TdF was released as the first single to Kraftwerk's 1983 album, "Techno pop" Then Ralf got into a serious biking accident, and they had to delay the album. Then Ralf didn't like where Techno pop was going, and they decided to devote time to upgrading Kling Klang studios from analog to digital. They re-did some of the tracks of the "Techno pop" album in digital ("Techno Pop," "Sex Object" are the only ones publicly known), and released it in 1986 as "Electric Cafe." <<<
Weirdest of all, I think, is that despite the upgrades, EC was recorded in analog! Peace.
muziknut2@juno.com wrote:
Then Ralf didn't like where Techno pop was going, and they decided to devote time to upgrading Kling Klang studios from analog to digital. They re-did some of the tracks of the "Techno pop" album in digital ("Techno Pop," "Sex Object" are the only ones publicly known), and released it in 1986 as "Electric Cafe." <<<
Weirdest of all, I think, is that despite the upgrades, EC was recorded in analog! Peace.
That is because Kraftwerk didn't upgrade Kling Klang studios from analog to digital until 1989/90. In 1986 what they do was to record Electric Cafe in a studio in New York city instead of Duesseldorf. DER AUTOMAT ®
That is because Kraftwerk didn't upgrade Kling Klang studios from analog to digital until 1989/90. In 1986 what they do was to record Electric Cafe in a studio in New York city instead of Duesseldorf.
hmmmm.... "electric cafe" wasn't recorded in klingklang??? i think, thats false...
muziknut2@juno.com wrote: Weirdest of all, I think, is that despite the upgrades, EC was recorded in analog! Peace. DER AUTOMAT ® wrote: That is because Kraftwerk didn't upgrade Kling Klang studios from analog to digital until 1989/90. In 1986 what they do was to record Electric Cafe in a studio in New York city instead of Duesseldorf. I'm writing: This is pretty interesting actually.. They upgraded Kling Klang to digital in 1989-90, and at the same time, Kraftwerk died. I guess this can be used as a proof that digital things ain't necessarily good! What happened with The Mix was that the soul of the music vanished (imho), and they've never found their way back to the good old analog magic. They probably never will, blinded by technology and impaired by perfectionism that they are. There's no wonder electronic music was much better in the 70s and 80s. The same can be said about most technology things actually.. As long as you have to be smart and work hard to produce the results, some people manage to turn out works of art, but when every pooper can do something in ten minutes, quality is long gone. This holds true for music, and also for computer hardware and software.. Sure, today's stuff is really advanced and can be used for very nice things, but the old stuff is much more intelligent in a way, especially the software. At least it's a defence for being nostalgic ;) Peo
On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:01:07 +0200 A.D., "Per-Olof Karlsson" <grovsnus72@hotmail.com> carved the following runes about "[Kraftwerk] Analog vs Digital":
What happened with The Mix was that the soul of the music vanished (imho), and they've never found their way back to the good old analog magic. They probably never will, blinded by technology and impaired by perfectionism that they are.
I agree, at least to some extent.
There's no wonder electronic music was much better in the 70s and 80s. The same can be said about most technology things actually.. As long as you have to be smart and work hard to produce the results, some people manage to turn out works of art, but when every pooper can do something in ten minutes, quality is long gone. This holds true for music, and also for computer hardware and software..
I hear ya! If all you've got to do to get "a little melody" is to "press a special key", the crapflood starts and the old pros will get lost in the tech jungle, tweaking and turning the knobs trying to get that perfection to distinct themselves from the rubbish and live up to the expectations they made people have because they once were unique and a source of inspiration. Then again it's quite possible I'm a luddite and have become a grumpy old fart prematurely. :) (BTW, regarding software, check out the site in my .signature)
At least it's a defence for being nostalgic ;)
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Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
There's no wonder electronic music was much better in the 70s and 80s. The same can be said about most technology things actually.. As long as you have to be smart and work hard to produce the results, some people manage to turn out works of art, but when every pooper can do something in ten minutes, quality is long gone. This holds true for music, and also for computer hardware and software.. Sure, today's stuff is really advanced and can be used for very nice things, but the old stuff is much more intelligent in a way, especially the software.
At least it's a defence for being nostalgic ;)
----------------- I don't know about the software, but yes, the music was more inventive, soulful. Has anybody noticed the similarity of Gary Numan's "xxxxxxx" http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A1xkmu3egan1k and Prince's "1999?" http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Ahc851vsjzzva In 1981 "KW-influenced" Numan went in a warmer direction with his music with "Dance;" Two years later Prince went in a more robotic direction with "1999." Things Prince borrowed from Numan's Dance album: 1. His purple theme throughout the album 2. Computer funk synthesizers sound eerily like Numan's! 3. Window shades effect on Numan's cover looks like the same set designer did Prince's shades on the sleeve covers 4. Little Red Corvette influenced by earlier Numan hit Cars from a previous lp. 5. Prince's background chime effects on "Critics" sounds like many of Numan's Dance tunes, over and over. Numan definitely influenced Prince, and KW influenced Numan. amir amir
There's no wonder electronic music was much better in the 70s and 80s.
don´t you think that the reason for what most people like ´the mix´ not that much as the original recordings is that nowadays we are all a bit fed up with this (silly) four to the floor beat? today the electro roots celebrate a great comeback (at least on the dancefloors of germany or europe). and another thought: i remember that, when ´the mix´came out, it sounded clear and crisp and, no discussion, very well engineered. but i remember a friend of mine saying:´that´s what they did! they produced themselves to death. this album is dead!" stay tuned NUC 2001
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Schumacher" <SSchumacher@gmx.de>
don´t you think that the reason for what most people like ´the mix´ not that much as the original recordings is that nowadays we are all a bit fed up with this (silly) four to the floor beat? today the electro roots celebrate a great comeback (at least on the dancefloors of germany or europe).
I don't think there's anything inherently "silly" about the 4/4 beat. I mean, it's been proven to work for over 20 years (or if you want to split hairs, you could argue it goes further back to Motown etc) and it still works like nothing else when it comes to providing energy for a dancefloor. The main word is "work" though, there's nothing clever about it, it just works. As for the electro comeback, I'd say that's more down to trends in music. The current dance music climate is totally obsessed with all things 80s, hence the electro revival. I don't think it's because everyone's fed up with 4/4. That will always be there. Talking about beats that work though, the classic electro beat ain't bad either. Erik
I don't think there's anything inherently "silly" about the 4/4 beat. I mean, it's been proven to work for over 20 years (or if you want to split hairs, you could argue it goes further back to Motown etc) and it still works like nothing else when it comes to providing energy for a dancefloor.
yeah, you´re right, sorry for haven´t make that clear enough. i meant that when i first listened to the mix album i thought ´oh well, nice done guys. there are some interesting new technical tricks, you put the analog songs well to a digital platform. but why a 4 to the floor beat in nearly every song? just to serve the dancefloors?´i´m sorry but i had the feeling, that they served the dancefloor aspect a bit to much and by that killed a lot of the old song´s atmosphere. and this is the reason, that for me this album became boring by now. stay tuned NUC2001
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Schumacher" <SSchumacher@gmx.de>
I don't think there's anything inherently "silly" about the 4/4 beat. I mean, it's been proven to work for over 20 years (or if you want to split hairs, you could argue it goes further back to Motown etc) and it still works like nothing else when it comes to providing energy for a dancefloor.
yeah, you´re right, sorry for haven´t make that clear enough. i meant that when i first listened to the mix album i thought ´oh well, nice done guys. there are some interesting new technical tricks, you put the analog songs well to a digital platform. but why a 4 to the floor beat in nearly every song? just to serve the dancefloors?´i´m sorry but i had the feeling, that they served the dancefloor aspect a bit to much and by that killed a lot of the old song´s atmosphere.
OK, I see your point and I think you're probably right. They definitely killed a lot of atmosphere on that album. Whether the 4/4 beat is entirely to blame though I'm not sure. Erik
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