a final and indeed very serious warning to amir (webmaster@slystone.com)!
"thanks" to omega chance and his reply for bringing the following utter bullshit to my attention: 6/3/02 11:00:14 PM, webmaster@slystone.com wrote:
Kevin Busby wrote:
Never mind Webmaster, he has killfiled all my "addies" too. Woe!
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Anyone who says KW borrowed from hip hop needs a very active killfile.
fact is that i've never said anything like this, but utter idiots like this amir guy (webmaster@slystone.com) are simply way too stupid to ever understand, what i've indeed meant with my postings, concerning the connection between hip hop and kraftwerk! once and for all: hip hop already existed before kraftwerk released their very influential t.e.e. album in 1977, lots of hip hop deejays played t.e.e. and/or sampled that record (like afrika bambaataa in "planet rock") later, and in 1986 kraftwerk returned that favor and took a part of hip hop (beatboxing) as an influence for their "boing boom tschak" opening track for their (rerecorded) album "electric cafe" (formerly "techno-pop"). that's it!
Our brother didn't sign off his last e-mail to me with "brother" or "peace:" Subject: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:18:11 +0200 From: "..::=|X|=::.." <futurelectronx@geekmail.de> To: webmaster@slystone.com
as a matter of fact, the last message that this amir guy unsolicited and without my permission sent to this list was a private message from me that doesn't belong here, but as the attention grabbing bastard that he is, he felt compelled to repost it here, to try to grab even more attention! what a utterly sad bastard he is! shame on him! okay then, if he doesn't stop posting his utter bullshit here, then he'll have to face the bitter consequences of it! that's a promise! (no matter, what you think it is!) to kevin busby: is this what you wanted and what you very obviously needed, you stupid asshole!? to all: be careful with what you'll post in reply to this, as it can (by now!) very easily spawn a very malicious flame war that isn't necessary at all, if this amir guy will finally back down and shut the fuck up! otherwise he (and everybody, who supports him!) will learn it the hard way! that's also a promise! now, it's up to you (all) to keep the peace on this list! ..::=|X|=::..
"..::=|X|=::.." wrote:
fact is that i've never said anything like this, but utter idiots like this amir guy (webmaster@slystone.com) are simply way too stupid to ever understand, what i've indeed meant with my postings, concerning the connection between hip hop and kraftwerk!
--------------- Hip Hop stole, errrr, sampled, uhhh, "borrowed heavily" from KW.
once and for all: hip hop already existed before kraftwerk released their very influential t.e.e. album in 1977, lots of hip hop deejays played t.e.e. and/or sampled that record (like afrika bambaataa in "planet rock") later, and in 1986 kraftwerk returned that favor and took a part of hip hop (beatboxing) as an influence for their "boing boom tschak" opening track for their (rerecorded) album "electric cafe" (formerly "techno-pop"). that's it!
-------------- Ralf took a part of someone's beatbox? I get it, he sampled the samplers! Don't you ever quit?
as a matter of fact, the last message that this amir guy unsolicited and without my permission sent to this list was a private message from me that doesn't belong here, but as the attention grabbing bastard that he is, he felt compelled to repost it here, to try to grab even more attention!
-------------- E-mails about death and dying don't need permission to be reprinted.
what a utterly sad bastard he is! shame on him!
--------------- We knew you'd be back.
okay then, if he doesn't stop posting his utter bullshit here, then he'll have to face the bitter consequences of it! that's a promise! (no matter, what you think it is!)
-------------- The water in your part of Eastern PA needs more chlorine.
to kevin busby: is this what you wanted and what you very obviously needed, you stupid asshole!?
to all: be careful with what you'll post in reply to this, as it can (by now!) very easily spawn a very malicious flame war that isn't necessary at all, if this amir guy will finally back down and shut the fuck up! otherwise he (and everybody, who supports him!) will learn it the hard way! that's also a promise!
-------------- We'll track you down.
now, it's up to you (all) to keep the peace on this list!
..::=|X|=::..
--------------- See you 2 morrow, brother. amir
"..::=|X|=::.." wrote:
in 1986
kraftwerk returned that favor and took a part of hip hop (beatboxing) as an influence for their "boing boom tschak" opening track for their (rerecorded) album "electric cafe" (formerly "techno-pop").
------------------ I just thought about this moronic statement. Didn't KW always delay the last album to *avoid* sounding like a pop band? Every band and their mothers used beat boxes. I remember the percussion on the disco hit "Ring My Bell" in 1979 using it. amir
"..::=|X|=::.." wrote: in 1986
kraftwerk returned that favor and took a part of hip hop (beatboxing) as an influence for their "boing boom tschak" opening track for their (rerecorded) album "electric cafe" (formerly "techno-pop"). that's it!
---------------------- I guess in 1879 Edison returned the favor of inventing the light bulb to Sir Joseph Wilson Swan, who, in 1860, first produced his first experimental light bulb using carbonized paper as a filament. Both men worked independently and got the same results but with a 19 year difference between discoveries.. How can KW "return the favor" of artists who sampled their original TEE and NUMBERS? KW started it all and custom-built their machines. I think Ralf was rather pissed off, and royalty checks were far and in-between for Planet Rock and other tunes. Furthermore, the earliest popular use of a drum machine (not a beat box) was the #1 "Family Affair" in 1971. I guess KW returned the favor in 1977. amir
webmaster@slystone.com schrieb am 05.06.2002 11:23 Uhr MESZ:
Furthermore, the earliest popular use of a drum machine (not a beat box) was the #1 "Family Affair" in 1971.
afaik, the first machine using real (sampled) drum sounds was called "wendel", used on Steely Dan's album "Gaucho" from 1980. what machine was used on the track you mention, or what is the difference between drum machines and beat boxes? (just curious!) jan -- feel free to visit http://www.jan-reetze.de email: dasfestistzuendeaus@yahoo.de _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
wasn't the first electronic-drumsound on the pink floyd "dark side of the moon" album? the drumsolo on "time"??? i have a book about pink floyd... it says that... -------------------------------------- www.network81.com www.arthur-brehm.de www.klanghof.de www.duesselklang.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lord Ruthven" <dasfestistzuendeaus@yahoo.de> To: "Kraftwerk Mailing List" <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] drum machines (was: a final and indeed veryserious warning to amir )
webmaster@slystone.com schrieb am 05.06.2002 11:23 Uhr MESZ:
Furthermore, the earliest popular use of a drum machine (not a beat box) was the #1 "Family Affair" in 1971.
afaik, the first machine using real (sampled) drum sounds was called "wendel", used on Steely Dan's album "Gaucho" from 1980. what machine was used on the track you mention, or what is the difference between drum machines and beat boxes? (just curious!)
jan
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www.network81.com schrieb am 05.06.2002 13:39 Uhr MESZ:
wasn't the first electronic-drumsound on the pink floyd "dark side of the moon" album? the drumsolo on "time"???
let's not mix up the terms. what we can hear on the pink floyd album are ELECTRONIC DRUMS. which means: it's nick mason drumming with real sticks on pads. the drumsound is generated electronically, and the sound is artificial. the "wendel" machine (other sources say "wendal") is a DRUM MACHINE, constructed by roger nichols, and i'm quite sure that this was the first device using *sampled* sounds of *real* drums. the rhythm patterns are programmable. if you listen to the mentioned steely dan album (gaucho), there is no chance to realize that it's no human drummer drumming. (the follow-up "wendel II" can be heard on donald fagen's album "the nightfly".) later on, iirc around 1982, the Linn drum machine was the first drum computer at reasonable price using samples of real drums. the other thing is the RHYTHM MACHINE; in germoney we call them "Klopfgeister" ("knocking ghosts???"). the first time i heard such a thing on a rock album was in 1971 on "tago mago" by can (they used a device made by echolette), but maybe there have been earlier examples somewhere. these devices are electronically generating *drum-like* artificial sounds; the early machines had preset rhythm patterns (then it's sometimes called "rhythm box"), later on they became programmable. this type of machine which is imitating real drums goes back to the "rhythmicon", constructed in the thirties by leon theremin. John McIntyre schrieb am 05.06.2002 17:33 Uhr MESZ:
Arthur Brown's band Kingdom Come was using a Bentley drum machine instead of a human drummer around the time of their 1972 _Journey_ album.
never heard about that manufacturer. anyway, i'm sure it's not a drum machine but a rhythm machine in the above sense. jan -- feel free to visit http://www.jan-reetze.de email: dasfestistzuendeaus@yahoo.de _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Lord Ruthven wrote:
webmaster@slystone.com schrieb am 05.06.2002 11:23 Uhr MESZ:
Furthermore, the earliest popular use of a drum machine (not a beat box) was the #1 "Family Affair" in 1971.
afaik, the first machine using real (sampled) drum sounds was called "wendel", used on Steely Dan's album "Gaucho" from 1980. what machine was used on the track you mention, or what is the difference between drum machines and beat boxes? (just curious!)
----------------- The drum machine used on the #1 hit Family Affair repeated a "toweled-in" cowbell and another percussive instrument simultaneously through the whole song in the background. (I am not totally accurately describing the sound). This percussion effect may have come from a switch on the organ itself. But no top ten pop song ever prominently used it before. amir
.::=|X|=::.. <futurelectronx@geekmail.de> wrote:
what a utterly sad bastard he is!
That's rich. :-D
to kevin busby: is this what you wanted and what you very obviously needed, you stupid asshole!?
Perhaps it's time you asked yourself what _you_ need, and seek help in learning how to get on with other people?
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