Well well well, lookie lookie. ;) Cheers, Peo -----Original Message----- From: enquiries@emirecordedmusic.co.uk [mailto:enquiries@emirecordedmusic.co.uk] Sent: den 22 juli 2003 17:56 To: Subject: Fw: Help needed -- questionable legality of a CD Dear Per-Olof Karlsson Thank you for your email. To the best of our knowledge the CD you refer to is not a legal release. Best wishes. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: enquiries@emirecordedmusic.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Help needed -- questionable legality of a CD Dear Sir/Madame, perhaps you can help me finding out the truth about a CD release that's been puzzling me and a couple of friends for quite some time.. I'm talking about a release with Kraftwerk called "Concert Classics", which was released under an American (?) label called Ranch Life, apparently a division of RME Inc. in Franklin, TN, USA. The catalogue number is CRANCH4. The CD states that it's made in England. The insert furthermore states: C 1975, 1998 Kraftwerk and EMI Music Distribution, licensed by Listen Up, Inc., Professional Division. All rights reserved. The question, then, is of course: is this a legal CD, which have been officially licensed by EMI to this company as stated? I somehow strongly doubt that. First of all, there is no mention of Kling Klang, which is Kraftwerk's company as far as I know. Secondly, EMI owns no rights to Kraftwerk material pre-1975 if I'm not mistaken (the Radio-Activity album was the first released on Capitol, back in 1975), and this live CD contains only pre-1975 materials. These two facts alone should prove it a bootleg in my book, but I'd like to be sure. Since this CD is and has been on sale basically everywhere for the past five years it's quite hard to claim it's a bootleg, but at the same time I've never seen or heard any official statements from anybody claiming it IS an official release. Would you be able to confirm or deny its legality? My sincere regards, Per-Olof Karlsson SWEDEN ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system. The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact us on +44 20 7795 7000. This email is from a unit or subsidiary of EMI Group plc. Registered Office: 27 Wrights Lane, London W8 5SW Registered in England No 229231.
At 10:00 PM 7/24/2003 +0200, Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
Well well well, lookie lookie& ;)
Cheers,
Peo
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----- Original Message -----
From: To: <mailto:enquiries@emirecordedmusic.co.uk>enquiries@emirecordedmusic.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Help needed -- questionable legality of a CD
Dear Sir/Madame,
perhaps you can help me finding out the truth about a CD release that's been puzzling me and a couple of friends for quite some time..
I'm talking about a release with Kraftwerk called "Concert Classics", which was released under an American (?) label called Ranch Life, apparently a division of RME Inc. in Franklin, TN, USA. The catalogue number is CRANCH4. The CD states that it's made in England.
The insert furthermore states:
© 1975, 1998 Kraftwerk and EMI Music Distribution, licensed by Listen Up, Inc., Professional Division. All rights reserved.
Back about twenty years ago, when I first began wasting my professional life in the malpractice of law (a career I finally got out of after about 10 years of misery), a seasoned intellectual property lawyer gave me a good rule of thumb that can be used in cases like this: if there's any mention of licensing (as in this CD, "licensed by ...") or royalties ("all statutory royalties paid" was the most common, he said), you may rest assured that the CD or tape in question is a bootleg. Legitimate recordings never mention licensing or payment of royalties. Best, Len Cleavelin -- In the beginning there was nothing. And one day God came down, and still there was nothing. And God said, "Let there be light!" And there was light, and still there was nothing. But by God, you could see it. --Gary Mule Deer
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but I've just found these dates: Karl Bartos Tourneedaten 18.09.2003 Los Angeles [ USA ], The House of Blues 21:00 Uhr 19.09.2003 Chicago [ USA ], The House of House 21:00 Uhr 20.09.2003 San Francisco [ USA ], Cow Palace Collesseum 21:00 Uhr 25.10.2003 Lissabon [ P ], Numero Festival 21:00 Uhr http://www.karsten-jahnke.de/tournee.php3?tour=bartos
Hello to all, Does anybody knows the name of two musicians who accompanish Karl Bartos in his last concerts? Best regards, Marcelo Duarte Dante de Conti http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br Brasil
At 03:43 AM 7/25/2003 +0200, Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" <leonard@cleavelin.net>
Legitimate recordings never mention licensing or payment of royalties.
Except the common phrase "....owned by Kraftwerk under exclusive licence to EMI" of course :-)
Common? I have only seen it on my copy of the "Expo 2000" CD, not on any of my other KW CDs (and had to go back to look at it; never noticed it before). But then again maybe that CD's a bootleg? :-) Interesting development; I wonder if music licenses are going to become as abusive as software licenses have gotten..... Cheers, LRC -- In the beginning there was nothing. And one day God came down, and still there was nothing. And God said, "Let there be light!" And there was light, and still there was nothing. But by God, you could see it. --Gary Mule Deer
Well well well, lookie lookie. ;)
-----Original Message----- From: enquiries@emirecordedmusic.co.uk
To the best of our knowledge the CD you refer to is not a legal release.
----- Original Message -----
I'm talking about a release with Kraftwerk called "Concert Classics", which was released under an American (?) label called Ranch Life, apparently a division of RME Inc. in Franklin, TN, USA. The catalogue number is CRANCH4. The CD states that it's made in England.
But what about the Japanese edition of this album, which was published on Nippon Crown (CRCL-4035)? Nippon Crown doesn't look like a bootleg company - for example, they have also released both Elektric Music albums in Japan, and those were definitely no bootlegs... Also, since this recording appears to be from a radio show, wouldn't it be possible that the licensing rights are owned by the radio station? Klaus Zaepke
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