessarily impossible ... not even in the case of kw !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) "THE_TRUTH" is ALWAYS based on the "PLAIN_FACTS" that u've researched by VERIFYIN' various RELIABLE_SOURCES to finally PROVE the info that u've got as VALUABLE_&_TRUE_!!! sure , things can also be TRUE , if u aren't always able to verify them with reliable info from various reliable sources , but in this case it's simply better to say "IN_MY_HUMBLE_OPINION" first , before anybody takes this info for granted & as 100% proven right !!! ;-) that's why i like to say "THE_TRUTH is out there ... u jus' have to find the info to prove it !!!" *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) so ***_INFORMATION_*** that comes from VARIOUS_RELIABLE_SOURCES & can be PROVEN_RIGHT in ALL cases is the ONLY way to gain "PLAIN_FACTS" & to finally find "THE_TRUTH"_!!! i sincerely hope that this answeres your questions , dear georgie !?

I'm a list-member since ca. 5 years now, but it's getting more and more uncomfortable here. Sorry.

i can understand u all too well !!! *very_deep_sigh* :-o especially , when i see that from time to time people like this amir guy comes along ONLY to stir up trouble on this list again & when there's NO_MODERATOR to control people like him !!! :-/ this is EXACTLY the situation that i'll CONSTANTLY criticise ... UNTIL_IT_WILL_BE_CHANGED ... FINALLY_&_FOREVER_!!! PERIOD_!!!

BTW, why did you change your idendity / pseudonym?

to tell u the truth , i've INDEED left this list COMPLETELY after i've sent out my last message as oh jay in early may !!! i've told this to a few friends ... & also to kevin busby , which most likely was a big fault of mine , as i see it by now !!! :-/ then i've rejoined the list later under my "..::=|X|=::.." pseudonym & hoped to stay UNKNOWN & "UNIDENTIFIED" , because i jus' wanted to keep a low profile & have ONLY joined the list again to state some facts , like i did as i simply quoted the info from kevin's FAQ in the case of "zehn kleine negerlein" & as i later stated some facts about the true history of hip hop & the connection between kw & hip hop , which i've simply based on a reliable source like the zulunation site & my own interviews that i've once done with people like kool dj herc & grandmaster flash in 1991 in new york city !!! but then this amir guy came along & tried to ridicule me with his PLAIN_NONSENSE ( which is the opposite of PLAIN_FACTS_!!! ;-) & even kevin busby thought that it might be funny to expose my new pseudonym on this list , which i took indeed VERY_SERIOUSLY & as a personal insult & i jus' quit my "virtual" friendship with him after it , as this "incident" clearly indicated for me , what kind of MALICIOUS character he really is !!! *deeply_saddened_sigh* :-o well ... i fought back for some time , but i jus' saw HOW_AIMLESS it can be , if people like this amir guy & also kevin & some others are simply NOT_ABLE or NOT_WILLIN' to understand some VERY_BASIC things & FACTS_!!! :-/ then i decided to change my pseudonym again , ONLY to promote the kraftwerkfans group @ yahoo! & try to convince people to join that group & possibly leave this list instead !!! maybe that was also a fault of me then ... however !!! :-o btw : i also like to change my pseudonyms from time to time to get out of some people's killfiles , which is ALWAYS a very simple & also pretty effective way indeed !!! *hehehe* ;-))) but by now i'm ONLY on this list under my best known nickname ( which simply ISN'T a pseudonym , as it stands for the initials of my REAL name olaf juerss !!! ;-) oh jay !!! *G+* ;-) fyi : i'll PERMANENTLY stay on this list as oh jay from now on ... until it gets closed down or until i'll get booted by the owner !!! *BWG* ;-))) THAT'S_"THE_REAL_DEAL" & u simply have to cope with it , fellows !!! *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) any further questions ??? ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - june 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco playlist archive : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/playlists brand new website release soon @ http://www.jointventureradio.net & also http://www.jointventureradio.org *~\^/~*